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some Q&As Regarding The Hollie Greig ‘Stories’

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/12/2013

some Q&As Regarding The Hollie Greig ‘Stories’

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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18 Responses to
“> A GUEST POST
Collating Much of the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam”
which can be read in its original form at:
CLICK HERE

First may I make it absolutely clear that the post in question was NOT written by me and is a >GUEST POST< by a third party, which I have hosted on my blog in the belief that it is by and large accurate and casts a third party credibility on my belief that due to almost total lack of admissible evidence, lies, distortions, misrepresentation and dishonesty there is absolutely no credible reason to believe the ‘stories’ concocted by Anne MacKie (aka Anne Greig wife of Denis MacKei), the convicted criminal Robert Green, the obsessive Stuart Usher, the discreditted conspiracy theorist Brian Gerrish, the liar and self promoting scoundrel David Icke, the proven liar and pervert Matt Quinn and other charlatans.

I incline to believe that the third party author of the article in question may well rather over egg the belief that the Freemasons underpin the saga that Anne MacKie and her associates concocted but evil as the Freemasons are in some instances, I would contend that the ‘stories’ have been relatively easy for scoundrels to promote in the face of a slow moving and meticulous Public Sector and the desire of many to believe that people are fundamentally honest when in fact it is clear this is not true of those promoting the Hollie Greig scam.

I clearly exhonurate the unfortunate Hollie Greig from any blame in the construction of the scam as it is abundantly clear that she is the victim of both abuse and exploitation by those who have promoted the scam, and clearly she lacks the mental capacity to differentiate between right and wrong, fact and fiction and the grooming and misquoting of her by the scoundrels who surround her.

The conversation started out from the abusive and foul mouthed claim of the odious self styled liars & obfuscators at so called ‘Hollie greig justice’ (stet):

  1. Hollie greig justice said

    13711 words of shite by a maniac


    • Hi,

      this shows all too well the standard of debate of the Hollie Demanda Justice team and their foul mouthed determination to bully the gullible into believing their vile abuse of Hollie Greig is in some way justified.

      The saving grace is that it is clear that due to her mental capacity the unfortunate Hollie is oblivious of how she is being exploited.

      To date there has not been one shred of admissible evidence to support the stories that have so readily justified claims that they are all distortions, lies and inventions.

      Again and again I have challenged the advocates of the Hollie Greig fantasy to open, free, fair and decent debate – having published every document which they had quoted they were left only with issuing death threats and abuse to try to protect their implausible stories and then finally devote themselves to hacking the Hollie Greig Stolen Kids site to remove the facts that had clearly exposed their lies.

      Even to this day they dare not provide the documents that were published on the site and to protect their story, paedophiles and their own risible claims they publish lies and vile childish drivel to seek to defame those seeking the truth and exposing their dishonesty.

      Fortunately the Courts, police and media have the measure of their evil behaviour and have largely acted accordingly.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

  2. js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

    no what it shows is a pithy and accurate critique of 13700 words of utter drivel


    • Hi,

      so just to prove my point someone calling himself Jon Stevenson turns up with more abuse – Not a fact to back his claim just an unpleasant and abusive manner, so very common amongst those desperately trying to keep the Hollie Greig fantasies afloat.

      Do note that to date not one single shred of admissible evidence around which a legal case could begin to be built has ever been produced in support of the ‘stories’ being peddled about Hollie Greig.

      Just abuse and malicious lies and bullying of anyone who dares to show that the entire story is founded on lies, distortion and fantasy. Unable to support the stories with anything approaching a plausible presentation of facts and admissible evidence the only route they seem able to take is to lie and try to defame those providing the facts that show the entire issue to be little more than a deliberate and criminal scam.

      I am the first to admit that to start with I was trusting enough to have been taken in by the lies of Anne Greig and Robert Green and tried to help them by setting up a blog site at their request, as a part of the Stolen Kids effort to expose paedophiles and the secret family Courts.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

  3. PY said [JonStevenson42]

    yet ye still NAME them ,bully boy


    • Hi,

      Jon Stevenson’s comment is sadly fairly unintelligible – however if he posts again without being abusive or attempting to defame when he feels better in the morning possibly he will make more sense!

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

      • pyrite said [JonStevenson42]

        So WHY do you illegally name the accused and the abused on this blog,simple question?


      • Hi,

        were you to spend more time reading the facts presented on this archive of facts you might have read, on many occasions, the answer to your question.

        May I suggest you put more effort into establishing the facts and appreciating that there is absolutely zero admissible evidence to support the stories surrounding Hollie Greig and claims of her abuse by anyone other than Anne Greig, Robert Green and those who join with them in seeking to exploit her nor of claims that the death of her Uncle Roy was anything other than suicide.

        Let us not forget that as I was originally providing the web site for Anne Greig and later on for Robert Green I received the cop[ies of ALL the evidence they were able to provide – including the autopsy report and death certificate of Roy Greig.

        Also I was provided with the original list of those claimed to have sexually abused Hollie Greig and her supposed co-victims.

        I did not publish the list at the time however I did publish it AFTER Stuart Usher and Robert Green printed it out and distributed it at a public meeting organised by Stuart Usher in Edinburgh.

        I was wrong to have done so and had, like many subsequently, been duped by Anne Greig & Robert Green and their lies, which were made with such conviction that they seemed plausible and trustingly I foolishly believed them.

        As soon as I was certain there was not a shred of admissible evidence of any credible nature I gave Anne Greig & Robert Green due warning that if they were unable or unwilling to provide the evidence they kept claiming they had I would have no opption but to denounce them as at best delusional but more likely self sertving liars.

        No credible evidence was EVER forthcoming and I duely appologised to any who my gullibility had harmed and clearly stated that there was absolutely no case to answer based upon the original fantasies I had been foolish enough and trusting enougjh to believe.

        May I suggest Mr. Stevenson, if that is your real name and not some cowardly nom de plume, that you run along and check out the facts and hopefully you will have the intelligence to appreciate that you too were lied to and duped and hopefully you will have the integrity and ethical foundations to admit your errors and apologise to those you have so stridently and falsely berated.

        Perhaps you will have the courage to denounce those who had, like you, so offensively lied and sought to defame.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.

  4. Sharon Ann Zaki said


    Just to expand on Greg’s comments, it has to be said that he gives EVERYONE a right of reply on his comments section. He’s even generous enough to allow you ‘Hollie Greig Justice’ fraudsters a say. The same cannot be said about you. I tried to post a comment on the HGJ blog http://holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-hollie-hoax-squad-call-in-the-team.html but was blocked. All I was trying to say was: “Tell me, spawns of Satan, what price for selling your soul? How do you lot sleep at night?” The numpties did respond to my non-existent comment!: “SHAZZER DO YE REALLY THINK WE WOULD LET A LOW GRADE NUT CASE LIKE YOU COMMENT LOL! YOU ARE THE BRIDE OF SATAN!”

    What unbelievably pathetic creatures these charlatans are.

    • Hi,

      naturally I publish the questions and comments of those who write to me or this blog on this matter – for as long as they are not merely offensive, foulmouthed or abusive and if they provide their identity.

      Without PROOF of a genuine identity I do however reserve the right to NOT publish the comments of some.

      The aim of this blog is both as an archive and to provide such facts as can be delivered regarding the Hollie Greig ‘STORIES’ and the fantasies surrounding her uncle’s suicide.

      I have always been willing to discuss the matter with anyone who is willing to discuss the issues in a calm, polite and logical manner based on both opinion and provable facts.

      I appreciate that the claims surrounding Hollie Greig have attracted some of the most evil of individuals and the gutter sweepings of society hell bent on defaming anyone who dares to hold an opinion they wish to found on facts and admissible evidence.

      Consider the lies and fantasies of scum like David Icke, Belinda McKenzie, Matt Quinn, George McKendrick, Ian Milne, Brian Gerrish, Paul Drockton, Robert Green, Jon Stevenson, Ian Ferran and the many other low lifes who have crawled out from the sewers of society to exploit the unfortunate Hollie Greig.

      I publish the incoming comments as all too often the truth is best exposed by observing the style, stridency, abuse and belligerency of those seeking to promote or defend lies!

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

  5. js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

    So you continue to name the victims and the accused,despite the fact that its ILLEGAL and immoral ?

    • js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

      No you do not Greg as for the other commentator I have no idea what she is talking about

      • js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

        Who is Ian Milne? You really don’t inspire confidence when you don’t get these poor peoples names wrong.

      • Hi,

        yet again Jon Stevenson you presume to criticise and seek to denigrate yet never5 have you put forward any sound admissible evidence that could sustain a prosecution in support of your apparent fantasies regarding Hollie Greig and her uncle who clearly committed suicide whilst inebriated and under suspension from his job whilst being investigated regarding criminality at his place of work.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.


      • Hi,

        yes indeed Jon Stevenson I have noticed that you have difficulty comprehending both facts and comments that do not agree with your unsubstantiable beliefs regarding the Hollie Greig ‘Stories’.

        The failure to produce convincing or admissible evidence to support your stories seem consistent yet you presume endlessly to try, in desperation, to denigrate any discussion of the facts and the lack of provenance of the Hollie Greig stories.

        Let us not forget that having spoken to Hollie Greig on a number of occasions I am able to testify that her comprehension skills are only surpased by her lack of communication skills – leading to the sustainable belief that her speech and comprehension skills are as those of a small child – at times as low as three and sometimes arguably those of a 9 or 10 year old.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.

    • Hi,

      yet again Jon Stevenson I note you seek to impose your views and criticise the actions of others in promotion of your rather more obvious lack of morality and arguable criminality in repeatedly endeavouring to promote the discreditted claims of Robert Green, Stuart Usher, Anne Greig and others who promote the discreditted stories of the sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and the death of her uncle Roy regardless of the fact that there is zero admissible evidence to support the stories.

      Moat and Beam spring to mind.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

      • PY said [JonStevenson42]

        No I understand what you are about,did you admit that it is Illegal for you to name the accused and the allegedly abused children,it really is a very simple question requiring of you a yes or no answer.

        You surely are seeking through your blog imposing your viewpoint ,otherwise,why bother

      • Hi,

        to deal with your repetitive comments and obdurate refusal to accept facts Jon Stevenson:
        You state:
        ‘No I understand what you are about,’
        Clearly you haven’t a clue or you would not need to keep asking the most simplistic of questions.

        Such as:
        ‘did you admit that it is Illegal for you to name the accused and the allegedly abused children,it really is a very simple question requiring of you a yes or no answer.’
        Since you are clearly crano rectally retentive be advised I am under absolutely no obligation to respond to your tedious comments when I have answered same4 within the text of my blog on many occasions. You arrogantly presume to be both judge and jury yet have absolutely zero ability to comprehend either ethics or integrity.

        Having claimed to know in your first sentence exactly why I act as I do you now clearly admit you haven’t a clue – making sopmething of a fool of yourself:
        ‘You surely are seeking through your blog imposing your viewpoint ,’

        Clearly your judgement is completely wrong as I have no desire to impose MY viewpoint – I have acted to provide such facts as I have been able to ascertain, with appropriate evidence for the intelligent ethical reader to appreciate the obscene dishonesty of the exploitation of Hollie Greig by criminals and scoundrells, taking advantage of her mental incapacity and disabilities to further their scurilous ‘stories’ about her life and the sucicide of her5 uncle Roy.

        Having lept repeatedly to inaccurate judgement you ask:
        ‘otherwise,why bother’

        I clearly can not expect someone of your decvuious and deluded mind set to understand why someone might wish to expose those who lie, distort and misrepresent facts in their exploitation and abuse of a isabled victim of their abuse.

        I have presented the facts and set out to present all available factual material for people of integrity to make their own conclusions in this matter – A measure of the vile supporters of the evil misrepresentation deliberately set out to lie about me and others in a dewsperate attempt to defame us and even dishonestly set up web sites to pretend they were myself going so far as to steal the web log of facts which I had presented at http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ to suppress and obfuscate the evidence, the facts and the details surrounding the issue – so that they could continue to criminally and dishonestly continue to exploit Hollie greig and the issues invented surrounding her, for their own perverted and perverse gain.

        Let the facts speak for themselves and the behaviour of the vile exploiters of Hollie Greig and the tissue of lies they have fabricated about her alleged sexual abuse, for which there is no admissible evidence as with the efforts to refute the clear facts of Roy Greig’s suicide.

        Read the entirety of this blog site – seek to have the original http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ reinstated with all the evidence therin presented and apologise for your behaviour and on behalf of the desperate measures taken by you and your fellow travellers to defame and lie about me – Have the integrity to permit intelligent people to read the facts without ‘spin’ or deliberate misrepresentation to draw their own conclusions – as have the courts!

        Your manner, style and behaviour together with your fellow travellers has done more to expose the dishonsty of your position than any presentation of facts I have ever been able to make.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W..

  1. js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

    yet again Jon Stevenson you presume to criticise and seek to denigrate yet never5 have you put forward any sound admissible evidence that could sustain a prosecution

    I didn’t know that was my job!

    • Hi,

      well you had better add that to the list of things you clearly do not know or understand – since you have presumed in your arrogance to assume the role of inquisitor seemingly in an effort to defame to aid those who are abusing and exploiting Hollie Greig as your co-conspirators.

      You are clearly unable to provide evidence of any credibility to support the abusers yet seemingly seek to defame and criticise those who seek to present facts to establish the truth.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

      • js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

        well you had better add that to the list of things you clearly do not know or understand – since you have presumed in your arrogance to assume the role of inquisitor seemingly in an effort to defame to aid those who are abusing and exploiting Hollie Greig as your co-conspirators.

        I asked you a simple question,you seem unable or unwilling to answer.

        Is your publication of the names of the accused and victims not illegal,its not hard?

  2. Hi,

    asking your question again and again displays your duplicitous and obsessive nature, and apparent desperation to try to defame – particularly in the light of the fact that I have answered your question in some detail.

    Try to get over your self importance whilst we come to terms with your duplicity.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.


  3. Hi Greg

    Are you able to post my comment on my behalf i.e. saying that it is from Sharon Ann Zaki. That comment has disappeared into the ether somewhere! I’ve had this problem before with Word Press, when trying to post on other blogs.

    Sharon Ann Zaki’s.comment is:

    For anyone else reading this [other than Greg and the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ desperados] i.e. for the sane, decent folk who are interested in truth, I’ve done another update of my site in response to the 28/12/13 post on the HGJ blog http://www.sharonkilby.co.uk/site/WHY_THE_HG_STORY_MAY_HOLD_THE_KEY_TO_REVEALING_THE_SHILLS.php Scroll about 1/3 of the way down.

    Now, clarification needed. Take a look at the comment from admin on this site http://orderoftruth.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/the-peoples-voice-not-so-much-for-the-people-tpv-thepeoplesvoice-icke-holliegreig/ “For any visitors, we would like to inform you that this idiot troll is posting under the name of Job Stevenson with the name ‘js42uk’ (as you can see from the comments they have made). We have verified that this is not the real Jon Stevenson.” [Presumably the ‘b’ in Job is a typo]. Also see the comment from admin on this site http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7563p310-hollie-greig-the-devastating-fantasies-of-mother-mrs-anne-greig-and-the-lies-of-robert-green-and-belinda-mckenzie “Unfortunately, JS42UK, who definitely is the same individual as HGJ”

    So this JS42UK/Py/Pyrite/Jon Stevenson is the same person as the Hollie Greig Justice/HGJ/HDJ clown i.e. a mega-troll i.e. NOT Jon/Pyrite from the Hollie Hoax camp.

    The people who make up ‘Hollie’s Army’ are all big-gun trolls; the most loyal, trusted and talented Establishment [masonic] agents.

    Posted by Greg_L-W. for Sharon Ann Zaki.

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> A GUEST POST Collating Much of the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/12/2013

> A GUEST POST Collating Much of the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

##############################

> A GUEST POST

Collating Much of
the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam

PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES – I SHALL RETURN & IMPROVE THE LAYOUT & RESTORE THE LINKS AS ACTIVE (where possible & when possible)

I am trying to form a clear picture and piece the jigsaw together re the HG affair.

There is more to this story than whether or not Hollie was abused by a high up paedo ring.  I’m trying to figure out why the leaders of the ‘Truth Movement’ in the ‘Alternative Media’ ran with this story without investigating it.

It seems only Mark Daly of Panorama did an investigation; he then dropped the story due to lack of evidence. I believe there are a number of actors playing a role at the behest of their masonic masters.

The actors are the controlled opposition lot – mainly the ‘Big Guns’ but there are some of the lower profile ones taking part too.  Now, I can’t prove that but I am working on it and whether I’ll live to see it proven is another matter!

It would seem that the reason this story [and other fake ‘victim’ stories] have gone viral within the ‘alternative media’ is to detract from and undermine genuine victim cases and to waste the precious time and energy of genuine seekers of truth and justice.

Another reason is to speed up the process of internet censorship; after all if baseless stories such as the Hollie Greig one keep hitting the blogosphere, with the result of totally innocent people [including authority figures] being widely accused of paedophilia and other vile crimes, what better excuse do the ruling elite need to bring in controls which would curb the spreading of such information.

[The PTB are in a race against time to bring in their NWO, just as much as we who are opposed to it.]

Mark Daly says under the ‘Transcript of Tony Legend show with Mark Daly’: “People should have a pause and really genuinely think about what it is that you’re doing here Robert, about the seriousness of what you’ve done.

What you’ve done is an affront to free speech, it’s an affront to it, it’s not a demonstration of it, it’s an affront to it and it’s disgraceful. And you’ll have to live with that.”
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/anne-greig/page/2/

Our ONLY weapon is TRUTH via the INTERNET.

The ruling elite, with assistance from shills, troll-types and other gatekeepers are engineering ways to stop us spreading the truth.

See how here. Much time and energy has been wasted focusing on this contemptible fabrication.  What might have been achieved if so many of us hadn’t been so distracted by the HG delusion and had focused instead on the genuine victims of child abuse?

The effect of these evil masonic manipulations is that we genuine victims/truth-tellers are disempowered.  After all, there is now so much doubt and distrust amongst the ‘Truther’ warriors, we just don’t know who is the real deal anymore.

The shills are leading us down roads to nowhere and we’re left sinking in murky waters – confused, suspicious, fearful and alone.  The masonic manipulators have succeeded in creating war and distrust amongst victims [real and fake], such that genuine victims are put off helping each other.

Genuine warriors against the NWO do not have the time or energy to check out who is real and who is not.  Victimised by the State and now by its covert agents we genuine warriors have suffered a double whammy and our drive for truth and justice is thwarted.

The other successful outcome of the HG machination is that the ruling elite can now declare that the spokespeople of the ‘alternative media’ are untrustworthy and irresponsible whereas the mainstream media can be believed as it is more trustworthy; after all Panorama investigated, found the story unprovable and dropped it.

The ‘alternative media’, on the other hand, didn’t bother to investigate, broadcast it widely and made connections to ritual satanic abuse and freemasons, presented as fact.  The ruling elite can now claim that the ‘alternative media’ will believe and promote any story, despite the lack of evidence, if it concerns allegations of child abuse by untouchables within high society paedo rings.  [The NWO plan is to have elite paedophile rings in government and positions of authority.]

They can also now loftily dismiss accusations of cover up within the establishment and they can laugh off any suggestion that freemasonry is the corrupting, evil force within the authorities and judiciary and all realms of power, responsible for all injustice.  ‘Far out’ stories can simply be rubbished and people are left not knowing what to believe is true.

Decent Joe Public truth-seeker gives up and goes back to sleep.  We sincere truth tellers are herded into the same ‘conspiracy theorist ‘ box as everyone else or simply labelled ‘mental’.  The PTB war machine has many varied strategies.

Paedophile-excusing shills earn their regular 30 pieces of silver prostituting themselves spewing out half truths and outright lies.  Their job is to control the awakening of the general public so that the masses do not fully awaken to the truth.

Thus the NWO can continue to unfold, unabated. Hollie is a victim of evil, lying manipulators such as Robert Green and her mother who concocted the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ story.  Hollie is the only one telling the truth.  She is being primed to repeat lies from people in the HDJ group; people like Belinda Mckenzie.  She is a bewildered and exploited young woman and is the victim of the HDJ group, not of paedophiles.

The evidence is that she was not abused; she was sexually active with her boyfriend; her mother Anne Greig sought contraception for her.   According to Robert and Anne, Hollie named 22 individuals that abused her, giving their FULL names and addresses, including their professions.

She is supposed to have remembered this from when she was aged 6 to boot.  Such an idea is absurd.

There are numerous videos, radio and tv shows of Hollie which clearly show that she has severe language limitation such that the HG story is proven to be a hoax on that one fact alone.

For more proof, see
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-hoax…..html
Also see
http://wideshut.co.uk/hollie-greig-hoax/
where it is revealed that some of the members of the paedophile ring that has supposedly operated for over a decade in Aberdeen, Scotland, don’t even exist and other alleged victims were either not yet born or adults before they even met Hollie and have publicly denied they were harmed in any way.

Furthermore at the age of 6 and for a couple of years Hollie was living in Brazil, yet there is no mention of a Brazilian paedophile ring!

The conclusion being “the exploitation of an innocent down’s syndrome girl by snake oil salesmen, dubious activists, Christian fantasists, psychological manipulators, and delusional truthers”.  Wideshut.co also say that psychologist Eva Harding who assessed Hollie in later years has ties with the dubious Tavistock Institute, and Robert Green met with a Tavistock linked Christian group, including MPs and Lords, who appeared to want Green to sex up the satanic side of the story in to a “satanic panic”.

Keelan Balderson says quite fittingly that the “Hollie Greig story and its mythology has grown like a cancer in the truth-seeking movement.

Like a cancer, perhaps its whole purpose was to kill?  Kill the credibility of a growing counter culture that always seems to find itself stumbling on to the right things, only for its ‘leaders’ to become Messiahs, egotists or cliched conspiracy goofs.

If the alternative media is going to retain any credibility, act now, expose the Hollie Greig Hoax!”
See also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFm8Ii6mJw
and
http://www.freedomcentral.info/page.php?page=hoax2&title=$hoax2
and
http://cuttingthroughtherubbish.blogspot.co.uk/

The burning question you have to ask is why did the ‘Big Gun’ ‘Truthers’ take the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ story and run with it?
Why did NONE of them do any research?
Why did they not spot the evidence immediately?
It is glaringly obvious that Hollie simply does not have the capability to utter more than a few basic words.

A 5 year old could tell you that.

People like Richard D Hall have made themselves look ridiculous by promoting this story.
Just watching him interviewing Anne and Robert and attempting to interview Hollie is cringeworthy.
Why didn’t he reach for his bullshit buzzer instead?

How can intelligent, learned, capable people like Sabine, Belinda, Brian Gerrish, Ian R Crane, Bill Maloney, David Icke, Robert Green … be taken in by such a story and STILL believe it now when there is so much evidence to prove it is a hoax?

Why do they refuse to look at the evidence?

If Icke was a genuine ‘truther’ he would be encouraging open debate on his forums and elsewhere to ascertain the facts, but that is not the case; the opposite has happened; he was happy to promote the story internationally, but when presented with evidence that it was a hoax he refused to comment and banned all mention of it from his forums.

Ian R Crane and Brian Gerrish also refuse to look at the evidence and will not engage in dialogue with anyone who questions the story.

Ian Crane could only manage a limp claim that it was not his area of expertise and he also deleted all comments from his wall.

Bill Maloney also refuses to look at the evidence.

Why will they not discuss the evidence with the Holliehoax camp?

On 5th December 2012 Ben Emlyn Jones offered his services as chairman.
He said “The only solution therefore is for the two sides to come together and engage in an open, live and public debate.

So far this has not happened; to their credit, the Hoax side have been the ones most forward in that respect.”
http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/hollie-greig-real-or-fake.html

The reply was “Ben indicates that he is confused and has decided that the only way to clear his confusion is to have an “open, live and public debate” on the intricacies of Hollie Greig’s abuse.  We must apologise to Ben, because the Hollie Demands Justice campaign is not here for the benefit of Ben Emlyn-Jones or anyone else who may simply feel ‘confused’.”
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/

Notice the wording “intricacies of Hollies Greig’s abuse”. Ben did not say that and he did not suggest a debate on Hollie’s abuse.  Word twisting is lying.

It is clear that the HDJ side are not sincere.  If they were they would be happy to debate.

Conclusion, the above named [and no doubt others] are all either in on the masonic plot or they’re total retards or they’ve all suddenly lost their marbles.

WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BELIEVE ANYTHING THESE PEOPLE SAY NOW?

They have all made themselves look like complete and utter idiots and we have been idiots to be taken in by them.  Anyone who believes the HG story is either off with the fairies and is an embarrassment to the so-called ‘Truth movement’ or worse is a NWO gatekeeper – a paedo-protecting lying low-life individual.

The next question is what is the bigger picture?

Well I agree with Ben when he says “I have contacted both factions with my offer and we’ll see what happens.

One trope the Skeptics always use is the “conspiracy theorists are not interested in evidence!”  Well I think this proves that we are!  Unless this debate becomes more than hypothetical then I don’t see how we can possibly move forward on this issue, and this is going to affect our credibility across the board and hamper everything else we do.

So come together, guys!  Let’s talk!”  The key words are CREDIBILITY and HAMPER our efforts.

With the HG issue muddying the waters Joe Public is going to think all of us ‘Truthers’ are barking.

We genuine victims who have stacks of evidence of establishment corruption are not going to be believed and we are all going to be dismissed as ‘conspiraloons’.

Of course this is exactly the plan of the masonic manipulators.  As a result of the HG scam, allegations of cover up with regards genuine cases of child abuse by high up paedo rings can be dismissed.

Meanwhile the suffering of little children continues and the NWO trundles on.  We genuine victims have a mammoth task trying to convince anyone [even loved ones] that corruption [all masonic controlled] occurs on the many and varied levels that it does.

Genuine victims will tell you: “You just couldn’t make it up”.  When you have so-called ‘victims’ champions’ such as Sabine and Belinda successfully fuelling the disbelief, you’re really screwed.

Meanwhile it is extremely difficult to detect their fraud because a large portion of the victims [such as the ‘cases as stories’ on V/U] that they pretend to help/represent are genuine.   Also just to throw more incredulity into the mix, the masonic controlled shills are extremely good at convincing people as to their authenticity.

For example the fake Robert Green played his part well; he was sent to prison.  Green was imprisoned to make the story look genuine.  It looks good to have Hollie’s hero imprisoned when he is trying to get the authorities to investigate and charge 22 alleged paedophiles.

It backs up the HDJ claims of cover up and collusion.  This is the kind of thing [and worse] that does happen to people who try to expose upper society paedo rings and establishment corruption.

Legal Expert Chris Jarvis says here
https://soundcloud.com/brian-gerrish/brian-gerrish-child-stealing-hoax [16 mins on]
that Robert Green was crying foul, yet there was nothing unlawful about his imprisonment.
He was imprisoned legally for breach of the peace and breach of bail.  Chris and a number of parties had contacted him to give him information which would have prevented him going to prison.

They’d also enquired as to why he wasn’t using the solutions but were fobbed off with a ridiculous excuse that RG was afraid of CJ! If the HG story was not an elaborate hoax, conjured up by high up agents, RG would not have been given a prison sentence.

The fact is that many people commit crimes of a far more serious nature and they have numerous convictions, yet they never get imprisoned.

This forms part of my belief that the whole HG story was engineered and executed by high up Freemasons.  From my own experiences of Masonic manipulations – of making things up – of outright lies
[see
http://sharonkilby.co.uk/site/SHARON_ANN_KILBYS_STORY.php]

I can see how the brotherhood have spotted an opportunity to make a convincing sex abuse story out of Hollie Greig.  They had a vulnerable Downs sufferer who is unable to speak for herself, a mother who had been sectioned, an uncle who had died when Hollie was a child and a large compensation payout.

All that could be sexed up [no pun intended] with the arrival of a hero who would be imprisoned for his gallant efforts – enter Robert Green.  It is important to note that the ‘HDJ’ campaign was born when the plant Robert Green got involved.

As for uncle Roy’s death, at the time, everyone, including Anne Greig, accepted the coroner’s findings that he had committed suicide.  [More on this below.]

In similar vein Roger Hayes went to prison.  Hayes and his good chum Brian Gerrish and all the shill repeaters are spreading it about that his incarceration was illegal – secret ‘Stasi’ trial etc, which is nonsense and a pack of lies.

Roger Hayes was imprisoned lawfully for “wilful refusal” to pay council tax.
See
http://fullfact.org/articles/secret_courts_summary_justice_council_tax-27504
for a voice of reason.

Despite BG’s proclamation that a “number of people are working as hard as they can in order to try and overturn the decision that’s been made” and “this is a very, very dangerous precedent, and we are extremely grateful to Mr Gerard Batten MEP for raising the issue of Roger Hayes’ case and the significance of it in the European Parliament”
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=38122
RH stated he wanted to stay in prison
“for the publicity”.
Roger Dodger even went on hunger strike!

Chris Jarvis offered his services as a legal consultant but was, again, effectively told to get lost.
See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nXDLyB2g4 [25 mins on].

It’s all a game to them and they’re paid well by their elite paymasters to play it.  Comrades, please, do not be hoodwinked by these vile creatures.  CJ rightly says certain people such as BG are trying to make the system look corrupt.

The problem is not the system but the secret Masonic brotherhood who are in the driving seat.  Their aim is to bring down the system so that the NWO can be brought in.

Nowadays there are a number of people claiming to be establishment victims; some are genuine, some are very suspect.

We can be very suspicious of the high profile ‘victims’ who are getting lots of publicity on well-known shill sites and who work with known shills.  [These pretend ‘victims’ and ‘Truthers’ seem to have lots of time and money to appear to be helping others and to devise elaborate ways of ‘waking the sheeple up’.  For example, they find creative ways to make videos to highlight false flag operations such as 7/7 and 9/11; they go on various demos, engage in publicity stunts, enjoy meetings with politicians…  They certainly don’t appear to be suffering any hardship.]

The effect of all their campaigning is the opposite of what they appear to be trying to achieve, they just end up sending people round in circles, wasting genuine victims’ time and money and creating confusion and suspicion.

This, of course, is the intended outcome because the real force behind those campaigns is the Masonic hierarchy.  This is what we, genuine establishment [masonic] victims are up against.  Here is the very effective divide and conquer and delay tactic at work again.

The ruling elite throw suspicion and doubt into the pool of ‘truthers’ and they successfully thwart the attempts of genuine victims to unite and form an effective army.  [The shills and fake ‘victims’ are only pretending to challenge the ruling elite.  Their job is to silence and crush us genuine victims and they get paid very well to do so.]

It is so frustrating to realise now, that all those brilliant ‘truther’ sites and all the spirited ‘soldiers’ springing up all over the place and even getting themselves on TV, spreading the word and seemingly doing very effective work challenging the NWO, are in fact fakes!

The elite freemasons know we genuine victims are the only people who have the motivation and determination to mount an effective challenge.

The problem for us is we are few in number and are, as such, easy pickings.  Also many genuine victims are already too crushed to fight back and many just can’t fathom what is happening to them.  Those of us who are spirited enough to try and mount a challenge are constantly under attack on all fronts.  [The masons find ingenious ways to rob you of your home, possessions and loved ones, create stress for you and your kids, such that you are all constantly battling illness and they create problems for you in the workplace; sometimes so bad that you are forced to leave.

They are so successful as they have all the weapons at their disposal; they create a scenario that, to anyone else, it appears that you are the problem/have mental issues…  Daily life becomes such a struggle [by masonic design] that there is no time or energy left for a victim to fight back.

Such resources are spent trying to earn a living, keeping a roof over one’s head, doing housework, caring for family, whilst at the same time trying to record evidence of corruption, as well as coping with various State Agent Smiths who come a calling and various official meetings/court hearings…]  Even if you manage to cope with such unbearable masonic onslaught, your sack-loads of evidence of State corruption get you no-where.

No-one cares.

Only another genuine victim of the establishment [freemasons] will believe you and will support you and will fight alongside you.

It is nigh on impossible to form an effective army against the mighty masonic hierarchy.  Stephen Knight says in his book ‘THE BROTHERHOOD’ :  ‘Only the fighters have any hope of beating the system once it is at work against them.  Most people, fighters or not, are beaten in the end, though.

You finish up not knowing who you can trust.  You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who thinks the whole world is conspiring against them.  It is a strange phenomenon.  By setting up a situation that most people will think a fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person’s life.

If they give in they go under.  If they don’t give in it’s only putting off the day because if they fight, so much unhappiness will be brought to the people around them that there will likely come a time when even their families turn against them out of desperation.  When that happens and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat.

The newspapers will not touch them.  There is no defense against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists’.

I will expand on my points and give more detail of the lies and inconsistencies which prove the HG story is fake.
For more detail and evidence see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSxOrwg5ejM
and the Hollie Hoax site
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-hoax…..html

Hollie Greig was born on 24th November 1979.  The story is that at the age of 6 she started being abused by a paedophile gang.

At first there were 31 alleged paedophiles.  That figure changed to 22.  The abuse continued for 14 years until the year 2000 when she was 20 years old and began to speak out; first telling her mother. As far as I’m aware and according to the official HDJ site 14 of the 22 alleged abusers are named, who are the other 8?

Brian Gerrish of UK Column says on ‘Open your mind’ radio that, in many cases, Hollie even gave the relationship between people.  She allegedly gave full names, addresses and professions and she also described how she was abused and where it happened….  There is no evidence that Hollie said/is able to say all this.

This is confirmed by her brother Greg and Wyn, Anne’s best friend for 5 years.

The evidence is that she can barely say a few words.  Robert Green says he has the police transcripts of Hollie’s interviews, why doesn’t he publish them?  [See more on this below.] Let’s assume Hollie did name these 22 people, how/where did she get the names and addresses of them, such as Jack, Evelyn, Sarah & Susie Buchanan?

These people have been proved NOT to be related to the Sheriff.  At first Evelyn was the Sheriff’s sister…..then the sister-in-law.  Both are lies! Hollie, along with other children including Wyn Dragon-Smith’s children were allegedly taken to the Sheriff’s sister’s house to be abused.

BUT the Sheriff had no sister, therefore there WAS no house.  Wyn’s children didn’t meet Hollie until she was 17 and they were in their 20’s.  The Sheriff did not even live in the area until 2000.  It is stated in the HDJ ‘questions and answers’ sections that Hollie said she was taken along with the other victims she had named by minibus to Jack and Evelyn’s house.

In the Tony Legend Show Hollie said that her Father used to drop her off and pick her up.  Sometimes she went on her own and sometimes her Father was there.  So how did Hollie or her dad find a non-existent house?  Here is an extract from an email Robert sent to Marcus Ryder of the BBC  “The one positive aspect was the absolutely heroic stance of Hollie Greig, who withstood the necessarily difficult questions with calmness, precision and dignity.

She is a woman of true stature and an example to everyone who has faced the similar horrors of group rape.  Significantly, a very high proportion of the rapes and abuse took place in the home of Sheriff Buchanan`s sister, Evelyn.”

Tony Legend of Manchester on-line Radio interviewed Hollie.  You can clearly hear Anne saying “and anyone else’s house” a number of times until Hollie gives the required answers.

I used to look after an 18 year old Downs Syndrome girl and I got to know her very well.  She behaved exactly as I’ve seen Hollie behaving and her language capability was similar to Hollie’s – pretty much one word answers only.  I also knew a 30 year old Downs man and he also behaved in the same way and had severe language disability. Why does the court order not include Evelyn, Jack, Sarah and Susie Buchanan?

The reason is that the court doesn’t find it necessary to place non-existent individuals on court orders. According to Robert, Hollie says other kids were abused by these people.  These ‘kids’ have claimed they were not abused.

Their statements are published on the Hoax site.

Four of the ‘victims’ would have been in their 20s at the time of the abuse.  Two of them weren’t born at the time of the allegations. Robert says Hollie was terrified that her dad was going to kill her, her dogs and her mom.

The Edge Media interview clearly shows Hollie did not believe her dad was going to kill her, her dog or her mother.  When asked this direct question by Theo Chalmers, Hollie’s answer was NO!

Theo appeared completely shocked and asked her to confirm she did not believe him – Hollie obliged and said NO again.

Theo Chalmers then asked Hollie why she had kept quiet for so long.  She then said  “He didn’t kill them.”  Theo looked to Anne for translation and Anne ACTUALLY CHANGES what Hollie had said to – “he said he would kill them”.

Robert says he overheard Hollie naming all 22 individuals while sat outside the interview room, and he noted them in his notebook.

There is clear evidence that Hollie is badly affected by her condition.  That was clear in the Edge Media interview and other videos.    Even if it were true, you would not hear clearly what Hollie would say sitting outside ANY room when most people could not understand what she says when sitting right next to her.

Robert claimed his notebook was stolen by the police.

According to ‘HDJ’ there were police raids on RG’s home and on the home of Anne and Hollie, whereby important documents were taken.  Well, it is just not conceivable that both Anne and Robert [as the ‘official representative’] would not have made copies of everything and stored them in a safe place.  All whistleblowers do this.

I have copies of all my stuff [including rough notes] stored with more than one trusted person.  Also duplicates can be requested if necessary.  So to suggest that vital evidence has somehow gone missing is nonsense.

According to the FAQ section on ‘HDJ’ it is stated: ” It should be noted that Hollie has the ability to use ‘Makaton’ (sign language) and when the police interviewed her they confirmed she was not ‘incopax’ and declared her a very credible witness.

Moreover TWO Psychological Assessments by eminent clinical psychologists Dr Jack Boyle in 2001 and Dr Eva Harding in 2003 confirm that Hollie’s account of her experience, despite “sparse’ language was entirely plausible and did not lead to the conclusion that she had lied or invented anything.

Dr Harding’s report ends thus: “It is undoubtedly the case that Hollie was sexually abused by her father and brother over a long period from childhood and probably by others who had access to her. This report is given in soul and conscience.”

Well according to Robert Green, he HEARD Hollie from outside the police interview room, so she wasn’t using sign language then!  In all the coverage I’ve seen of Hollie ‘communicating’ she has never used sign language.

Has anyone seen her and her mother communicting in this way?

Is there any evidence that Hollie communicates this way?

Has the report by Dr Eva Harding [who has ties with the Tavistock Institute] been published anywhere?

The Boyle report is published here.  It consists of mainly what Anne says.  The only reference to what Hollie actually says is a vague “she is describing sexual abuse”.

The Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland Jim Martin states in his PCCS report [p23] that Superintendent J noted in the Subject Report that the psychologist reports were not acted upon in the sense that they did not prompt any further enquiry.

Deputy Chief Constable Y stated in his final letter to AG 9th May 2007 “I do note that the weight of emphasis within the reports is on [Denis and Greg] as alleged perpetrators with less emphasis on the possibility of specific others being involved in alleged abuse.”

Panorama investigator Mark Daly told Robert & Anne that he could not run with the story. 

Robert claims it was because Daly said he would lose his job. 

Robert will not give permission to Mark Daly to release the tapes of the conversation they had.  Listening to these tapes would very clearly determine exactly WHO is lying. 

This is Mark Daly’s statement: “I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided. After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. 

It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them.

On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed.  As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. 

There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality.  And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.” 

See Mark Daly v Robert Green here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC_bV_xkuwg

Green accuses the Lord Advocate Elish Anglioni QC of a cover up.  According to a letter dated 4th December ’09 from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, “All key decisions in relation to prosecution in Hollie’s case in 2000 and 2001 were taken before or after the Lord Advocate’s time as Regional Procurator Fiscal in Grampian and were taken by other senior prosecutors.” 

So Elish Anglioni had nothing to do with the case. The CICA [Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority] was told a doctor [P] had examined Hollie and “found evidence of penetration of [Hollie’s] private parts”. 

There was no evidence to suggest with whom.  [Ref p 11 of the PCCS report.]  Detective Inspector V states, “on the balance of probability, that [Hollie] was sexually abused” but “there was never a sufficiency of corroborative evidence to make prosecution of any viable person.” 

Given that the police were almost certainly unaware that Hollie had a boyfriend, it is not surprising they would have to conclude that she must have been sexually abused. 

However it has also been suggested by Mr G, a Police Support Officer, that “previous penetration did not mean sexual abuse and to illustrate this he stated that children may injure themselves internally while playing” [p30 of the PCCS report]. 

Miss W, the representative from the support organisation who acted on Hollie’s behalf at the CICA hearing said she was “taken aback by the difference between what was said by Mr G and what she understood the police evidence would be” [p21].

AG could provide evidence of this sexual abuse if she published Hollie’s medical notes.  Why doesn’t she? 

She says that it is documented in medical records that Hollie was penetrated anally. 
She tells Tony Legend, Manchester Radio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqN1-3CIqQw 
via a Butlincat video that Hollie told the police that she suffered anal sex from these paedos and as a result had a fissure which caused red mucous to come from her bottom. 

Despite Tony Legend stating that AG had shown him “document after document supporting her story, including medical records and autopsy reports” none of it is published! 

See also the Butlincat write up. 
Where’s the evidence???
Anne Greig might be able to convince us that she’d suffered domestic violence from Denis if she published her medical records. 
Why doesn’t she? 
[She alleges that she was “covered in bruises and had a broken finger”. See Complaint 3 p15 and 16 of the PCCS report.] CICA – using a burden of proof far lower than that which would be required for a criminal conviction, “beyond reasonable doubt” – decided to make the award in 2005.

As for AG’s complaint 6 [p19], Deputy Chief Constable Y tells AG: “Detective Sergeant F interviewed [Hollie] in the presence of an ‘Appropriate Adult’.

Both had some reservations regarding the manner in which [Hollie] disclosed a lengthy list of people who I understand you believe may have abused [Hollie]. 

Further questions to help establish whether [Hollie] understood what telling the truth meant did not result in a position where those present were comfortable with accuracy of the general allegations being made.” See this letter
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/dc-davidson—anne-putting-words-into-hollie-s-mouth..html
showing that DC Leanne Davidson “confirmed that Mrs Mackie is continually making allegations to the police about people abusing Hollie.  She is adding to this list of people all the time. 

Leanne feels that Mrs Mackie is putting words into Hollie’s mouth.” The allegations of a paedophile ring have been investigated twice. Grampian Police interviewed Hollie and her mother several times from 2000 onward and filed a report with the procurator-fiscal in Aberdeen. 

Detective Sergeant F informed AG that, “with the exception of relative A [Hollie’s brother Greg] there was no evidence to justify further enquiry in relation to the individuals named.”  Through Interpol, Greg, was “traced and interviewed on 9th January 2002, after which he was released without charge due to the absence of evidence” [ref PCCS report p10 and p19]. 

Detective Sergeant F carried out “background checks on all the individuals concerned to establish if there was any other basis upon which to proceed – there was nothing found as a result of these checks which supported the position” [p 19 of the PCCS]. 

See also
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/no-investigation–hollies-carer-and-children-innocent….html

Different officers re-investigated the claims in 2009 after the case blew up on the internet.

They filed another report to the procurator-fiscal. Many in ‘Hollie’s Army’ believe reports to the fiscal amount to evidence of wrongdoing, but there is no suggestion the reports contained such evidence. 

A subject sheet sent to the Procurator Fiscal on 8th March 2002 provided information regarding the circumstances of the enquiry and the rationale not to interview the list of people previously named.  

[Ref CPPS report p10.] Anne Greig formally complained to Grampian Police about the first investigation, as well as about a series of other allegations she made, including the murder of her brother. 

The complaint most cited by her supporters is the failure of police to interview more than one of the 22 people named by Hollie. 

However, A Greig’s complaints were investigated and dismissed. The force’s handling of the complaints was upheld by the PCCS [Scotland’s independent police watchdog] in 2008. Hollie allegedly reported that her uncle had seen her abused by another relative.  However, Hollie’s uncle, Roy or Robert Greig, took his own life in 1997. 

His car caught fire near Balmedie, north of Aberdeen, as he tried to kill himself with exhaust fumes. 

A passer-by pulled him out of the car and resuscitated him. A post-mortem examination showed Roy Greig had broken ribs and a bruise to the back of his head.  Both are consistent with attempts to revive him. 

Green and Anne Greig believe he was murdered [that he was “repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle”] to stop him talking. 

Stuart Usher on the Paul Drocton Show confirmed the autopsy stated Roy suffered a simple bump on the head [contusion].  Anne and Robert said the autopsy was taken to an ‘expert’ for an informal interpretation report.  They said the report showed ‘murder’ was the most likely outcome. 

Why doesn’t Anne or Robert publish that report? 

Anne said her brother had no reason to commit suicide and therefore the coroner’s verdict could not be true. 

Mark Daly found that Roy did have reason to kill himself as he had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing.

AG did not see fit to mention to the police [Detective Sergeant F] that she believed Roy was murdered and why.  In the PCCS report on p22 Superintendent J states in his Subject Report that AG “did not specifically allege that there was anything sinister in Roy’s death.” 

In fact the claims that there was a connection between Roy’s death and the alleged abuse of Hollie seems to be an afterthought.  Supt J states that there was no evidence from officers who had been involved with AG in the past that she raised concerns that the death of Roy was connected with him allegedly witnessing Denis abusing Hollie. 

It is stated in the PCCS report on p 30: “This was raised as a broad concern by [AG] in her statement of complaint.” As for AG’s complaint with regards fraud in relation to Roy’s estate, we might ask why AG did not raise the issue in her original statement [p12 of the PCCS report “… information regarding an historic fraud enquiry to Superintendent J on 10 October 2006. 

He responded to [AG] on 13 October 2006, stating that the information contained in her fax had not been touched on in her original statement.”]  Also, why she could not be accurate about dates [p7 “It is evident that Detective Constable L and detective Constable M visited [AG] re allegations of fraud.  [AG] told Supt J that this meeting occurred in January 2004.

However, Supt J states in the Subject Report that the officers believe that this meeting occurred in 2001 or 2002.”]  Further AG cannot give detailed information.  

Detective Inspector Z, Head of the Fraud squad, states that AG was “unhappy with the value of assets she’d received re Roy’s estate but that she was not able to identify what assets remained unaccounted for and as such a police investigation would not have been appropriate” [p14 and 25]. Robert Green says in his blog  http://holliedemandsjustice-robertgreensblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/death-of-robert-david-greig.html
on 11th January 2012:  “When the autopsy finally arrived, it stated that Roy`s sternum, one of the body`s strongest bones, had been broken, along with several ribs and damage to the skull, consistent with having been badly beaten.” 

Also: “Sylvester Cadger had been given an award for his bravery in trying to rescue Roy by the Royal Humane Society, which posed yet another question. In order to receive such an award his action must have been witnessed. It was not a member of the emergency services, although a later newspaper report mentioned a “passing nurse”, odd in itself given the remoteness of the spot.

However, there seems to be no record at all of this elusive individual, The Royal Humane Society does not know, the police do not know and Sylvester Cadger refuses to answer. Now Mr McGeechan, at the Crown office, has refused to disclose the identity of this person, always assuming that the individual actually exists.”

Also: “I disclosed my concern about Sylvester Cadger`s  role in Roy`s death. My suspicions were raised further when both the transcripts which arrived later from the Police and Crown Office had omitted the entire mention of Mr Cadger.

When challenged, both stated that no omissions had been made and that the transcripts were faithful to the contents of the tape. Thanks to my solicitor, Mr Gerry Sweeney, who successfully pressed to obtain the tape, there was the section about Syvester Cadger.

Why did the Police and Crown Office omit and then lie about it?  No other section had been tampered with.”

WHY DOESN’T ROBERT GREEN PUBLISH THE AUTOPSY REPORT, THE TWO TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE POLICE AND CROWN OFFICE, THE TAPE RECORDING, THE STATEMENTS FROM THE POLICE AND CROWN OFFICE THAT NO OMISSIONS HAD BEEN MADE AND THE NEWSPAPER REPORT??? 

According to HDJ.org [5/3/2013] “A report states as a result of rescuing Robert Greig he sustained burns to his hands.”  Also “According to the autopsy, Robert Greig did not receive first, second or third degree burns.” 

WHY DON’T THEY PUBLISH THESE REPORTS?

Robert Green’s “Death of Robert Greig” blog is published here, just in case the odious liar removes it.  See here  http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/a-1000-piece-jigsaw-is-now-coming-together/
for more on Sylvester Cadger.

Green also says in the same blog: “It had come to light that Hollie’s father successfully claimed £51,000 from the Scottish Widows, through a solicitor named by Hollie, on a life insurance policy taken on his brother-in-law’s life.” 

Well, where is the evidence for this?  And how was it possible for Hollie’s father to take out a life insurance policy on Anne’s brother when Anne was his next of kin?

See Greg L-W blog, under Robert [Roy] Greig Embezzlement for more
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/anne-greig/page/2/
See also the 4/5/2013 post on
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/a-still-smoking-car-fire/ 
under the title A STILL SMOKING CAR FIRE.  HDJ.org state: “The latest from the police in response to a FOI request in 2013 is that Roy’s death was ‘accidental’.” 

Also: “Anne has continued to press Grampian police and fire service as to why they so rapidly ruled out foul play and decided they did not need to investigate further.  They told her “it was clear no-one else was involved”.” 

Quotes appear to have been plucked from thin air again! 

There is no reference to any official document.  Why don’t they publish official documents to back up their story, considering they are now well and truly backed up in a corner, desperately trying to convince the public that they speak the truth. 

They also state: “Then in 2011, Anne managed to obtain the fire-report, a likewise very revealing document.”  So why don’t they publish it???  Further down this post, HDJ summarise as follows:

1]  Back in 1997 the fire service had said “the police are treating this incident as suicide … it is clear the fatality tried to kill himself …” but in 2013 the police are now saying that Robert David Greig’s death was “accidental”;

2] Grampian Police maintain that Grampian Fire & Rescue Service hold all the information on the incident;

3] Grampian Fire & Rescue Service however say no information is being held by them;

4] the all-important toxicology report is being withheld by the pathologist, Dr Grieve;

5] The Procurator Fiscal who is responsible for prosecutions in Scotland claims no longer to be holding any documents on the case.

Again, notice that there is no reference to any official document to support these claims!

There are replies to F.O.I requests, however it is stated there that the FIRE was an accident, not that Roy’s death was.

“15. In answer to a previous F.O.I from A,Greig you have stated the fire was an accident.  How was this determined and what forensics were carried out?

This determination was based on the fire report and what was noted at the scene by police officers [i.e. hosepipe attached to exhaust].”

WORD TWISTING IS LYING.

It is also clearly confirmed in the same report that Roy was not murdered; that he had committed suicide as was his intention.  The evidence is that people were trying to save him, not murder him.

“16 In answer previous F.O.I from A. Greig, you have also stated that you had determined there was no other person involved?  Precisely how was this determined?

This was determined from witness statements from those who tried to save deceased and that there was no evidence to suggest that anyone else was involved.”

“18 By what evidence did Grampian Police make a determination that suggested that the cause of the fire was suicide to the PF and therefore no further investigation launched?

From the information in the fire report, witness statements and what was noted at the scene.” See
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/162781/response/402192/attach/html/3/response.pdf.html
See also
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/152694/response/376423/attach/html/2/FOI.140.13.Reply.pdf.html

“8] The Fire Incident Log states: “…although the fire was accidental, it was clear that the fatality had tried to kill himself”.” “b] Give precise details of how it was determined that the fatality was also a suicide?

There was no evidence to suggest that any other person was involved.”

“9] The Fire Fatality Incident Report states: “Build up of back pressure in exhaust system caused catalytic converter to over heat and ignite plastic in engine compartment”.

” See also
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/116167/response/288032/attach/html/3/FOI.211.12.Reply.pdf.html
and
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/105743/response/276781/attach/5/FOI.176.12.Reply.pdf

These reports do not reflect what is being stated by the HDJ gang.  There are other replies to FOI requests re HG on whatdotheyknow.com, however nothing there backs up anything ‘Hollie’s army’ say.

If they want us to believe them why don’t they publish the documents they say they have?

Incidentally I find it a little odd that HDJ don’t provide a link to the FOI replies!

They also state in the same post: “She was told by the Procurator Fiscal said they had looked into the case and “it could not determine that it was suicide”.”

Here they are again throwing out quotes willy nilly with nothing to back up anything they say.

Barefaced liars.

The FOI clearly confirm that the police thoroughly investigated the allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and had found them to be unsubstantiated: “Historical allegations of sexual abuse made by a 30 year old woman in Shropshire have been thoroughly investigated by Grampian Police.

Crown Counsel have considered all the available information and decided that there is insufficient credible, reliable and admissible evidence to justify criminal proceedings in respect of these allegations.”

HDJ state on their Q & A section that Grampian police “do accept that she had been abused by her father Denis Mackie and her brother Greg.”  So there is another blatant lie.

I won’t bother pointing out any more of their lies/baseless allegations – just on that page alone – there are far too many.

Greg L-W describes Robert Green as “”a menace to the good function of society”, “a dangerous, irresponsible, criminal liar” and “a Snake Oil Salesman”.
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/greg-lance-watkins/
I agree with Greg and would add that this description applies to ALL in ‘Hollie’s Army’ and ALL in the A/M who promote this story.

I have copy/pasted the relevant FOI reports here just in case someone removes them.

HDJ continue their blatant and breathtaking lies in their efforts to convince us of a “murky picture”, of buck passing of “a very suspicious incident” within the authorities.  They ask “how come that all these years the Fiscal never confirmed to certain authorities that the death was accidental?”

The lying scumbags then go on to say “who was the mysterious nurse at the scene who possibly assisted with the revival attempts?” 

Read again my comments re RG’s 11/1/12 blog. 

Where is it confirmed in any official document that there was a nurse or a Sylvester Cadger? 

We don’t know who tried to revive Roy.  RG has apparently got 2 transcripts from the police and crown office, a tape recording, statements from the police and a newspaper report in relation to this. 

BUT HE WON’T PUBLISH ANY OF IT!!! 

On 5th March 2013 HDJ state “Grampian Fire Report states “accidental suicide”.”  LIARS! 

The monkeys even point out that “either it was accidental, suicide or it was something else?”  i.e. that accident and suicide are not compatible! 

The Fire incident log clearly states accidental fire and suicide.  And the HDJ thugs have the jaw dropping gall to accuse Dennis and the other innocent victims of the HG hoax of using “lies, slanderous distortions and distractions”!!!

The only murky picture here is the one the filthy freemason controlled HDJ are concocting! 

Jesus the BS this lot come out with beggars belief.  They must think we’re all as thick as pigshit. 

Did they really think that we who are on to them would not notice what is actually stated in the official documents that are published? 

They say “This story is bigger than the Saville cover up.”  Yes it is.  But not in the way they say. 

This story will expose the masonic paedo-protecting NWO gatekeepers.

The ‘Hollie’s Army’ gang remind me of the way my evil ex used to behave.  Virtually all the malicious lies he said about me and the accusations he made against me actually applied to him! 

The same tactics are used here. 

So when the foul mouthed HDJ gangsters make accusations against their victims and the truth tellers we know they are actually speaking about themselves. 

Belinda, Sabine, Robert Green, Brian Gerrish ….all masters of LIES, SPIN, SLANDER, DISINFO AND DISTORTIONS. 

They must all have degrees in the art of bullshitting.

An example of this is in a comment by the idiot ‘Joe Cryans’ [which is probably not his real name] on the 5/8/12 HDJ post entitled ‘To Balance the Scales’ written by Ian McFerran. 

Cryans says that Wyn and Sylvia are trying to “spin their way out of it” and that whilst doing so they are “digging a much deeper pit to fall into”. 

Well it is clear who the spinners and diggers are! 

The slippery smug slug McFerran deserves an award for his spinning skills.

Now let’s look at the absurdity of their 5/8/12 post.  The HDJ NLP trained sociopaths really are showing desperation here.  First of all let’s cut the crap about there being a mail from McFerran to HDJ.org saying that he was bowing to some people’s wishes to look at the answers provided by the opposition. 

There were no ‘people’ asking him to do this response; his HDJ co-conspirators asked him to do it … and this stupid lapdog dutifully obliged. 

Now why would the HDJ lot feel the need to ‘balance’ the facts of the matter? 

Their title tells you everything. 

Balancing in this context means neutralising [which is exactly what my ex and his freemason friends in high places tried to do to me]. 

In plain English HDJ.org were/are terrified of Sylvia and Wyn because they formed a ‘Hoax’ group who began collecting lots of proof that there is no substance to the HG story. 

Furthermore that these good people were not afraid to shout it from the rooftops.  HDJ, alarmed at this, panicked and sent their trusted henchman McFerran on a damage limitation exercise. 

McFerran came up with some, it has to be said, spectacular spin on the 40 answers given in his effort to neutralise what was being said by Sylvia and Wyn.  But his dirty little plan didn’t work, the opposite was achieved. 

Now everyone can see what an evil lying little man McFerran is.  But more importantly any well meaning person who might be taken in by the HDJ loathsome lot can now see the truth for themselves, published on the Hollie Demands Justice’s very own website and shining like a beacon, albeit starting from around one third of the way down the page.

Now that all that has been cleared up, let’s take a nosey at some of the things this McFerran pr..k spouts. 

He says: “This response is being presented at the request of a few people who were not happy with the detail of some of the answers provided and the evasive nature of some of them.  I shall try to respond as impartially as I can.”  What a bare-faced lying cheeky git. 

Look at his terminology ‘evasive’.  He and his gang are the shifty ones. 

Wyn and Sylvia speak straightforwardly.

And how can the idiot say he’s impartial when he’s one of the main players in ‘Hollie’s Army’??? 

He sanctimoniously goes on to say “Therefore when the answers given by the ‘accused’ appear defensive … the campaign is only calling for an open public enquiry and is not directly accusing them of anything.  Speculations and views are one thing; legal due process is something quite different.”  Lying hypocrite. 

He is one of the HDJ heavyweights and they have all been directly accusing Wyn and Sylvia of being part of a paedo gang who raped Hollie.  As for a public enquiry, he knows there can be no such thing because there is no need for one.  [More on this below]. 

As for specs and views, he and his gangster pals are the ones who have infected the Net with their disgusting lies…  He goes on to say in bold “…we will not be answering further questions” and “The reason given the points have been covered elsewhere. 

This seems to nullify the reason for letting the public put questions to the accused ladies.” 

Here the slime ball is implying that the ladies are trying to avoid answering questions.  The fact is Sylvia and Wyn have given truthful comprehensive answers to every question put to them.  They welcome questions and are willing to debate.  There is complete transparency with these ladies, since they have nothing to hide. 

Not so with the HDJ evildoers. 

The problem Wyn and Sylvia have is that it is impossible to negotiate with a slippery character like McFerran who is hell bent on burying the truth by whatever means possible and on trying to turn the tables.  The rest of this pompous prat’s response is just jammed pack full of lies, inferences and innuendos. 

The slurs against two completely innocent and decent ladies have done irrepairable damage to them and their families.  Does this McFerran twonk have any idea how much contempt people have for him and what a prize prat he’s made of himself in his desire to please his paymasters?   

He may feel proud of himself and it is likely that the HDJ barstewards will have considered it a job well done.  But all good people will see him in a different light.  One word best describes this sycophant … and it rhymes with banker!

The HDJ.org 5/3/13 post ends with: “One thing is clear, there is nothing here that can possibly qualify as a ‘thorough investigation’ on the part of Grampian Police and Fire & Rescue Service and the Procurator Fiscal of this suspicious incident. 

So, if these are this authority’s standards in relation to a violent death, we have to question whether they are likely to have been any more reliable in the matter of a certain case of serious sexual abuse which, in similar vein, they claim to have “thoroughly investigated” and discounted of being of any concern?”  Nice try, cheeky monkeys.  

This lot are trying to fool the public into believing that there is a cover up.  We can see now why the so-called ‘HDJ campaign’ went quiet for a few months.  The masonic mafia needed some time to re-group and think up some more ways to spin the story in the hope of fooling the public.  Well they can’t pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. 

Their never ending layer upon layer of ugly lies is unravelling for everyone to see just how vile and contemptuous the masonic controlled HDJ lot really are. No doubt HDJ will use the fact that some information is withheld to back up their claim of a cover up. 

However it is clearly explained in the FOI replies why certain information cannot be disclosed: “Efficient and Effective Conduct of the Force: To disclose specific details of how an investigation is carried out, could hamper the Force’s ability to conduct such inquiries in the future, as it would be known exactly what types of enquiries would be made to establish whether any criminality was involved.

Flow of information to the Force:  If we disclosed details of witnesses in a specific inquiry, this could prevent others from coming forward with information in the future, for fear of their names being released into the public domain.  This would harm the Force’s ability to fully investigate sudden deaths and possibly other types of incidents.”

 

Notice that the HDJ gang have a habit of trying to connect the fictional HG story with other events concerning other people which may or may not be true.  Robert Green Plant also loves to make connections where there are none.

He constantly tries to give credibility to the HG story by bamboozling the unsuspecting public with connections to totally unrelated MSM news stories, such as the Italian lady who had her baby forcibly removed by UK social services and given up for adoption, Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith, Elm Guest House … In their July 18th 2013 post
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/the-time-for-action-draws-ever-nearer/
they’re trying to kid us that all will be revealed during the coming litigation.

This translates to they’re buying time to avoid having to produce the evidence which they haven’t got.  They’re saying they’re keeping their evidence for court … knowing full well that it’ll never get to court!  Cheeky f…ckers.

They write: “our investigators have been beavering away collating the vast swathes of evidence that will form the basis of the coming litigation” and “It will not be too long before the real storm begins, and when it does you can read all about it officially through the pre-prepared Court Reporter pages…”   Oh puleeeeeeeease.

Someone pass me the sick bucket.   Is anyone buying this shill shite?

Seriously who do this evil lot think they’re kidding?

As for the transcripts of Hollie’s police interviews, something I heard here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvzo2iYvjKg [around 46 mins]
arouses my curiousity.

The ‘Hoax’ group were sent documents ‘recently’ [December 2012] from someone anonymous.  One of the documents has been confirmed by the police to be genuine.

Presumably that document is the transcript of Hollie’s police interview[s] because the question asked of the police by the ‘Hoax’ group was, “Did Hollie’s interview name these people?”  If that is the case I wIll not be surprised if said document turns out to be not genuine.

I will explain why.  I find it very difficult to believe Hollie did/could name all those 31people that she is alleged to have said abused her.  There is absolutely no evidence that she is capable of doing so.  I would not be at all surprised if this document has been written by high up police masons who are in on the Hollie Greig storyline.  [I have first-hand experience of police corruption and, YES, they do write fraudulent reports.]

One thing I could bet my life on, the tape recording[s] of Hollie’s police interview[s] will never see the light of day.  Why?  Because I do not believe it/they exist[s].  We should ask questions, such as why have these documents appeared as late as December 2012?  i.e. after the HG story had been debunked and growing numbers of people began questioning it.

Who, apart from Anne Greig and Robert Green, is able to access such documents?

Why would someone want to send them to the ‘Hoax’ group?  The probable answer to the last question is to make them, and all of us, believe that Hollie did actually say all the things that is being alleged.  Or it is possible that Mr ‘Anon’ is hoping these documents will come into the public domain so that AG, Robert Green Plant and his brother shills can then declare that said documents are not genuine.

They could point out that the police transcript[s] has/have been doctored, that they know this because it/they differ[s] to the tape recording [just as Green claims happened re Sylvester Cadger and the police and crown office transcripts and tape recording].

The recording[s] will never come to light due to some bullshit excuse.  They’ll then smugly tell us that this proves their assertions of police corruption in the HG case!!!  All more muddying of the waters …  This is why I’m curious as to why these documents appeared when they did.

Maybe I’m looking too deeply into all this, but having a great deal of experience of how freemasonry works, and how clever the slick pretenders are at covering their tracks, this scenario is quite feasible.

I could be wrong; but the Hollie Greig story is a sophisticated hoax and there is more to it than people realise.  You just need to observe how fiercely the ‘big gun’ shills and forum trolls protect it to see that.

For more examples of phoney telephone transcripts, listen to the Historian David Irving discussing their use as a pretext for war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=158W1n7rGlA [20 mins on.]

Further scrutiny of the PCCS report reveals more evidence which diminish further AG’s credibility and expose her as the liar, not the police.  She does not produce any evidence to show otherwise.

According to Jim Martin she is “unable to recall in her statement specific dates and names.”  She does not get her facts correct.  For example, see p 24, AG had provided a chart showing her perceived connections between the alleged abusers.

She states that Detective Sergeant F had contact with Person U – a former carer – in a pantomine and lived in the same area as her.  Person U states that she had never met Det Serg F and that whilst she had never been in panto with him, she was in panto with an ex-police officer.

Supt J noted that Det Serg F did not live in the same area as person U. Anne Greig blatantly lies – see p12 where she complains that the charge against Greg [re an alleged indecent act in his car] was prevented from going to court due to police inaction/error/collusion and Denis’ influence.

It is on public record that it did go to court – 3 times – and Greg pled guilty.

Also AG complained that she believed Mr G [previously Detective Sergeant G] had been involved in the case.  Superintendent J confirmed that Mr G did not feature anywhere in the case. AG makes numerous allegations and complaints, but doesn’t back up anything she says with evidence and she doesn’t prove that the police or any other authority are corrupt.

Why doesn’t she request official reports/statements from various depts e.g the Police, Child Protection Unit, Social Services etc in an effort to PROVE that she tells the truth and that it is the police etc who are the liars???  E.g p16 of the PCCS report AG says [in her statement of complaint taken on 23/3/06] that no arrangements were made to bring Hollie back for a medical exam or to re-interview her.

Supt J stated in the Subject Report that information provided by Detective Constable E, supported by her reports and several witness statements, confirm that further arrangements were made to re-examine and re-interview Hollie regarding issues raised on 25/8/2000.

If AG is telling the truth, then the Subject Report and witness statements must contain lies, why doesn’t AG request these documents and publish them???

The evidence shows that the police are not the liars, AG is.  P17 Deputy Chief Constable Y stated to AG in his letter dated 9th May 2007 that evidence indicated that arrangements were made for AG and Hollie to attend on 28/8/2000.

A different Appropriate Adult [AG did not like the previous ‘Appropriate Adult’ Ms N a Social Worker who AG said was incompetent – p8] recalled being asked by the force to attend on 28/8/2000.  AG did not attend.

Detective Constable E and detective Sergeant G visited AG’s home but she refused to answer the door [p9]. On p21 of the PCCS report evidence again suggests that AG lies, not the police.  She complains that Mr G, a member of Grampian Police Support Staff, said words to the effect that “mentally handicapped people ‘fiddled with each other and fiddled with themselves’.”

He says in his statement of 20th June 2006 that he is confident he would not use such words.  Aide Memoir notes, obtained from the panel members at the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority Hearing by Supt J stated that the notes corroborated Mr G’s account and that the notes contain no comments in relation to people with learning difficulties.

There is no evidence of corruption in the police in the case of Hollie Greig.  It is evident the police did do their jobs properly [albeit there was a need for more “rigorous and accountable recording of information”] and that the police investigation of police officers was also done thoroughly; in fact Superintendent J [who “appears to have conducted a full and robust enquiry” p32 of the PCCS report] went further and conducted an enquiry into other matters which AG had not raised in her complaints against the police.

Neither is there any evidence of corruption on the part of the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland, Jim Martin.  If the above is not true, where is the evidence that suggests otherwise? There is no evidence of any corruption/cover up within the Establishment regarding Hollie Greig.

Fact. A final note about Brian Gerrish, he states, “The Scottish police have admitted there was no investigation and corrupt courts have been used to imprison Robert Green.”  I asked him to send me the proof – a copy of the police letter or other police documentation …  Not surprisingly there is none.

BG says the answer is to get it into court, RG did have an opportunity to get the case into the Scottish Courts [back in 2010].  Why didn’t he?  Why doesn’t he take out a private prosecution?  It costs nothing.

Chris Jarvis explains how to, here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nXDLyB2g4 [around 59 mins] and he offers assistance.

Ian McFerran, Campaign member of ‘Justice for Hollie Greig’ and ‘Free Robert Green’ deserves another mention.  He is almost certainly a high level freemason, on a par with Gerrish.

You just have to take a look at the phony letters he writes here
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/i-question-your-impartiality-sir/
where he’s questioning Sherriff Bowen’s connection to freemasonry, to figure that out.

I smiled sardonically when I stumbled upon and read such shite as, “You Sherriff Bowen have used your Masonic influence to pervert the course of justice by denying Robert Green his ‘Human Right’ to an open and fair trial” and “I openly accuse you Sherriff Bowen of being a ‘corrupt’ Freemason.”

Who does this clown think he’s kidding?  They’re all in it together – slick bullshit artists.  McFerran and his ilk can only get away with their deceit and dirty trickery because of their allegiance to their puppet masters and protectors in the Craft.  It is high time these foolish men realised that freemasonry will not protect them forever.

Neither BG nor anyone else I wrote to in the ‘alternative media’ would interview the ‘Hoax’ team and no-one wanted the HDJ and the HGH teams to debate the issues. Take a look here
http://mckenzie-friends.co.uk/2013/11/17/belindas-battle-news-paedophilia-uk-here-we-come-big-time/  at Sabine McNeill’s November 2013 blog.

Warning, you’ll need your puke bucket at the ready. If your stomach can take any more, take a look at the slimy toerag Robert Green’s blogs http://robertgreensblog-holliegreigcampaign.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00Z&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=50
where he spews out more of the same shite – a shameless avalanche of naked lies and concoctions.

What a creep.

He, just like Gerrish and all the other Satan-serving lying disgusting fragments of faeces who make up the ‘controlled opposition’ should be thrown to the public to face frightening and painful public humiliation. Here
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/blog/index.php?id=i5ue7292
the Hoax group summarise and tear to shreds the ‘evidence’ RG uses to support his claims.  Incidentally the Hoax group believe RG is a mere victim of the hoax – if only it was that simple.  It isn’t; it’s far more sinister.

RG, Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, Gerrish et al are all very well paid loyal establishment [masonic] agents.  Hence why they’re protected and can continue this scam.

Why is BM not languishing in jail for funding terrorism or money laundering?

Instead she is now the head of the Association for Charities.  What a joke, when she was investigated by the UK Charities Commission and found to have been money laundering a sum of £5 million which she could not account for but which had passed through her account.  £75 million pounds was collected in Britain for Iran aid, but the money did not reach orphans or regugees.

Belinda illegally destroyed the accounts.  More details here
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-real—belinda-mckenzie.html
and here
http://robertgreenandthemissingpieces.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/nothing-to-hide-belinda.html

The corruption [all masonic] is many layered and mind blowing. Brian Gerrish informed me that £750,000 of the public’s money has been spent on this scandalous charade thus far.  The breathtakingly impudent HDJ gang want to spend more of our money – on a public enquiry.

The Green plant is trying to convince the public of a cover up.  Belinda McKenzie and collaborators ask “why the cover up if it’s a hoax?”  Such absurdity.

There was/is no cover up as there was/is nothing to cover up!  There is no need for an enquiry since no crime has been committed.  Well, not in the sense of a paedophile ring and the rape of Hollie Greig; the criminals are in fact the HDJ paedo protecting gangsters and anyone in connection with or promoting this spectacle and the only rape is that which is of the public purse.

In short the real criminals are the masonic ‘Hollie’s Army’ mafia and their lickspittle lackeys. The Scottish Establishment are under no obligation to respond to Robert Green or to any of Green’s HDJ co-collaborators.  They should look upon him and his friends as arrogant fools.

If the Scottish government are not beholden to freemasonry or any other shadow government they would do society a favour and lock up all of ‘Hollie’s army’ and associated shills/trolls/other NWO gatekeepers in a mental institution and throw away the key.

In my humble opinion however all the high ups in the Scottish establishment i.e the Masonic hierarchy are almost certainly in on the Hollie story, but not in the sense of a cover up of a paedophile ring and sexual crimes against HG as the HDJ mega disinfo merchants are trying to fool the public with.  There is overwhelming evidence that the HG story is an elaborate LIE.  Anyone with an ounce of moral fibre and especially those politicians who are supposed to be the people’s voice i.e the MPs [excuse me while I just throw up again] would be exposing the Hollie Hoax for what it is and they would reprimand all those people in the alternative media who support and promote it.  NO MP has exposed this scam.  They are all spineless, dishonest, pathetic vermin.  All of them willing to continue the pretence, happy in sweet servitude to their masonic rulers.  Actors, all of them, and getting paid big bucks from our hard earned taxes for dutifully toeing the line.  Cowardly scum.  All of them guilty of misappropriating public funds. Take a look at Green’s 14/8/13 blog re MPs.  Andrew George MP (Lib Dem) states “There seems to be a lot of evidence and allegations which point in one direction and indicate that this whole case deserves a thorough review – both in relation to Hollie`s father and many of the professionals with whom Hollie came into contact who have allegedly failed in their duties or even covered up important facts”.  David Ruffley MP, Government Minister (Conservative) says “The case of Hollie Greig is appalling. It seems that the Crown Office has concluded that there is insufficient evidence to bring proceedings.But why then has Hollie received compensation from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority?”  David Ward MP (Lib Dem) , mentions the comments of Andrew George, adding that Hollie had made allegations against a senior police officer (deceased) and a serving sheriff. He goes on to say that “Medical evidence can be sufficient to secure a conviction but the authorities must have the resolve to pursue these cases. Police forces must treat rape more seriously and be prepared to bring charges even without a formal complaint by the victim”.  John Hemming MP (Lib Dem) , discussing Green’s imprisonment over Hollie`s case states that “I would personally like to see the establishment of a parliamentary committee to look at a number of murky cases of which Hollie`s (and yours) is one.”  Nigel Farage, leader of UKIP, refers to the case as “strange and highly suspicious”, going on to reiterate his support for Green in the General Election for Green’s “remarkable and principled stand”.  NAUSEATING.   The onion of corruption is mind-blowing and a scandalous theft of the public purse.  Sabine offers help to her MP Lynne Featherstone who she says is “already challenging Children’s Services in this Borough…”  Lynne Featherstone would be wise to visit this site if she is seeking any truth in this area and wants any help. In his November 2013 blog Green gives his thanks to The People`s Voice (TPV) for inviting him to be interviewed by Sonia Poulton.  She is a Daily Mail columnist, works for David Icke and is friends with the Outlaw Jimmy Jones [more on him on my ‘War On Shills’].  The following links are worth a read.  Please note, just so’s you know, I do not endorse Tom Pride [see my W-O-S] however these posts and the comments are quite an eye opener.  See the Hollie Hoax’s ‘ reply to Sonia Polulton’s interview with Robert Green on The People’s Voice’ http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/video-s.html  At around 77 mins RG talks about his wonderful MPs.  At around 23 mins Sonia says she had invited onto her show the anti-campaigners who are the Hoax group.  Bare faced lying b….  They got no such invitation.  They had to approach her and ask for a right of reply.  She apparently agreed, only to then backtrack due to an alleged complaint from Ofcom.  Yeah right.  The bloody masons blocked it.  When you are a victim of freemasonry you are very familiar with the sneaky ways in which they operate.  Form your own opinion on Sonia Poulton.  I’ve already formed mine – she’s just another nasty piece of work – a sneaky lying paedo protector – and TPV are just another filthy shill propaganda radio/TV station.  Here are the links: Here http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/court-crime/danny_o_shea_trial_suspected_mob_organiser_not_violent_court_hears_1_2023543 Sonia is defending the suspects in the murder trial of a teen boy. Earthlinggb has cottoned on to the fact that “This alternative media is a bigger joke than the mainstream!”  He questions Sonia Poulton’s journalistic integrity in connection with Icke and Savile here http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/tag/sonia-poulton/ http://tompride.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/this-is-what-you-get-when-you-dare-to-question-a-tabloid-journalist-in-the-uk/ http://tompride.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/how-i-got-caught-up-in-a-cyberwar-over-victims-of-child-sexual-abuse/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-trolling-of-tom-pride-reblog/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/in-adeybobs-own-words/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/sue-me-an-open-response-to-the-lupethelupe-blog/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/teamoutlaw/ Yet another disgusting paedo protecting site which I had the misfortune to stumble upon here http://holliegreig.info/2012/01/trial-day-4-a-day-with-grampian-police/ revealed more about Chris Spivey.  On the ‘recent’ comments section are links to Spiv’s site: ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on MP challenges Scottish Government over lack of prosecutions in Hollie Greig case ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on Angiolini challenged over paedophile ring activity involving serving Sheriff ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on Trial Day 5: Last Day of the Prosecution ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on 93% say Angiolini should say who paid legal bill.   However when I clicked on, I got the message “404 page not found”.  Well, well, wonder what Spivey is trying to hide!  I have now copy/pasted his 10th August 2013 post here just in case he removes it.  The irony is that in that post he is exposing parliamentary paedophiles.  Such hypocrisy!  Chris Spivey, famous name in the conspiraworld is himself another porky pie telling PAEDOPHILE PROTECTOR, along with all the other foul paedo protectors – Icke, Gerrish, Baloney …  It is easy to see how we genuine speakers of truth are getting no-where in our efforts to expose corruption and the NWO agenda and to make the world a better place despite all the seemingly massive exposure of the truth from the so-called ‘alternative media’.

 

 

As for removing posts, Hollie’s ‘army’ are famous for this.  When forced to change their story they remove their videos, blogs etc.   If you listen to the videos put out by the H Hoax people you will see that HDJ have a habit of removing evidence that expose their lies. On another page of the S.C.U.M [appropriately named!] filthy shill site   http://holliegreig.info/2012/01/trial-day-5-last-day-of-the-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-21206 the following is stated: “We will quote directly from Dr Harding’s report: “When asked if anyone else had ever touched her she immediately said Sylvia. She explained that Sylvia was her father’s cousin. Surprised at this, I asked her how Sylvia had touched her. She clasped her own breast… She also mentioned other people such as Sylvia’s husband who is a policeman”. At the end of her report Dr Harding confirmed her belief that Hollie had been systematically sexually abused by her father and brother “and probably by others who had access to her.” This quite clearly included the Majors.”  Listen to the usual garbage that comes out of RG’s filthy mouth on the Hoax video re Sonia Poulton [around 41 mins] http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/video-s.html   Something tells me we’ll never see Dr Harding’s report!  Remember The Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland Jim Martin states in his PCCS report [p23] that Superintendent J noted in the Subject Report that the psychologist reports were not acted upon in the sense that they did not prompt any further enquiry. The internet is awash with an ever increasing parade of Illuminati puppets promoting the HG story.  They just keep on popping up out of nowhere, brazenly making things up!  The ruling elite must be soiling their pants since they are having to employ a never ending line of soulless, spineless, immoral stooges to try and suppress the truth. I think it is safe to conclude that anyone who supports the Hollie Greig story is a low-life lying paedo-loving individual who needs to be publicly named and shamed. Wyn says she has called the police many times to report the actions of the people publicly naming her, leafleting her street and others, harassing her friends etc, but nothing comes of it because according to the police these people haven’t done anything criminal.  WHAT???  Oh yes they have.  They’ve committed numerous crimes.  Incitement to hatred is one crime.  Defaming is another.  Plundering the public purse is another… And what about the crimes against Hollie Greig?  Her mother Anne Greig is guilty of the crime of domestic violence/child abuse against Hollie.  [In the eyes of the court Hollie is still considered to be a child].  Anne Greig and her henchmen and women are guilty of the crime of exploitation of Hollie.  As for the crimes of the State, there is the usual corruption within all the authorities and judiciary.  Social Services managers are guilty of dereliction of duty in their failure to protect Hollie from her deranged and abusive mother and place her somewhere safe with someone who loves her and will look after her.  Her brother Greg maybe?  They should have used the emergency powers available to them to step in immediately and remove Hollie to safety.  The police also should have assisted SS.  Not only have they failed to protect Hollie, they have failed to protect 22+ innocent people who have been completely wrongly accused of the most heinous of crimes and who suffer constant bullying at the hands of a gang of psychopaths masquerading as Hollie Greig’s protectors.  The police and CPS have enough evidence to arrest, charge and convict Anne Greig, Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, Ian McFerran, Brian Gerrish and all the bloody rest of them.  If Wyn or any of the other falsely accused do suffer vigilante justice, the police will be guilty of misconduct in public office.  See the case of Bijan Ebrahimi  http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/28/vigilante-lee-james-life-murdering-bijan-ebrahimi People reading this will know that the real reason nothing is done is because the Hollie Greig story is all one mega-massive masonic scam.  People are slowly waking up to that fact.  Now, if the likes of Sheriff Bowen and all the other professional people involved in this, no matter what rank they are – all the police officers, social workers, fire officers, court staff, Craiginches prison staff … if they could just take their professional hats off for a minute and become human beings with conscience, they could help us quicken this full awakening by helping us expose the full truth surrounding the HG story and the real criminals involved. We can actually thank the shills for one thing, they are doing a brilliant job awakening the sheople to some degree.  Now all we have to do is get their listeners to listen to us – the 100% truth tellers.  I myself was stuck in half-truther land for years; it was Hollie Greig and the drama surrounding her that snapped me out of that!  We have much to thank Hollie Greig for. Wyn says they have looked into suing Anne but were told it would cost thousands.  Please will someone give Wyn and Sylvia the money they need, not just to sue Anne, but all the low-life scum of the earth who surround her too.  If someone on the Hoax team wants to start some fund raising, I will gladly donate. Finally I believe the Hoax group when they say their site was taken down due to a complaint to their hosting company.  The masons will have been behind that; as was the case when my site was pulled.  I don’t believe the HDJ group when they say [2/5/13] that the same happened to them due to “anonymous allegations of defamation”.  What a crock of shit. At least 22 totally innocent people have been accused of the vile crime of paedophilia.  Some of them have been named.  Their lives are now in grave danger.  Every day they face the possibility of vigilante justice from well-meaning but duped individuals.  Shame on you Anne Greig, Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, Brian Gerrish, Ian McFerran, David Icke, Ian R Crane, Bill Maloney and all the rest of you – far too many to name – filthy paedophile protecting evil criminal agents of the State.  I hope you get your just deserts soon.  Every one of you is a pathetic excuse of a human being and you all deserve to rot in hell. But it’s still not too late.

Find Jesus, fess up and save your souls.

Do it now though, before it’s too late.

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Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/12/2013

Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?
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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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‘The People’s Voice’ not so much for the people 

tpvspIn her programme, ‘Sonia Poulton – Live’ on ‘The People’s Voice’ channel, she recently had a guest by the name of Robert Green who spoke about an alleged abuse case in Scotland concerning a woman with Down’s syndrome called Hollie Greig.

Up until I watched the show I knew little of the accusations, only that someone alleged that there was a paedophile ring operating in Aberdeen which allegedly involved prominent members of the community, including police, the local sheriff, social services, medical staff, and others.

Watching the programme, I noticed there seemed to be a lot of inconsistencies in what Green was saying, and he didn’t give any real evidence of his claims. Something just didn’t seem right about the overall feel of the programme, so I started to take a look on the internet to try and find a little more information.

Surprisingly, most of what I found was repetition of the same story Green had relayed on the programme, even some of the same inconsistencies. A closer look revealed that most of the information was not based on any evidence whatsoever, and some of the connections made in the case on various websites were so tenuous I could not understand how an experienced journalist could not have had some serious doubts about the case, or asked Green some very hard questions.

After all, according to the promotional material of the streaming channel it is supposed to be unbiased, give all sides a right to their say, and ask the ‘hard questions’. It seems that all of those admirable journalistic claims did not apply to this episode.

I am not going to go into detail about the case, and all I can say is look for yourself. There is far more REAL evidence to cast serious doubt on Green’s account of the story than there is REAL evidence to back up Green’s claims – it is a total sham as far as I can see.

As I was looking around, I thought I would have a look at Sonia Poulton’s Twitter feed – and there was revealed just how bias the report on her programme was.

The Twitter conversation (or whatever it is called) involved Sonia Poulton and a user called ‘Hollie Greig Hoax’ who are apparently some of the people accused by Green of being involved in the allegations of a paedophile ring.

It was certainly an interesting read. Apparently, Sonia Poulton has refused to allow the accused to reply! It sounds more like the a modern case of the Pendle Witches than fair reporting and allowing all sides to have their say. She also stated that Green has ‘incredible evidence’ – now does that mean ‘unbelievable’ and difficult to believe, or does it mean ‘marvellous’ – look up the definition .

A little further digging revealed more about how Sonia Poulton treated the ‘accused’ in this case. Apparently, after Sonia Poulton refused to engage any further in the Twitter ‘conversation’, the ‘accused’ sent her a Skype request – which she also refused. If that were not enough, apparently Sonia Poulton hung-up when she was telephoned to discuss the report and the ‘accused’ right to appear on her programme. You can read about it on the Hollie Greig Hoax website.

When I started to look into Green a little bit further, it seems he has been warned many times to stop spreading his defamatory claims, even being imprisoned for his behaviour during which he sent letters to neighbours of the 22 people he accused of being involved stating they were paedophiles. The reason he has been warned is that he has NO evidence to make such claims! Incredible that he just doesn’t get the message, and even MORE incredible that supposed journalists don’t check their information before broadcasting Green’s claims.

It seems Green only likes journalists who will buy-in to his lies.

Green approached respected BBC investigative journalist Mark Daly, who has been involved in many of the biggest journalistic exposures of corruption and child abuse in the UK.

According to Green, a programme was commissioned by the BBC and was ‘pulled’ during the last week of production. This is yet another blatant lie by Green. After looking at Green’s version of events and the so-called ‘evidence’ he gave the reporter, the BBC decided they were not interested.

In a reply to Green, Mark Daly stated “I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

There is an interesting interview with Mark Daly about Green and his claims on YouTube.

So why on earth would Sonia Poulton think that anything Robert Green had to say in his accusations was true without checking first. This man has a long history of being unreliable at the very least.

‘The People’s Voice’? I don’t think so – more like a ‘channel’ to support ridiculous and tenuous conspiracy theories bandied about by anyone.

I had though (and hoped) that ‘The People’s Voice’ was capable of delivering what it said it could, but obviously it can’t.

The programming seems to be rapidly turning into a minority channel for followers of Icke and the usual conspiracy brigade, rather than a credible source of reliable and unbiased information. It is a shame, because there are some subjects that do warrant our attention, but are mixed in with other ‘stuff’.

Mainstream media is certainly not perfect and seems biased. But at least there may be a semblance of reliable information that you can make your own mind up about through intelligent analysis and research. I can only describe ‘The People’s Voice’ as an alternative version of the same but with more sensationalism and misdirection. Perhaps that’s why some of Icke’s celebrity chums didn’t get together and finance it.

I certainly won’t be watching. I did donate in the foolish belief that this was going to be something that was really worthwhile supporting – I have since cancelled. I would rather give my cash to people I meet who deserve it rather than fund this amateurish propaganda machine.

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Obviously, based on factual information and provable evidence YOU must believe what you wish but without admissible evidence that Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused or any legitimate evidence that her uncle Roy Greig died in anything other than tragic circumstances committing suicide whilst drunk and under suspension from his job as subject of a police inquiry then may I suggest you do all you can to expose the lies of Robert Green, David Icke, Brian Gerrish, Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, Anne Greig and the claque of criminal fools aiding them.

I freely concede I was amongst those who were fooled by the lies and not only apologised but have done as much as I can to expose those lies ever since it became clear to me that no sound evidence has ever been produced to indicate Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused nor that Roy Greig did not commit suicide.

When Robert Green & Stuart Usher printed and distributed a list of those they swore were perpetrators and victims of child abuse I misguidedly published the list on the web log which I set up and maintained for Anne Greig at the time.

I u7nreservedly apologise for my gullibility at the time and have published my apology alongside the list ever since to ensure there is absolutely no doubt that the list is a total fabrication by Anne Greig & Robert Green as published and distributed by Robert Green & Stuart Usher.

Sonia Poulton has claimed she has seen incredible evidence in support of Robert Green’s stories – I believe it is incumbent on her to publish the evidence or disambiguate the term ‘incredible’ and admit it was not credible and that she was duped, as was I, she has a duty to expose the lies and apologise for her part in promoting them.

As I have done.
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The Holly Greig Hoax & The Lies of Her Abusers

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 18/12/2013

The Holly Greig Hoax & The Lies of Her Abusers

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Although opinion is bound to be divided, and while some campaigners & individuals still add things up wrong, the evidence is irrefutable.

The Mackie family were like any other middle class happy family. Like most, they’ve had their troubles but they were a loving family with many friends. Sadly though, in 1997 Anne Greig’s brother, Robert (known as Roy), committed suicide. He was found in a burning car and died of smoke inhalation. At that time Anne never questioned his death as anything other than suicide – confirmed to us by her best friend Wyn Dragon-Smith.
The PCCS report (independent Police investigation into Anne’s complaints) also suggests Anne was somewhat unconcered with the manner of Roy’s death:


Roy’s death only became a conspiracy with the arrival of Robert Green.

However, because of her brother’s estate, Anne, suspected her solicitor Ian MacDonald of defrauding her from an inheritance she not only expected from her mother’s passing some years before, but now from her brother. Anne complained to the Law society of Scotland and began to obsess on the internet, researching until the early hours of the morning which continued for almost 3 years.

Despite her efforts nothing came of her complaints because there was no evidence of any criminality – confirmed again in the PCCS report:


In the year 2000 things began to get worse. Her husband Denis and best friend Wyn accompanied Anne to her GP as she was showing signs of paranoia. After the visit, Anne exclaimed “he was yet another one of those against me.” She later changed to a different GP. Further testimony from Wyn, Denis and her son Greg, informs us she became more and more paranoid, insisting her business acquaintances, family and friends were all against her. She suspected her husband of having an affair, which was untrue – and when Greg and Denis tried in vain to talk some sense into her one evening, a family argument ensued and she bit her son Greg severely on the arm and ran out of the house at midnight in nothing but her nightdress.

Then came very serious allegations – allegations that would grow and grow, and which Anne would be unable to turn back on.

In May 2000 she accused her husband of abusing their daughter Hollie, and over the following months the list of abusers grew and grew as Anne alleged Hollie revealed more and more names.

On 19th May 2000 Hollie was interviewed by Grampian Police and again on 24th May. Hollie mentioned a number of names, some of which simply did not exist. Hollies’ father Denis was interviewed, and her brother Greg a while later – but there was no corroborative evidence. Some of the other names could not be interviewed – how can the Police interview none existent people?

It was clear Hollie was loyal to her mother.

Forensic medical evidence taken from Hollie showed no signs of abuse – only that Hollie was not a virgin. Hollie was a 20yr old woman – with boyfriend.

Anne ostracised all her family and friends and Hollies’ family broke up with her father moving to live in the family home in Portugal as Anne sold their house in Aberdeen. Hollies brother, Greg, stayed in Aberdeen for a while renting a flat from his Aunt Sylvia – (Denis’s cousin) – but around a year later when he was finding it hard to find work, he too went to live with his father in Portugal. He now has his own home and young family but it’s safe to say he still suffers from this traumatic experience.

There is no doubt Anne suffered some kind of mental breakdown and there is plenty of medical evidence that proves that including a report from an independent Psychiatrist she visited. Anne was sectioned into a mental health institution for a short while and Hollie was put into the care system, but eventually Anne and Hollie were reunited.

Over the following years Anne moved from Aberdeen to Shrewsbury in Shropshire.

Her campaign continued there, as did her complaints to Grampian Police for which there was a separate investigation and a Police and Crime Commissioner for Scotland (PCCS) report was made.

ANNE WAS CONSISTENTLY MISTAKING PEOPLE AS IN THIS SECTION OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS (PCCS) REPORT… person ‘U’  is Helen McDonald Hollie’s social worker.

“As a footnote to his enquiries Superintendent J noted that he was aware that the complainer had provided an association chart to the force detailing her perceived connections between the individuals X named as her abusers. He stated that in this chart reference was made to Detective Sergeant F having contact with Person U in the context of a local pantomime and living in the same area as her. Superintendent J noted that a short statement was taken from Person U who advised that she had never met Detective Sergeant F prior to, or subsequent to, him noting a statement from her in the course of his enquiries. She also stated that whilst she had never performed in pantomime with him, she was in pantomime with an ex-police officer. Superintendent J stated that this officer has not featured in any of the complainer’s concerns. He also noted that Detective Sergeant F did not live in the same area as Person U.”


In 2009, Anne was introduced to Robert Green – an ex travel agent who was a partner in Mosley Travel in Warrington. Robert was to become Anne’s spokesperson and he labelled himself as her Lay legal advisor, investigator and journalist.


An internet campaign was born that became known as “Hollie Demands Justice.

This website is now run by Belinda McKenzie.

 

   


Belinda is a self-proclaimed truth campaigner, 911 conspiracy theorist, and alien believer.

           

A Facebook group had over 27,000 members and the story went viral on the internet and continued to grow.

Anne, Hollie and Robert travelled the country attending different speaking engagements and the names of abusers grew evermore into a full blown paedophile ring “going to the very top of the Scottish Judiciary.”

The link to the Scottish Judiciary came about because Anne mistook Graeme Buchanan for another solicitor with a similar name who was involved in her attempted divorce from Denis. To date. Anne & Denis are still married.

Robert and Anne claimed the abuse of Hollie occurred in the house of the Sheriff’s sister – only the Sheriff has no sister.

They later claimed the abuse took place in the home of the Sheriff’s sister-in-law – but again the Sheriff has no sister-in-law.

Eventually Anne was summoned to the Royal Courts of Justice in London by Shropshire Council and told to stop parading her daughter around the country and a court order was put in force.

A whole network of “Alternative Media” & so called “Truth Campaigners” jumped on the band wagon – and the number of donate buttons on websites rocketed!

Stands were set up outside speaking events in order to inform and sell their wares!

                                          

Wyn Dragon-Smith and her husband David, Sylvia Major and her husband Terry including Hollie’s carer were all accused of being paedophiles among many more of Anne’s friends, relatives and business acquaintances. Robert also included the children of Hollies carer as victims and persistently claimed these things were never investigated. This document & of course the PCCS report shows that to be untrue.

Wyn and Sylvia’s children were named as child victims that were abused along with Hollie – Robert stated that Hollie and the other children were taken in a minibus to the home of the Sheriff’s sister to be abused. in reality these children never even met Hollie until she was in her late teens and all of them have made public statements saying they were never abused.

Robert sent letters to the neighbours of 22 innocently accused individuals including Wyn and Sylvia telling them they were living next door to paedophiles causing them fear and alarm – a crime he later served a prison sentence for.

Anne and Robert claimed the BBC allegedly commissioned a programme with the prominent investigative journalist, Mark Daly.

Mark claimed a programme was never commissioned, and when he investigated their claims they were informed no programme would be made.

Robert and Anne accused Mark of a cover up – Mark’s reply:

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

 

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

 

Mark Daly.


An organisation called “The UK Column” became involved and individuals named Brian Gerrish and Lou Collins joined the campaign along with the well-known conspiracy theorist David Icke, promoting the cause all over the internet.

       



It is reported that Hollie suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder which is no surprise when you consider Hollie lost the family she had known for 20 years and the many friends she had in Aberdeen. Her life was torn apart by the illness suffered by her mother.

In the end it sparked a national newspaper article written by David Leask of the Scottish Herald.

Sadly, this campaign still continues today for a few misguided supporters that simply cannot believe the truth.

These are the facts for which there is plenty of evidence – Now, here is the story reported by Robert Green on their website Hollie Demands Justice with our own truthful additions.

In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father.

 

Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan. Anne has admitted in many reports including on Sky TV that she did not “immediately” report anything to the Police, but told Hollie to tell her social worker. Terry Major was the chief fingerprint expert – a civilian employee. Graeme Buchanan was mixed up with another solicitor with a similar name as we have said above. All these discrepancies from the confused and paranoid mind of a mentally ill woman.

 

 

Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place. The Forensic medical evidence showed Hollie was not a virgin – she was a 20yr old woman with a boyfriend and there was nothing to suggest any sort of abuse that has allegedly been going on unnoticed by Anne for 14 years!

Regardless of Hollie’s boyfriends, the PCCS report also casts doubt on the “abuse” allegation, and shows what lenghts Anne will go to:



More importantly, the PCCS report points out that the forensic medical evidence stated:


If there was no medical evidence of recent sexual activity, how could Hollie have been “shared with a satanic paedophile ring” as stated by Robert Green?

Hollies testimony was questioned by DC Davidson who said in one correspondence that she thought Anne was putting words into Hollies mouth


Also the PCCS report doubted the veracity Hollies testimony:


The Police transcript of Hollie’s claims, clearly showed Hollie simply repeating the same things over and over again. There was a distinct lack of any detail regarding her surroundings like the colour of the bed clothes or wallpaper in the room.

The “other evidence” Robert refers to is a report by Dr Jack Boyle. His report can be read here and clearly shows he does not confirm the veracity of Hollie’s claims. Moreover, the majority of the report is based on what Anne has explained to him.

Dame Elish Angiolini is completely innocent of Robert’s allegations as this document proves.

 

 

In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur. There were several medical experts that concluded Anne was suffering from paranoid delusions which included both her GP’s and psychiatric doctors at The Royal Cornhill Mental Institution. There were also many other professionals that were concerned about Anne’s mental health and many documents show this. Hollie was never handed back to her father as Denis was working away on oil rigs at the time. Anne did obtain an independent psychiatrist report and although Robert and Anne say this report claims Anne was perfectly sane it states clearly that she could have suffered irrational and psychotic behaviour.

 

 

In the years that have followed, Anne Greig has persisted in her attempts to bring the abusers to justice, not only for the sake of her own children, but also to prevent these dreadful practices continuing against others, which includes adults with learning difficulties as well as children.

 

It was only in 2009, when the News Of The World courageously broke the story, concentrating on the hitherto unheard of fact that Hollie had received payments from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority for crimes that have not even been investigated. The criminal injuries compensation scheme which is set by Parliament, compensates people based on the injuries they sustain not the crime of which they were a victim. When they make a payment they state that the payment is not a sign of guilt on behalf of the accused and should not be taken this way. Also, as D.I. Alley of Grampian Police said in one correspondence :- “The Police will always take what a witness says at face value unless there is some evidence which casts doubt on this. However, even in cases where doubt exists, it is not the business of the police to do other than ensure that all the evidence in relation to that doubt is placed before the Court. It is in Court that credibility is ultimately judged.”  

It can be a little difficult to understand how CICA work – but once you understand their operating procedures and the Police’s operating procedures, it’s easy to see why Hollie was made a payment.

However, CICA have a long history of making payments for none existent crimes:

     

The measures to cover up this terrible terrible story continue unbounded by the authorities. This case has been investigated twice and a independent investigation was also carried out (PCCS) because of Anne’s complaints. At first both Denis and Greig were interviewed under caution, & the second time it was investigated was shortly before Robert Green’s trial for breach of the peace after he casused fear, alarm and endangered both Wyn, Sylvia and their neighbours in 2010. Wyn, Sylvia and their children were all interviewed. Consequently, a great deal of public money has been spent on this false and defamatory case.

Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts.

 

Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation. The family home in Portugal is over 100 miles away from where Madeleine McCann disappeared – there is no evidence to substantiate Roberts other claims.

 

Investigators have already informed us that discoveries of other paedophile rings in Scotland has been discovered, but it is clear that certain senior figures of authority are prepared to obstruct the course of justice and allow the known sexual abuse of some of society`s most vulnerable people to continue unabated, just to save their own skins. Robert has never produced any evidence to substantiate any of these allegations.

 

The Hollie Greig story is now widely known by the media, police, legal, medical and political professions.

 

The facts are beyond dispute.

 

The only question that remains will be as to who has sufficient decency and courage to bring this and other issues to a just conclusion.

 

Robert Green
Investigator


The Facts are that Robert Green is a fantasist – he has made claims that a group of individuals, some of whom don’t exist are members of a paedophile ring abusing children who have made public statements saying they were never abused, in a house that could not exist because the person that allegedly owned it does not exist.

Yet even after serving a jail sentence, Robert Green continues to blog and unjustly accuses innocent people to this very day! He is doing nothing more than persecuting innocent people, exploiting a disabled woman and perpetuating the illness of Anne Greig.

The supporting network of organisations like The UK Column and David Icke are simply in it because it makes “good copy” and pulls in an audience. An audience that seems not to realise they are being exploited emotionally, financially or both!

But that is nothing compared to the damage suffered by the innocent individuals being falsely named as paedophiles – and of course the exploitation of a disabled woman and the perpetuation of Anne’s illness….

Here are the conclusion of the PCCS report.








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The original can be viewed at CLICK HERE

As the original author has failed to put their name to it I take the liberty of reproducing it here, and commenting where I believe it is apposite.

I have republished the site as every statement I am able to check seems accurate and fair.

Particularly I have republished it as there is every possibility that the web site in question may be arbitrarily removed or the site owners may buckle to the bullying, corruption, criminality and dishonesty of those seeking to promote the Hollie Greig ‘STORIES’ as promoted by liars, self seekers, scoundrels and abusers like Robert Green, Anne MacKie alias Greig, Stephen Milne, Brian Gerrish, Belinda McKenzie, John Taylor, David Icke and a host of other low lifes and liars of lesser relevance, pond life  like Matt Quinn, George McKendrick and their ilk.
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