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Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/05/2014

Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I take the liberty from time to time of adding material from third party sites of merit, as due to the dishonesty and their own gain and many of the low lifes and criminals associated with the promotion of the indisputable hoax surrounding the fantasy claims of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and various false claims surrounding the scam.

 

Let us not forget that despite numerous Police investigations, medical reports and various other investigations to date not one shred of credible admissible evidence has EVER been presented to support the stories yet some are still trying to support the scam despite its undeniable exposure as a hoax by myself and many others several years ago!

 

Therefore I reproduce various valid articles which may be interferred with, hacked or removed by those dishonestly supporting the Hollie Greig scam – as was my own detailed, documented and cross referenced site that exposed the hoax originally, which the deviants, liars and low lifes were unable to refute, disprove or counter so they resorted to lies, defamation and hacking to try to suppress the reasoned and detailed facts proving the ‘stories’ surrounding Hollie Greig and the suicide of her uncle Roy Greig etc.

The Hoax

Although opinion is bound to be divided, and while some campaigners & individuals still add things up wrong, the evidence is irrefutable. The Mackie family were like any other middle class happy family. Like most, they’ve had their troubles but they were a loving family with many friends.
This is the story of how Anne Greig suffered a breakdown after the death of her mother and brother. The paranoid delusions Anne suffered had shocking consequences not only for her family and friends, but many of her in-laws including her husbands business associates.However, It didn’t stop there.

Over time, Anne accused many different individuals she felt had crossed her in some way, including the Sheriff who presided over her “incomplete” divorce, of sexually abusing her daughter, Hollie. This abuse allegedly spanned a 14yr period and started when Hollie was aged 6.

But in her confused and paranoid state of mind she chose a different Sheriff but one with a similar name to label with her vile accusations.

Detective Constable Durward interviewed Hollie on 19th May 2000 accompanied by Nicola Foot, appropriate adult. On the 24th May 2000, Hollie was interviewed again by DC Durward with Nicola foot present.

Hollie was eventually interviewed for a third time by DC Evans & Sarah Bennett as Appropriate Adult on 8th September 2009 in the Belvoire Suite, Shrewsbury.

Neither were convinced by Hollies’ testimony as we see later in the PCCS report.

All of this started after the death of Anne’s brother in 1997.

Robert Greig (known as Roy), committed suicide on 17th November 1997.

He was found in a burning car and died of smoke inhalation.
Smoke Inhalation

At that time Anne never questioned his death as anything other than suicide – confirmed to us by her best friend Wyn Dragon-Smith.

When Anne’s mother passed, she left the majority of her estate to her son Roy. When Roy passed, his estate amounted to very little.Anne suspected her solicitor Ian MacDonald of defrauding her from an inheritance she not only expected from her mother’s passing, but now from her brother.

Therefore, Mr McDonald’s name was added to the list of other alleged abusers.
Robert Green’s list of abusers

She complained to the Law society of Scotland and began to obsess on the internet, researching until the early hours of the morning which continued for almost 3 years.

Anne reported what she thought to be fraud to Grampian Police, but because Anne believed they had not acted appropriately regarding her complaints and allegations, she made a further complaint and requested an independent review.

Briefly jump forward now to July 2008, Jim Martin, the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland produced an independent report into all of Anne’s complaints – referred to here as The PCCS report.
PCCS REPORT

Despite her efforts nothing came of her complaints to either the Law Society or Grampian Police – because there was no evidence of any criminality confirmed in the PCCS report:

Back to the beginning now and in the year 2000 things began to get worse. Her husband Denis and best friend Wyn accompanied Anne to her GP as she was showing signs of paranoia. After the visit, Anne exclaimed “he was yet another one of those against me.” She later changed to a different GP.Further testimony from Wyn, Denis and her son Greg, informs us she became more and more paranoid, insisting her business acquaintances, family and friends were all against her. She suspected her husband of having an affair, which was untrue – and when Greg and Denis tried in vain to talk some sense into her one evening, a family argument ensued and she bit her son Greg severely on the arm and ran out of the house at midnight in nothing but her nightdress.
Anne’s Mental Health

Then came very serious abuse allegations – allegations that would grow and grow, and which Anne would be unable to turn back on.In May 2000 she accused her husband of abusing their daughter Hollie, and over the following months the list of abusers grew and grew as Anne alleged Hollie revealed more and more names.

On 19th May 2000 Hollie was interviewed by Grampian Police and again on 24th May. Hollie mentioned a number of names, some of which simply did not exist. Hollies’ father Denis was interviewed, and her brother Greg a while later – but there was no corroborative evidence. Some of the other names could not be interviewed – how can the Police interview none existent people?

It was clear Hollie was loyal to her mother.

Forensic medical evidence taken from Hollie showed no signs of abuse – only that Hollie was not a virgin.
No Evidence of Abuse

Hollie was a 20yr old woman with boyfriend.

Anne ostracised all her family and friends and Hollies’ family broke up with her father moving to live in the family home in Portugal as Anne sold their house in Aberdeen. Hollies brother, Greg, stayed in Aberdeen for a while renting a flat from his Aunt Sylvia – (Denis’s cousin) – but around a year later when he was finding it hard to find work, he too went to live with his father in Portugal. He now has his own home and young family but it’s safe to say he still suffers from this traumatic experience.There is no doubt Anne suffered some kind of mental breakdown and as we have seen there is plenty of medical evidence that proves that – including Anne’s own independent Psychiatrists report. Anne was sectioned into a mental health institution for a short while and Hollie was put into the care system, but eventually Anne and Hollie were reunited.

Over the following years Anne moved from Aberdeen to Shrewsbury in Shropshire.

Her campaign continued there, as did her complaints to Grampian Police which is why the (PCCS) report was made.

ANNE WAS CONSTANTLY MISTAKING PEOPLE IN HER ALLEGATIONS AS THIS SECTION OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS (PCCS) REPORT SHOWS… person ‘U’ is Helen McDonald, Hollie’s social worker.

“As a footnote to his enquiries Superintendent J noted that he was aware that the complainer had provided an association chart to the force detailing her perceived connections between the individuals X named as her abusers. He stated that in this chart reference was made to Detective Sergeant F having contact with Person U in the context of a local pantomime and living in the same area as her. Superintendent J noted that a short statement was taken from Person U who advised that she had never met Detective Sergeant F prior to, or subsequent to, him noting a statement from her in the course of his enquiries. She also stated that whilst she had never performed in pantomime with him, she was in pantomime with an ex-police officer. Superintendent J stated that this officer has not featured in any of the complainer’s concerns. He also noted that Detective Sergeant F did not live in the same area as Person U.”


In 2009, Anne was introduced to Robert Green by her friend, Stuart Usher.

Robert Green is an ex travel agent who was a partner in Mosley Travel in Warrington. Robert was to become Anne’s spokesperson and he labelled himself as her Lay legal advisor, investigator and journalist.
The real Robert Green

Robert produced many YouTube video’s where he explained the campaign including his allegations about Roy’s death.Just like Hollies’ false abuse, Roy’s suicide turned into a full blown conspiracy also – he cleverly put together a string of events around his death that on the surface suggested some wrong doing.

One of these events was to suggest that Sylvester Cadger, the man who tried to save Roy by pulling him from the burning car and giving him CPR until the ambulance arrived, was in fact the murderer.

However, the PCCS PCCS REPORTreport also show’s that Anne was somewhat unconcerned regarding the surroundings of the death of her brother – which confirms the testimony of Wyn Dragon-Smith.

An internet campaign was born that became known as “Hollie Demands Justice.” hollie Demands Justice
A lady called Belinda Mckenzie also joined the campaign. Belinda is a self-proclaimed truth campaigner, 911 conspiracy theorist, and alien believer.
The Real Belinda McKenzie
The campaigns Facebook group had over 27,000 members and the story went viral on the internet and continued to grow.
Anne, Hollie and Robert travelled the country attending different speaking engagements and the names of abusers grew evermore into a full blown paedophile ring “going to the very top of the Scottish Judiciary.”The link to the Scottish Judiciary came about because Anne mistook Graeme Buchanan for another solicitor with a similar name who was involved in her attempted divorce from Denis. To date. Anne & Denis are still married.

Robert and Anne claimed the abuse of Hollie occurred in the house of the Sheriff’s sister – only the Sheriff has no sister!

They later claimed the abuse took place in the home of the Sheriff’s sister-in-law – but again the Sheriff has no sister-in-law.Eventually Anne was summoned to the Royal Courts of Justice in London by Shropshire Council and told to stop parading her daughter around the country and a court order was put in force.

A whole network of “Alternative Media” & so called “Truth Campaigners” jumped on the band wagon – and the number of donate buttons on websites rocketed!

Wyn Dragon-Smith and her husband David, Sylvia Major and her husband Terry, and Hollie’s carer were all accused of being paedophiles among many more of Anne’s friends, relatives and business acquaintances as we have seen in the list. Robert also included the children of Hollies carer as victims and persistently claimed these things were never investigated.This document, including the PCCS report shows that to be untrue.
No Investigation?

Wyn and Sylvia’s children were named as child victims that were abused along with Hollie – Robert stated that Hollie and the other children were taken in a minibus to the home of the Sheriff’s sister to be abused. in reality these children never even met Hollie until she was in her late teens and all of them have made public statements saying they were never abused.
Public Statements

Robert sent letters to the neighbours of 22 innocently accused individuals including Wyn and Sylvia telling them they were living next door to paedophiles causing them fear, alarm and distress – a crime he later served a prison sentence for.
Prison Sentence

Anne and Robert claimed the BBC allegedly commissioned a programme with the prominent investigative journalist, Mark Daly.

Mark stated a programme was never commissioned, and when he investigated their claims, Anne and Robert were informed no programme would be made.Robert and Anne accused Mark of a cover up – Mark’s reply:

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

Mark Daly.

An organisation called “The UK Column” became involved and individuals named Brian Gerrish and Lou Collins joined the campaign along with the well-known conspiracy theorist David Icke.
The UK Column Lou Collins David Icke

They began promoting the cause all over the internet and spoke of it at different speaking engagements.

It is reported that Hollie suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder which is no surprise when you consider Hollie lost the family she had known for 20 years and the many friends she had in Aberdeen. Her life was torn apart by the illness suffered by her mother.In the end it sparked a national newspaper article written by David Leask of the Scottish Herald.

Sadly, this campaign still continues today for a few misguided supporters that simply cannot believe the truth.These are the facts for which there is plenty of evidence – Now, here is the story reported by Robert Green on their website Hollie Demands Justice with our own “truthful” additions.

“In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father. Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.”

Anne has admitted in many reports including on Sky TV that she did not “immediately” report anything to the Police, but told Hollie to tell her social worker.
Sky TV Interview

Terry Major was the chief fingerprint expert – a civilian employee. Graeme Buchanan was mixed up with another solicitor with a similar name as we have said above. All these discrepancies from the confused and paranoid mind of a mentally ill woman.


“Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place.”

The Forensic medical evidence showed Hollie was not a virgin – she was a 20yr old woman with a boyfriend and there was nothing to suggest any sort of abuse that has allegedly been going on unnoticed by Anne for 14 years!

Regardless of Hollie’s boyfriends, the PCCS report also casts doubt on the “abuse” allegation, and shows what lengths Anne will go to:


More importantly, the PCCS report points out that the forensic medical evidence stated:
So there was no medical evidence of recent sexual activity. Therefore is it possible Hollie was “shared with a satanic paedophile ring” as stated by Robert Green and show no evidence of abuse?
Hollies testimony was questioned by DC Davidson who said in one correspondence that she thought Anne was putting words into Hollies mouth
Anne putting words into Hollies’ mouthAgain – PCCS report also doubted the veracity Hollies testimony:

The Police transcript of Hollie’s claims, clearly showed Hollie simply repeating the same things over and over again. There was a distinct lack of any detail regarding her surroundings like the colour of the bed clothes or wallpaper in the room.The “other evidence” Robert refers to is a report by Dr Jack Boyle. His report can be read here:
The Boyle Report

It clearly shows he does not confirm the veracity of Hollie’s claims. Moreover, the majority of the report is based on what Anne has explained to him.

Dame Elish Angiolini is completely innocent of Robert’s allegations as this document proves:
Crown Office

“In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur.”

There were several medical experts that concluded Anne was suffering from paranoid delusions which included both her GP’s and psychiatric doctors at The Royal Cornhill Mental Institution. There were also many other professionals that were concerned about Anne’s mental health and many documents show this as we have seen. Hollie was never handed back to her father as Denis was working away on oil rigs at the time. Anne did obtain an independent psychiatrist report and although Robert and Anne say this report claims Anne was perfectly sane it states clearly that she could have suffered irrational and psychotic behaviour – again as we have seen.


“In the years that have followed, Anne Greig has persisted in her attempts to bring the abusers to justice, not only for the sake of her own children, but also to prevent these dreadful practices continuing against others, which includes adults with learning difficulties as well as children. It was only in 2009, when the News Of The World courageously broke the story, concentrating on the hitherto unheard of fact that Hollie had received payments from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority for crimes that have not even been investigated.”

The criminal injuries compensation scheme which is set by Parliament, compensates people based on the injuries they sustain not the crime of which they were a victim. When they make a payment they state that the payment is not a sign of guilt on behalf of the accused and should not be taken this way. Also, as D.I. Alley of Grampian Police said in one correspondence :
D.I. Alley

“The Police will always take what a witness says at face value unless there is some evidence which casts doubt on this. However, even in cases where doubt exists, it is not the business of the police to do other than ensure that all the evidence in relation to that doubt is placed before the Court. It is in Court that credibility is ultimately judged.”

It can be a little difficult to understand how CICA work – but once you understand their operating procedures and the Police’s operating procedures, it’s easy to see why Hollie was made a payment.


“The measures to cover up this terrible terrible story continue unbounded by the authorities.”

This case has been investigated twice and a independent investigation was also carried out (PCCS) because of Anne’s complaints. At first both Denis and Greig were interviewed under caution, & the second time it was investigated was shortly before Robert Green’s trial for breach of the peace after he casused fear, alarm and endangered both Wyn, Sylvia and their neighbours in 2010. Wyn, Sylvia and their children were all interviewed. Consequently, a great deal of public money has been spent on this false and defamatory case.


“Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts. Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation.”

Apart from the family home in Portugal being over 100 miles away from where Madeleine McCann disappeared, there is no evidence to substantiate this or any of Roberts other claims.


“Investigators have already informed us that discoveries of other paedophile rings in Scotland has been discovered, but it is clear that certain senior figures of authority are prepared to obstruct the course of justice and allow the known sexual abuse of some of society`s most vulnerable people to continue unabated, just to save their own skins.”

Robert has never produced any evidence to substantiate any of these allegations.


“The Hollie Greig story is now widely known by the media, police, legal, medical and political professions.

The facts are beyond dispute.

The only question that remains will be as to who has sufficient decency and courage to bring this and other issues to a just conclusion.

Robert Green
Investigator”

The Facts are that Robert Green is a fantasist – he has made claims that a group of individuals, some of whom don’t exist are members of a paedophile ring abusing children who have made public statements saying they were never abused, in a house that could not exist because the person that allegedly owned it does not exist.

Yet even after serving a jail sentence, Robert Green continues to blog and unjustly accuses innocent people to this very day! He is doing nothing more than persecuting innocent people, exploiting a disabled woman and perpetuating the illness of Anne Greig.

The supporting network of organisations like The UK Column and David Icke are simply in it because it makes “good copy” and pulls in an audience. An audience that seems not to realise they are being exploited emotionally, financially or both!

But that is nothing compared to the damage suffered by the innocent individuals being falsely named as paedophiles – and of course the exploitation of a disabled woman and the perpetuation of Anne’s illness….


PCCS CONCLUSIONS 


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>ROBERT GREEN – THE CONSEQUENCES OF RESPONSIBILITY!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/02/2014

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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A GUEST POST From: The Hollie Greig cover-up web site:

>ROBERT GREEN – THE CONSEQUENCES OF RESPONSIBILITY!

 

WILL Robert Green EVER LEARN?
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE
THERE WAS NO CRIME
THERE IS ONLY A HOAX

 

 

   

Published by The Hollie Greig Hoax Team in Robert Green · 22/2/2014 14:43:40
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As Robert Green begins his 3 months on remand, the likes of Brian Gerrish, Louise Collins, David Icke, Sonia Poulton and other supporting “Alternative Media” hacks are enjoying their liberty.

All of them have used The Hollie Greig case for their own ends and to promote their wares.  It really is a disgrace that these so called “supporters” take no responsibility whatsoever for Robert’s plight and he is yet to serve another sentence at the end of this current one.

We would like to know what Robert’s family think and I would ask that they contact us using our contact form or at: group@theholliegreigcoverup.net

For new readers here is a quick summary of some of the evidence:

1. The Forensic medical evidence showed NO signs of abuse.

2. Robert claimed “Hollie was minibused with other children to the home of the Sheriff’s sister’s where the majority of the abuse took place.” The Sheriff has no sister. In any event, Anne named the wrong sheriff as she mixed him up with the sheriff who was overseeing her divorce – a divorce that has never been finalised because we believe Anne still wants money from the house in Portugal after selling their house in Aberdeen and all its belongings including her husbands computer that is often cited as something the Police should have looked at!

3. The “other children” have made public statements saying they were never abused.

4. In Hollies’ Police interview, she named people that simply don’t exist.

5. The independent Police investigation (PCCS) clearly show the lack of trust in Hollies testimony not only by Police but by trained Appropriate Adult specialists. They also suspeced Anne had coached Hollie.

This is only a snapshot of evidence for a campaign spanning several years. A campaign where many stories have changed between Anne Greig and Robert Green. In one YouTube video, Robert Green stated Hollie had witnessed a ritual murder!!

Almost all of the supporters of this campaign are either Alternative Media hacks that are exploiting Anne, Hollie and Robert for their own purposes, or individuals who have been in trouble with either the Police or other authorities and are on their own revenge mission.

As far as the Alternative Media are concerned, we would like to share with you a recent email we received that outlines their exploitation perfectly.

Linda Steel
E-mail:XXXXXXXX@msn.com
Subject:Memories
Pick a date:21/02/2014
Message: I was watching UK Column Live yesterday and they did this large portion on Robert Greens’ arrest and ‘rendition’ to Scotland. How the authorities had tried to section him and how awful it was that this poor man had undergone such trauma at the hands of the police.

I have had emails from Brian Gerrish about this case. I watch the programme often, and a lot of what they cover is really informative, but I told him that they could well lose their reputation if they carried on supporting this case.
There may well be paedophiles within the Scottish establishment and for victims of abuse, carrying on supporting The Hollie Greig case would do them no good. As an ex nurse I wanted to write for them on the high jacking and selling off of the NHS, but because I didn’t believe this mother and that this was just a disturbed woman, I was told that if I didn’t believe this story, I couldn’t possibly write for them.

In other words, I couldn’t be part of their truth movement if I didn’t believe in their truth.
The emails went back and forth, he tried to convince me I was wrong, but no matter what I said, he just refused to believe that this was all tosh. I have sent you the PDF file because it is an article on Downs Syndrome memory, and you mentioned it within the clip you played.

As for their statements that Downs Syndrome sufferers are incapable of telling lies, that is all tosh too. Of course they can fib just like the rest of us. The biggest thing for me is the fact that there are no other victims. Only the ones they named, and even they have come forward to refute that they were ever abused.

Many people have seen the truth in the last few years. I heard about it and thought it was awful, until I saw them with Theo Chalmers in that very interview. The way Anne looked at Theo when she thought he may be questioning their honesty spoke volumes.
If looks could kill.

That’s when I knew these were false allegations. Being a nurse for so long, I suppose my bullshit monitor is more sensitive than most. I really hope that at some point, she will either be uncovered as a fraud, or eventually breaks down and confesses what she has done. I hope Hollie gets her family back before it is too late.

Just in case the PDF document won’t open, I am giving you the website address. http://www.down-syndrome.org/reviews/2068/reviews-2068.pdf

This pdf evidence makes clear the weakness in memory in Down Syndrome which once again proves the lies of Anne and Robert
. Here is a snapshot but you can read it in full here.

Thank you Linda.

This email shows clearly how Brian Gerrish and the UK Column operate and we have more like this one but we never publish anything without authorisation to do so and many people are simply afraid.

When we first contacted Brian in the hope we could have a dialogue with him, he simply refused. He lied about our team and eventually he accused Jon of abusing Hollie also.

What makes things difficult is that the UK Colum can publish genuine information at times – but their refusal to acknowledge real, irrefutable evidence and to claim that an entire country of Scotland is one giant conspiracy is nothing more than completely irrational and therefore they simply cannot be trusted.

In their broadcast on Thursday 20th February 2014 Brian alleged the authorities tried to section Robert in what he called a “Snakes Nest” – we predicted this in our blog dated Wednesday 19th February 2014.

Brian also claimed there was a contradiction between the Police doctor and the psychiatric doctors at Cornhill mental institution.

As we stated in our blog, unless Robert is a danger either to himself or others, or agrees treatment there is nothing either the Police or authorities can do.

The doctors at Cornhill would have pronounced him “untreatable.”

Sadly, the same can be said for Sonia Poulton also.

Sonia allowed Robert Green air time to promote his campaign but promised us a right of reply.

We contacted Sonia on many occasions before the interview took place but she never replied. We contacted her after the interview but she never replied. We took her acquiescence as an attack on innocent people therefore we told her what we thought through social media.

Then Sonia claimed we bullied and harassed her and complained that we had reported her and her broadcast to OFCOM – which we did. However she maintained she was still willing to speak to us but it would have to wait until she found a new platform and despite her saying she had many things in the pipeline nothing has appeard to date.

We recently requested a Skype conversation but once again she ignored us and came out in support of Robert after his arrest.

Once again we told her what we thought and once again she accused us of bullying and harassing her.

Here are the message between Sonia and Jon.

• Conversation started 28 December 2013
28/12/2013 19:46
Jon Stevenson
So – you deleted my comment and blocked me – ok.
You know, we have a lot in common Sonia, if you’d have had a conversation with me when I called you, you would realise that.
For instance, I agree with your world view, (mostly lol) – I agree with your political view and much of your opinion on your show.
I pride myself in always apologising when I’m wrong – do you?

Come ‘on Sonia, you’re a tough cookie – a few difficult questions on Twitter hardly constitute those allegations you levelled at me eh?
There’s a lot wrong with this country, politically and economically.

But you simply cannot get passed the facts and the evidence of the Hollie Greig case.

How do you explain the lack of forensic medical evidence for instance?

I wonder how long you have known David Icke?

We did try to contact him years ago but he refused to have a dialogue with us – have you asked him why?
The Hollie Greig case is not an establishment cover up Sonia, and if you have taken an objective look at the evidence you will know this.

I think you are a decent person Sonia, so what are you going to do about this?

You can talk to us/me in confidence if you wish – and I hope you will.

Better still, you can have an in confidence conversation with me and one of the wrongly accused, Wyn, and hear it direct for yourself.
Of course I’m never going to stop working with these innocent victims until they’re vindicated so I hope to speak to you soon.
Kind regards.
Jon

• 29 December 2013
29/12/2013 20:44
Sonia Poulton
Listen Jon, I have never accused anyone of anything all I have said is why haven’t people been interviewed about the allegations. I think it was highly disrespectful of you to come on my personal fb page and accuse me of the things you did. I AM a fair person and I AM prepared to listen to people but I am not prepared to take bs from anyone and some of your original approaches to me were not acceptable. I am prepared to talk further in the new year because that is the type of person I am, if someone has something to say then generally I will listen to them.

• 30 December 2013
• 30/12/2013 01:09
Jon Stevenson
HI Sonia and thanks for the reply – i do appreciate it.

I also appreciate your sentiments and I do understand your frustration and anger.

We have been trying to vindicate those wrongly accused for years now Sonia, and regardless of the evidence none of those making or supporting the allegations of Robert Green, have ever agreed to discuss this with us. They completely ignored our repeated requests for a dialogue to discuss the evidence.

That is not because of our, or my approach I stress to add.

If you look objectively at the messages we originally sent yourself (I say we because everything that happens has the consensus of our group) including the emails we sent to your website, I’m sure you will see they were cordial and informative – If you can now access them.

We also emailed Anne Greig personally asking her to talk with us – Wyn was Anne’s best friend for over 6 years Sonia and she cared about the whole family including Hollie deeply.

After the way we have been treated by the likes of David Icke, Brian Gerrish et al, (Brian even accused me of abusing Hollie in an email exchange I had with him when I explained I had met her) we/I don’t have much time for these individuals now – consequently I thought you were simply closing ranks with them – hence my latest approach and I apologise if it caused you distress.

That’s not an excuse Sonia, I simply want you to understand what not only the falsely accused have gone through, but those now supporting them. We have been called a variety of things including paedophiles, paedophile protectors, shills, Government agents and much more.

But something told me that you were different and that I had it wrong – which is why I messaged you via my personal Facebook profile – and I’m happy to say it seems I was right – thanks again for replying.

I know you haven’t accused anyone Sonia, but by giving Robert a platform, and such a big platform (David has a large following), you have supported his allegations and caused further alarm to those wrongly accused.

After all, you didn’t really put any difficult questions to him.

Seriously Sonia, please consider how they must feel – or think of that question I put to you. How would you feel if someone managed to convince thousands of people that you were a paedophile, and then published your name and address on the internet?
There were 27,000 members of their Facebook group at one stage.

I can tell you Sonia that they are concerned that this story will once again grow and Wyn has already had her car vandalised because of the publication of her name and address by Robert Green.

You have also asked why people haven’t been interviewed – but many have Sonia, regardless what Robert Green says.
Let me remind you of one of Robert asscertations.

“The majority of abuse happened in the home of the Sheriff’s sister”
The sheriff doesn’t have a sister Sonia – How can the police interview someone that doesn’t exist?

Robert never performed a simple births, deaths and marriages search – he simply believed what Anne was saying. Anne mistook the sheriff for the one that presided over her divorce – a divorce that she has never completed!

Robert later claimed he meant the sister-in-law. But the sheriff never had a sister-in-law either.

This is just one example of many, I will leave the rest for our conversation.

If you wish I can assure you that conversation remains private – given your position at TPV perhaps it would be better if you kept it private your end also for now – but you will perhaps be in a better position to make that judgement yourself. I only say this because at one point Ayem did reply to us, only to vanish soon after. I have no idea if she is still working with David or not. I do know that all posts regarding HG on David’s forums were removed and many people were banned.

Anyhow, believe it or not we do enjoy your show Sonia and I think we can say there is desperation within people in this country to bring to an end all the corruption that we see on an almost daily basis – and defend our children also!
Look forward to speaking with you in the New Year – have great one and all the best to you and your family.
Kind regards
Jon

• 6 January
06/01/2014 15:33
Jon Stevenson
Hey, are you ok?
Just read the announcement by TPV.

06/01/2014 15:55
Jon Stevenson
For what it’s worth Sonia, i don’t feel that is you they are describing.

• 7 January
07/01/2014 18:58
Jon Stevenson
Hi – an interesting statement but i am completely unsurprised.

I personally totally agree with you on transparency. Every single penny should be accounted for and it wouldn’t be at all difficult to show this. I have always maintained this in anything using public money.

Have to say that Hollie Demands Justice have also always refused to show where their donations have gone also.
I’m sorry for you Sonia, because as I’ve said, this country needs a “Peoples Voice” but because of my experience with David, i never had any doubt this wouldn’t work.

When i saw you were a presenter i thought David had made a really bad choice – bad for him.
Although i believe you made a mistake interviewing Robert Green, it’s obvious you have more integrity than possibly anyone i know – apart from me.

I too can be a fiery character, and i will always do my best to protect vulnerable people.

Two things.
“I would be more than happy to debate TPV with David Icke, Sean Adl-Tabatabai and Liz Roberts on camera and in a neutral environment. I have nothing to hide.”

In my experience this will never happen. Once you show David to be wrong, he will never talk to you. We have tried countless times to have a dialogue with him – he has always refused.

I hope Liz and Adl have the courage to back you up – get rid of David and TPV could be great!

“Despite repeatedly saying that ‘presenters have free-will’ David Icke did not hesitate to make known some of his dissatisfactions with me inviting on guests whom he had fallen out with in the past.”

I’m bound to ask, is this us?
I would still like to talk to you – when you’re ready of course.
If there’s anything we can do to help you Sonia, just ask.
Kind regards
Jon

• 10 January
10/01/2014 18:51
Jon Stevenson
Hi Sonia – I have had a conversation with Gareth Icke – can you confirm you booked Robert Green without any outside influences?
I appreciate your bound to be busy but if you could just pop me a quick reply i would really appreciate it – I’ll leave you alone for a while then to sort all this mess out.
Thanks
Jon

• 12 January
12/01/2014 10:29
Sonia Poulton
that is correct Jon, although David supported the decision as he knew Robert before I did. take care, Sonia

12/01/2014 12:14
Jon Stevenson
Thanks Sonia.
Regards

• 24 January
24/01/2014 20:14
Jon Stevenson
Hi Sonia – I’m sure you have seen this but just in case. http://motherdamnable.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-fatal-flaws-at-peoples-voice_20.html?m=1
Wyn and I would still like to speak to you if you still agree?

Mother Damnable returns: The Fatal Flaws at “The People’s Voice”
motherdamnable.blogspot.com
“I am a rose of Sharon, a wild strawberry of the valleys. As a lily amongst brambles so is my best beloved among the daughters” The song of Solomon 2:1-2

• 25 January
25/01/2014 14:37
Sonia Poulton
I’ve seen it Jon, there is more to come out trust me. I am still up for interviewing you but I need a new platform first.

25/01/2014 16:57
Jon Stevenson
Look forward it all coming out lol.

You wouldn’t want to do a recorded Skype conversation then?


We need a People’s Voice Sonia, but we need one with integrity.

Originally I supported the Hollie campaign but after about 4 days of listening to all of Roberts videos, and of him saying “we have the evidence” but not showing any, I started to ask for it.

When I got it, it was quite ridiculous, and after further investigation, I knew I had been duped.

Then began my journey into the world of alternative media – and I have to say that many that are involved it, are far worse than our mainstream media!

If you get a new platform Sonia, and you’re doing it for the right reasons (which I feel you would be) dealing with the likes of Belinda McKenzie, Brian Gerrish & Bill Maloney et al, will do you no favours I assure you.

You will have to choose sides between them and the likes of Scriptonite, who it seems, is a genuine individual along with others like Chris Martenson – TPV couldn’t even spell his name correctly when he was interviewed.

There is more than enough corruption out there without resorting to these individuals including the likes of David Icke.
Quite honestly, I have no idea why you teamed up with him in the first place – but I guess it’s easy to be clever with hindsight. But without doubt, the man has no integrity – I know I keep using that word, but it is important.

Gareth said to me he was going to speak to his dad about the Hollie campaign – I won’t hold my breath lol.

I really hope you get a platform Sonia, but I also hope it won’t be filled with cooks and dimwits that see conspiracy around every corner without doing any real research.
Regards
Jon

• 13 February
13/02/2014 23:14
Jon Stevenson
Not sure if you have heard but Robert Green has been arrested today – just wondered if you have a comment as it seems you’re not up for a Skype conversation?

14/02/2014 01:27
Jon Stevenson
Sonia – i see on the grapevine that you are aware of Robert’s arrest and apparently your “appalled” by the situation.
I really don’t get it??

Are you really suggesting you sympathise with this convicted criminal and his continued abuse of innocent people?

You did promise us a right of reply (remember?) and with or without a platform you could have agreed to a Skype conversation – so what are we to make of your position now?

Perhaps you have still not looked at all the evidence of this case but regardless will you please be honest (as you always claim to be) and tell us where we stand?

In the wake of your TPV exit you certainly seemed to be a person of integrity so I’m confused by your latest apparent stance.
You may be unaware but you are now being promoted on the net as a supporter of Robert Green – would that be correct?
Jon

• 14 February
14/02/2014 18:59
Jon Stevenson
Sonia – I just want to say that you, along with The UK Column and all other supporters of Robert Green are completely responsible for what is happening to him right now!

Because no reasonable, rational person, after looking at the evidence could support him or his campaign.

A child abused for 14 years and no forensic medical evidence showing any abuse – Hollie naming people that don’t even exist and children accused of being victims making public statements saying they were never abused to name but a few.

All of you are responsible for perpetuating this man’s delusions which means YOU are now responsible for what is happening to him – let alone the innocent people who’s lives he and Anne have made a misery of for the last 4 years!!

I hope you are ready to accept that responsibility because i am going to make sure everyone knows the truth of this situation.
I thought you had integrity but it seems you are supporting Robert’s claims, calling Aberdeen Police and ignoring and refusing to speak to us – just like the rest that deny the truth.

I guess you really are no different to the rest of the alternative media that sensationalise and exploit the vulnerable for the sake of headline.

Shame – because i liked you!

• Sunday
16/02/2014 22:02
Sonia Poulton
I am happy to be considered a supporter of Robert Green. He approached me only to ask questions on behalf of a vulnerable young woman. I have never made accusations in the case merely found it odd that Hollie’s claims are completely ignored by the Establishment. Your organisation treated me with disrespect from the get-go. Smearing me on the internet and attempting to use bullying tactics. I don’t respond well to that as you have discovered. I offered you a right of reply until ‘someone’ thought it smart to report TPV and me to OFCOM. Then TPV did not want to continue on the issue until the OFCOM was resolved. I suspect you or others around you were responsible for the OFCOM report. Either way the upshot is you didn’t get to do your interview. I will continue to support Robert because I am suspicious of those who would have him arrested.

17/02/2014 00:52
Jon Stevenson
Sorry Sonia, your excuses won’t cut it anymore.
We didn’t go smearing you on the net, we/I asked certain questions of you on Twitter and on our own website – Strong questions and statements i agree, BUT that was after we sent you more than enough information for you to make an informed choice and to respond accordingly – you didn’t, you simply ignored our messages and claimed you were locked out of your website only to later make a statement on it.

And i don’t believe for one minute a professional journalist would be locked out of their own website.
Therefore we presumed you were attacking us just like other supporters of Robert Green – so your argument/excuse is completely facile.

You only responded after we took a more direct approach.

And yet you continually ignore the evidence – like that i mentioned in my previous message and crow on about OFCOM and bullying tactics – what would you call the continued FALSE allegations that Robert Green has been making i wonder??

He has been harassing and bullying innocent people for YEARS Sonia!

You also could have agreed to a Skype conversation (as requested) with me and Wyn, one of those directly involved. Robert Green always said he would talk to anyone, but, like you, when it comes to it you refuse or simply ignore the request.
Is that what you call proper journalism?

You gave a convicted criminal air time to promote his campaign – a campaign that has caused years of misery and suffering not only to those he falsely accused of being of being paedophiles, but the children he also accused of being victims.

Why shouldn’t that be reported to any authority?? And I have told you already – I reported your broadcast.

You consider yourself a “supporter” of Robert Green – yet you are anything but!

If you really cared, if you really were the peoples champion as you promote yourself to be, if you were truly altruistic – you would have looked clinically at the evidence – the evidence that Robert has and that is on our website.

If you had done that you would see for instance that his “expert witness statements” are complete rubbish.

YOU would see that the medical evidence shows no abuse, and the Police transcripts show names of people that don’t exist and no detail whatsoever about the surroundings where the alleged abuse was supposed to have taken place.

You would understand how CICA made the payment, especially when you read the Police correspondence – but you haven’t, have you Sonia?!

You simply listened to Robert and “believed” him.

A mistake i made also.

It’s easy to do as you’re doing Sonia, you have nothing to lose.

However if you examined the evidence and had a dialogue with us you would soon come to know the truth – then of course you would lose some of the support you currently have – i guess your ego would never allow that.

But regardless of the help we/I have offered you, you still “support” Robert Green.

But you’re not supporting him, you are perpetuating his delusion and so doing him irrevocable psychological damage – just like your friends The UK Column, Lou Collins, Brian Gerrish and all the others.

I guess you do it because there is no doubt we are surrounded by so much corruption – but there is a world of difference between real investigative journalism and what the alternative media thinks it is.

I know exactly why Robert has been arrested…. again – you don’t because you have not looked at the evidence. But there is no doubt you are directly responsible for Robert’s wellbeing and the perpetuation of his campaign – and so the continued misery and suffering of those he wrongly accuses.

You have no excuse anymore Sonia – we/I have tried to tell you, tried to explain and tried to talk to you – but you seem to have made your choice.

Whether you like it or not, you’re part of it now Sonia – don’t say I didn’t try to help you.

But as always Wyn and I will be willing to talk to you if you desire to know the truth – but forgive us if we don’t hold our breath.

17/02/2014 01:04
Sonia Poulton
I am not even reading this fully and the reason why is you have sought to attack, harrass and bully again, Jon. It’s what you do. Blogs have been written about you. I don’t tolerate that attitude from anyone. I told you about yourself and you don’t like it. Enjoy your life Jon, take care, be less obnoxious and you may progress. I have taken the time to answer your repeated questions even though you have attempted to bully me from the start. You are someone to be watched. Now go into the big wide yonder and know that your words, designed to be abusive, cannot affect me because bullies are ten a penny.

17/02/2014 01:08
Sonia Poulton
Oh I’ve just noted that you have admitted to being the one behind reporting the broadcast. Oh lol. You make me laugh. Not a spine to your name, has to run to ‘the authorities’. Be gone Jon, go muddy the waters elsewhere, this is an adult world I am working in not a playground.


After that exchange Sonia Blocked us for a second time
.

Readers will come to their own conclusions – but it is a shame because we liked Sonia.

BUT WE HATE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR OWN EGOS AND PERSONAL GAIN IN FRONT OF THE TRUTH. IT IS NOT PROFESSIONAL, ETHICAL OR IMPARTIAL.  EITHER PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE INDEPENDENT, FAIR AND BALANCED IN PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH BY HEARING BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY OR THEY ARE LIARS, COWARDS AND HYPOCRITES.  ALL WE HAVE EVER ASKED IS FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY TO BE HEARD AND GIVEN EQUAL AIRTIME.  THAT IS THE TRUE PROFESSIONAL APPROACH.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WILLING TO TALK TO ANYBODY IN THE SO CALLED ‘TRUTH MOVEMENT. OF THE VERY FEW THAT ACTUALLY AGREED TO TALK TO US AND REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS AND EVIDENCE WE PRESENTED TO THEM, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS CONVINCED THAT WE TOLD THE TRUTH AND PUBLICLY RENOUNCED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE CAMPAIGN.

THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT ALL THESE SO CALLED SUPPORTERS OF ROBERT GREEN ARE COMPLICIT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS INCARCERATION.

However, w
e remain as always, willing to talk to any of them while they pay the consequences of thier actions.

 

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