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Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/05/2014

Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I take the liberty from time to time of adding material from third party sites of merit, as due to the dishonesty and their own gain and many of the low lifes and criminals associated with the promotion of the indisputable hoax surrounding the fantasy claims of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and various false claims surrounding the scam.

 

Let us not forget that despite numerous Police investigations, medical reports and various other investigations to date not one shred of credible admissible evidence has EVER been presented to support the stories yet some are still trying to support the scam despite its undeniable exposure as a hoax by myself and many others several years ago!

 

Therefore I reproduce various valid articles which may be interferred with, hacked or removed by those dishonestly supporting the Hollie Greig scam – as was my own detailed, documented and cross referenced site that exposed the hoax originally, which the deviants, liars and low lifes were unable to refute, disprove or counter so they resorted to lies, defamation and hacking to try to suppress the reasoned and detailed facts proving the ‘stories’ surrounding Hollie Greig and the suicide of her uncle Roy Greig etc.

The Hoax

Although opinion is bound to be divided, and while some campaigners & individuals still add things up wrong, the evidence is irrefutable. The Mackie family were like any other middle class happy family. Like most, they’ve had their troubles but they were a loving family with many friends.
This is the story of how Anne Greig suffered a breakdown after the death of her mother and brother. The paranoid delusions Anne suffered had shocking consequences not only for her family and friends, but many of her in-laws including her husbands business associates.However, It didn’t stop there.

Over time, Anne accused many different individuals she felt had crossed her in some way, including the Sheriff who presided over her “incomplete” divorce, of sexually abusing her daughter, Hollie. This abuse allegedly spanned a 14yr period and started when Hollie was aged 6.

But in her confused and paranoid state of mind she chose a different Sheriff but one with a similar name to label with her vile accusations.

Detective Constable Durward interviewed Hollie on 19th May 2000 accompanied by Nicola Foot, appropriate adult. On the 24th May 2000, Hollie was interviewed again by DC Durward with Nicola foot present.

Hollie was eventually interviewed for a third time by DC Evans & Sarah Bennett as Appropriate Adult on 8th September 2009 in the Belvoire Suite, Shrewsbury.

Neither were convinced by Hollies’ testimony as we see later in the PCCS report.

All of this started after the death of Anne’s brother in 1997.

Robert Greig (known as Roy), committed suicide on 17th November 1997.

He was found in a burning car and died of smoke inhalation.
Smoke Inhalation

At that time Anne never questioned his death as anything other than suicide – confirmed to us by her best friend Wyn Dragon-Smith.

When Anne’s mother passed, she left the majority of her estate to her son Roy. When Roy passed, his estate amounted to very little.Anne suspected her solicitor Ian MacDonald of defrauding her from an inheritance she not only expected from her mother’s passing, but now from her brother.

Therefore, Mr McDonald’s name was added to the list of other alleged abusers.
Robert Green’s list of abusers

She complained to the Law society of Scotland and began to obsess on the internet, researching until the early hours of the morning which continued for almost 3 years.

Anne reported what she thought to be fraud to Grampian Police, but because Anne believed they had not acted appropriately regarding her complaints and allegations, she made a further complaint and requested an independent review.

Briefly jump forward now to July 2008, Jim Martin, the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland produced an independent report into all of Anne’s complaints – referred to here as The PCCS report.
PCCS REPORT

Despite her efforts nothing came of her complaints to either the Law Society or Grampian Police – because there was no evidence of any criminality confirmed in the PCCS report:

Back to the beginning now and in the year 2000 things began to get worse. Her husband Denis and best friend Wyn accompanied Anne to her GP as she was showing signs of paranoia. After the visit, Anne exclaimed “he was yet another one of those against me.” She later changed to a different GP.Further testimony from Wyn, Denis and her son Greg, informs us she became more and more paranoid, insisting her business acquaintances, family and friends were all against her. She suspected her husband of having an affair, which was untrue – and when Greg and Denis tried in vain to talk some sense into her one evening, a family argument ensued and she bit her son Greg severely on the arm and ran out of the house at midnight in nothing but her nightdress.
Anne’s Mental Health

Then came very serious abuse allegations – allegations that would grow and grow, and which Anne would be unable to turn back on.In May 2000 she accused her husband of abusing their daughter Hollie, and over the following months the list of abusers grew and grew as Anne alleged Hollie revealed more and more names.

On 19th May 2000 Hollie was interviewed by Grampian Police and again on 24th May. Hollie mentioned a number of names, some of which simply did not exist. Hollies’ father Denis was interviewed, and her brother Greg a while later – but there was no corroborative evidence. Some of the other names could not be interviewed – how can the Police interview none existent people?

It was clear Hollie was loyal to her mother.

Forensic medical evidence taken from Hollie showed no signs of abuse – only that Hollie was not a virgin.
No Evidence of Abuse

Hollie was a 20yr old woman with boyfriend.

Anne ostracised all her family and friends and Hollies’ family broke up with her father moving to live in the family home in Portugal as Anne sold their house in Aberdeen. Hollies brother, Greg, stayed in Aberdeen for a while renting a flat from his Aunt Sylvia – (Denis’s cousin) – but around a year later when he was finding it hard to find work, he too went to live with his father in Portugal. He now has his own home and young family but it’s safe to say he still suffers from this traumatic experience.There is no doubt Anne suffered some kind of mental breakdown and as we have seen there is plenty of medical evidence that proves that – including Anne’s own independent Psychiatrists report. Anne was sectioned into a mental health institution for a short while and Hollie was put into the care system, but eventually Anne and Hollie were reunited.

Over the following years Anne moved from Aberdeen to Shrewsbury in Shropshire.

Her campaign continued there, as did her complaints to Grampian Police which is why the (PCCS) report was made.

ANNE WAS CONSTANTLY MISTAKING PEOPLE IN HER ALLEGATIONS AS THIS SECTION OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS (PCCS) REPORT SHOWS… person ‘U’ is Helen McDonald, Hollie’s social worker.

“As a footnote to his enquiries Superintendent J noted that he was aware that the complainer had provided an association chart to the force detailing her perceived connections between the individuals X named as her abusers. He stated that in this chart reference was made to Detective Sergeant F having contact with Person U in the context of a local pantomime and living in the same area as her. Superintendent J noted that a short statement was taken from Person U who advised that she had never met Detective Sergeant F prior to, or subsequent to, him noting a statement from her in the course of his enquiries. She also stated that whilst she had never performed in pantomime with him, she was in pantomime with an ex-police officer. Superintendent J stated that this officer has not featured in any of the complainer’s concerns. He also noted that Detective Sergeant F did not live in the same area as Person U.”


In 2009, Anne was introduced to Robert Green by her friend, Stuart Usher.

Robert Green is an ex travel agent who was a partner in Mosley Travel in Warrington. Robert was to become Anne’s spokesperson and he labelled himself as her Lay legal advisor, investigator and journalist.
The real Robert Green

Robert produced many YouTube video’s where he explained the campaign including his allegations about Roy’s death.Just like Hollies’ false abuse, Roy’s suicide turned into a full blown conspiracy also – he cleverly put together a string of events around his death that on the surface suggested some wrong doing.

One of these events was to suggest that Sylvester Cadger, the man who tried to save Roy by pulling him from the burning car and giving him CPR until the ambulance arrived, was in fact the murderer.

However, the PCCS PCCS REPORTreport also show’s that Anne was somewhat unconcerned regarding the surroundings of the death of her brother – which confirms the testimony of Wyn Dragon-Smith.

An internet campaign was born that became known as “Hollie Demands Justice.” hollie Demands Justice
A lady called Belinda Mckenzie also joined the campaign. Belinda is a self-proclaimed truth campaigner, 911 conspiracy theorist, and alien believer.
The Real Belinda McKenzie
The campaigns Facebook group had over 27,000 members and the story went viral on the internet and continued to grow.
Anne, Hollie and Robert travelled the country attending different speaking engagements and the names of abusers grew evermore into a full blown paedophile ring “going to the very top of the Scottish Judiciary.”The link to the Scottish Judiciary came about because Anne mistook Graeme Buchanan for another solicitor with a similar name who was involved in her attempted divorce from Denis. To date. Anne & Denis are still married.

Robert and Anne claimed the abuse of Hollie occurred in the house of the Sheriff’s sister – only the Sheriff has no sister!

They later claimed the abuse took place in the home of the Sheriff’s sister-in-law – but again the Sheriff has no sister-in-law.Eventually Anne was summoned to the Royal Courts of Justice in London by Shropshire Council and told to stop parading her daughter around the country and a court order was put in force.

A whole network of “Alternative Media” & so called “Truth Campaigners” jumped on the band wagon – and the number of donate buttons on websites rocketed!

Wyn Dragon-Smith and her husband David, Sylvia Major and her husband Terry, and Hollie’s carer were all accused of being paedophiles among many more of Anne’s friends, relatives and business acquaintances as we have seen in the list. Robert also included the children of Hollies carer as victims and persistently claimed these things were never investigated.This document, including the PCCS report shows that to be untrue.
No Investigation?

Wyn and Sylvia’s children were named as child victims that were abused along with Hollie – Robert stated that Hollie and the other children were taken in a minibus to the home of the Sheriff’s sister to be abused. in reality these children never even met Hollie until she was in her late teens and all of them have made public statements saying they were never abused.
Public Statements

Robert sent letters to the neighbours of 22 innocently accused individuals including Wyn and Sylvia telling them they were living next door to paedophiles causing them fear, alarm and distress – a crime he later served a prison sentence for.
Prison Sentence

Anne and Robert claimed the BBC allegedly commissioned a programme with the prominent investigative journalist, Mark Daly.

Mark stated a programme was never commissioned, and when he investigated their claims, Anne and Robert were informed no programme would be made.Robert and Anne accused Mark of a cover up – Mark’s reply:

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

Mark Daly.

An organisation called “The UK Column” became involved and individuals named Brian Gerrish and Lou Collins joined the campaign along with the well-known conspiracy theorist David Icke.
The UK Column Lou Collins David Icke

They began promoting the cause all over the internet and spoke of it at different speaking engagements.

It is reported that Hollie suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder which is no surprise when you consider Hollie lost the family she had known for 20 years and the many friends she had in Aberdeen. Her life was torn apart by the illness suffered by her mother.In the end it sparked a national newspaper article written by David Leask of the Scottish Herald.

Sadly, this campaign still continues today for a few misguided supporters that simply cannot believe the truth.These are the facts for which there is plenty of evidence – Now, here is the story reported by Robert Green on their website Hollie Demands Justice with our own “truthful” additions.

“In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father. Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.”

Anne has admitted in many reports including on Sky TV that she did not “immediately” report anything to the Police, but told Hollie to tell her social worker.
Sky TV Interview

Terry Major was the chief fingerprint expert – a civilian employee. Graeme Buchanan was mixed up with another solicitor with a similar name as we have said above. All these discrepancies from the confused and paranoid mind of a mentally ill woman.


“Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place.”

The Forensic medical evidence showed Hollie was not a virgin – she was a 20yr old woman with a boyfriend and there was nothing to suggest any sort of abuse that has allegedly been going on unnoticed by Anne for 14 years!

Regardless of Hollie’s boyfriends, the PCCS report also casts doubt on the “abuse” allegation, and shows what lengths Anne will go to:


More importantly, the PCCS report points out that the forensic medical evidence stated:
So there was no medical evidence of recent sexual activity. Therefore is it possible Hollie was “shared with a satanic paedophile ring” as stated by Robert Green and show no evidence of abuse?
Hollies testimony was questioned by DC Davidson who said in one correspondence that she thought Anne was putting words into Hollies mouth
Anne putting words into Hollies’ mouthAgain – PCCS report also doubted the veracity Hollies testimony:

The Police transcript of Hollie’s claims, clearly showed Hollie simply repeating the same things over and over again. There was a distinct lack of any detail regarding her surroundings like the colour of the bed clothes or wallpaper in the room.The “other evidence” Robert refers to is a report by Dr Jack Boyle. His report can be read here:
The Boyle Report

It clearly shows he does not confirm the veracity of Hollie’s claims. Moreover, the majority of the report is based on what Anne has explained to him.

Dame Elish Angiolini is completely innocent of Robert’s allegations as this document proves:
Crown Office

“In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur.”

There were several medical experts that concluded Anne was suffering from paranoid delusions which included both her GP’s and psychiatric doctors at The Royal Cornhill Mental Institution. There were also many other professionals that were concerned about Anne’s mental health and many documents show this as we have seen. Hollie was never handed back to her father as Denis was working away on oil rigs at the time. Anne did obtain an independent psychiatrist report and although Robert and Anne say this report claims Anne was perfectly sane it states clearly that she could have suffered irrational and psychotic behaviour – again as we have seen.


“In the years that have followed, Anne Greig has persisted in her attempts to bring the abusers to justice, not only for the sake of her own children, but also to prevent these dreadful practices continuing against others, which includes adults with learning difficulties as well as children. It was only in 2009, when the News Of The World courageously broke the story, concentrating on the hitherto unheard of fact that Hollie had received payments from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority for crimes that have not even been investigated.”

The criminal injuries compensation scheme which is set by Parliament, compensates people based on the injuries they sustain not the crime of which they were a victim. When they make a payment they state that the payment is not a sign of guilt on behalf of the accused and should not be taken this way. Also, as D.I. Alley of Grampian Police said in one correspondence :
D.I. Alley

“The Police will always take what a witness says at face value unless there is some evidence which casts doubt on this. However, even in cases where doubt exists, it is not the business of the police to do other than ensure that all the evidence in relation to that doubt is placed before the Court. It is in Court that credibility is ultimately judged.”

It can be a little difficult to understand how CICA work – but once you understand their operating procedures and the Police’s operating procedures, it’s easy to see why Hollie was made a payment.


“The measures to cover up this terrible terrible story continue unbounded by the authorities.”

This case has been investigated twice and a independent investigation was also carried out (PCCS) because of Anne’s complaints. At first both Denis and Greig were interviewed under caution, & the second time it was investigated was shortly before Robert Green’s trial for breach of the peace after he casused fear, alarm and endangered both Wyn, Sylvia and their neighbours in 2010. Wyn, Sylvia and their children were all interviewed. Consequently, a great deal of public money has been spent on this false and defamatory case.


“Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts. Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation.”

Apart from the family home in Portugal being over 100 miles away from where Madeleine McCann disappeared, there is no evidence to substantiate this or any of Roberts other claims.


“Investigators have already informed us that discoveries of other paedophile rings in Scotland has been discovered, but it is clear that certain senior figures of authority are prepared to obstruct the course of justice and allow the known sexual abuse of some of society`s most vulnerable people to continue unabated, just to save their own skins.”

Robert has never produced any evidence to substantiate any of these allegations.


“The Hollie Greig story is now widely known by the media, police, legal, medical and political professions.

The facts are beyond dispute.

The only question that remains will be as to who has sufficient decency and courage to bring this and other issues to a just conclusion.

Robert Green
Investigator”

The Facts are that Robert Green is a fantasist – he has made claims that a group of individuals, some of whom don’t exist are members of a paedophile ring abusing children who have made public statements saying they were never abused, in a house that could not exist because the person that allegedly owned it does not exist.

Yet even after serving a jail sentence, Robert Green continues to blog and unjustly accuses innocent people to this very day! He is doing nothing more than persecuting innocent people, exploiting a disabled woman and perpetuating the illness of Anne Greig.

The supporting network of organisations like The UK Column and David Icke are simply in it because it makes “good copy” and pulls in an audience. An audience that seems not to realise they are being exploited emotionally, financially or both!

But that is nothing compared to the damage suffered by the innocent individuals being falsely named as paedophiles – and of course the exploitation of a disabled woman and the perpetuation of Anne’s illness….


PCCS CONCLUSIONS 


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Tom George & Some Informed Comment re The Hollie Greig Scam At The Time

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/07/2011

Tom George & Some Informed Comment re The Hollie Greig Scam At The Time

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This site was first posted on, on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Tom George & Some Informed Comment re The Hollie Greig Scam At The Time

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Hi,

here is a series of postings that go a long way to endorsing my exposure of the Hollie Greig case, as a pack of lies and self serving fantasies, by scoundrels and their naiive supporters; commencing with a letter from one of the early activists who was villified from the moment he exposed the truth that the stories about Hollie Greig and those surrounding her were nothing but stories and lacked a shed of admissable evidence or evidence of any credibility.

I have posted Tom’s communication and then published it in context with the comments he was responding to:

posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 11:48 AM

Thank you for your kind words justycI had to stand down from Hollie’s case when my health could no longer withstand the two-faced back-stabbing and when it became obvious that the “stories” put forward by Anne Greig and Robert Green were a crock of s**t.

I was involved in the very earliest stages long before the campaign was hijacked by self-serving egomaniacs like Paul Dorkton, Steven Milne, George McKendrick and Matt Quinn with their false identities, fawning neophytes and threats of violence. I cannot even begin to tell the story of the truly horrendous abuse I suffered at the hands of these evil people.

I know that I was not the only person vilified by the braying mob for trying to tell the truth and to stand up to the bullies on Facebook. Others like yourself, Pabs, Greg Lance-Watkins and Lesley McLaren suffered the same fate.

Stay safe and keep well,

Tom G

& here is Tom’s letter in context:


posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:38 AM
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perhaps before people start jumping up and down over this story they should actually research ALL the information being given.

There are far too many unanswered questions which Robert Green and Ann don’t want to answer and none of their rampant followers question – instead they label you as one of ‘them’ or a pedo supporter.

Here’s a few you can ask if you ever get the chance…

Why was Ann seeking contraception for her daughter WITH her husband?

Why Hollie, (who we are repeatedly told never lies), when asked on a filmed interview if her she was afraid of her father killing her dog, she said no.

Why does Ann’s story change when she’s telling it?

Why were some of the named victims not even born when the alleged abuse took place?

Why are all those accused people that Ann has had a falling out with?

Why does her son say none of it is true and why has she not contacted him despite his public appeals to?

Why do they continually lie about what happened with the BBC reporter Mark Daly and themselves – Mark Daly even called into a radio show that was interviewing Robert Green to set the record straight.

None of this you will hear from the supporters – they are blinkered to any other interpretation other than that which is spoon-fed to them by Robert Green (Ann having been taken as far as the High Court in London to be told to shut up with her lies or they will take Hollie away from her). You will be banned from their little groups if you ever question the story and labelled as a spy, traitor, hacker, pedo etc for simply pointing out the many inconsistencies in the story.


posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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Hi

Do you have any links to back any of this up and does it come from the ministry of propaganda

This would all of course come out in court and if Mr Green or her mum is lieing then fine them or lock them up.

The goverment have tried every trick in the book to silence the family and trying to discredit the source is normal procedure.

I find it very hard to belive they would be so stupid as to accuse people that were not even born when the crimes took place myself and even someone with a low IQ like Hollie could dream up a better story.


posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Actually I dedicated my own website solely to their campaign at first and i had all the paperwork available for download on it as well as all the available interviews they gave. I was also one of the admin on the 27000 member facebook group so i do know what i am talking about.

I went from someone who blindly believed her story at first (because they are very convincing, to actually finding the time to read ALL the available material and seeing that it didn’t add up. When I started to question the glaring inconsistencies, they turned on me and several others who were also doubting the ‘truth’ of their story.

All the proof you need is in the documents they made available and from Mark Daly’s mouth (who I also spoke with). He was initially interested in covering the story at first till he started investigating it for himself and soon found out that not all that Ann and Robert tell you is truthful. Call the BBC and speak to him.

Look up the medical condition ‘Folie à deux’ and you will understand what is going on here (only on a bigger scale with their supporters. Ask the Hollie team for all the available documents that Ann and Robert have put out, read them for yourself with an open mind and then come and tell me you have no doubts about their story.

You can infer all you like about propaganda or whatever, (i’ve had it all and more said about me after i started questioning her story already), – i’m just telling you what i went through and why i changed my mind over this story. Stop blindly believing everything the Hollie team are telling you. Do your own research because they certainly don’t. They don’t even bother read the evidence presented to them in support of Hollie because if they did they would see it’s full of holes.


posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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Much respect for looking into this case more than myself.

I can except your word for it that the family side of the story has some contradictions but i still feel from what i have seen that this case should still go to court even if the result is the guilty/inocent people get to clear their names and its fair to think the state knows the people it is trying to protect are guilty.

Why did she get a £13,500 payout if no crime has been commited and did they realy need to send men in white coats to try and silence Ann.

Regards and i will look in to what you have said if you can provide links please.


posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Master_007
reply to post by justyc

 

Much respect for looking into this case more than myself.

I can except your word for it that the family side of the story has some contradictions but i still feel from what i have seen that this case should still go to court even if the result is the guilty/inocent people get to clear their names and its fair to think the state knows the people it is trying to protect are guilty.

Why did she get a £13,500 payout if no crime has been commited and did they realy need to send men in white coats to try and silence Ann.

Regards and i will look in to what you have said if you can provide links please.

Thanks for your reply.

Having spent much more time than you over this, I have to disagree that this case should go to court – it would be laughed out of there in seconds. If myself and others can pick Ann’s story apart then what will a trained lawyer do to it and her?

Do you really believe that anyone can make wild allegations about 30-odd people with not a shred of evidence and that it should go as far as the courts? Don’t you think some of it should at least be provable first?

Like the Sheriff’s named abuser sister (he doesn’t have a sister)

Like the dead non whisky-drinking brother/uncle who had no reason to kill himself (he was suspended from his job as a pub landlord for embezzlement and was also shown in a photograph with a glass of whisky in his hand)

Like the autopsy report that they never let anyone see when they claimed he had his skull bashed in and his ribs were broken (this was shown to be a head contusion… (aka a bruise) when it is actually seen by others and the broken ribs turned out to be fractures which are common when CPR is administered by an unskilled person – which is what happened)

Like how Ann never mentions in any interview that she claims she and Hollie were being poisoned by a nurse/relative who was giving her husband the poison as they were having an affair – even when they were in the shelter. They were also following her all the time.

How her finally leaving the house for the shelter has 2 different versions.

How her son claims she abandoned them several times and went missing from the house.

How her house was bugged.

How the hospital has no record of her ever being admitted.

How in all this time, she never saw any signs of abuse in Hollie and Hollie (who we are told can’t lie) never told anyone she was being abused. Nobody else saw any signs either and she was examined regularly.

Why they won’t talk about Hollie’s boyfriend

Why robert green won’t allow the taped conversation between him and mark daly to be made public.

How the police complaints commission has twice (as i understand) failed to find any evidence or truth in Ann’s claims whatsoever (you can view the entire findings of one time here – PCC findings ) That’s one document that I discovered myself – it’s not one that they want you to know about for obvious reasons. Most of the documents they provide are very poor, illegible photocopies (like they can’t access a scanner anywhere to make decent scans of all the originals that they claim they have).

They also seem to be very unfortunate and unlucky people in the amount of documents they claim are conveniently missing, edited or stolen etc etc

There is so much more i could go on about but i’ll leave you to ponder that lot for now.

As for the money she was paid – it was most likely decided that as there is no way they can prove what happened and felt sorry for her so gave her the benefit of the doubt. Paying her in no way implies there was any proof of abuse.

Robert also had the opportunity to take this all to court last year and he lied to his team when he said that he had filled in the paperwork to do so – he never did and that was the one chance they had that it could have gone to court. The last thing they want is for a court case to happen because all of this information and more will then become known and picked apart. Much better to travel the country telling tales to anyone that will listen and getting away with it.

I will say this though and add one piece of evidence from their collection, but i suggest you read it VERY carefully several times and don’t jump to any immediate conclusions, but think it over very carefully with an open mind … Doctors letter

It is ‘possible’ that Hollie was abused by her father (though this is never ever going to be provable in any court and any hope they had to take it there is now spoiled by the lies) but i don’t believe that there was ever a pedo ring involved. i think Ann is mentally unstable and concocted the whole story after she started investigating the money she thought she would get from her brother’s estate. It seems everyone who she came across in connection with it (lawyer, bank manager, police etc) suddenly became part of this ring which grew larger as her story did. Indeed anyone that opposes the story gets accused of being part of the coverup. like i mentioned before, robert green is her folie a deux partner.

The only interview they have ever given where the story was questioned publicly (mark daly), robert green refused to talk to him! You can listen to the whole thing here – please listen to all 6 parts All the other interviews have gone along with it hook, line and sinker without questioning anything, investigating any of it or reading any of the provided documents.

Hope this is helpful to you.

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justyc


posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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oh – forgot to add one thing about the alleged d-notice in connection to this story…

THERE ISN’T ONE!

…and that came straight from the mouth of the man who’s job it is to issue them. if i ever find his letter again i will post it here.

adding the text of the letter …..

Dear Mr Metcalfe,

Thank you for your e-mail.

Let me assure you that no Defence Advisory guidance has been issued on the case of Hollie Greig, nor will it be. The DA Notice System covers only the core national security issues defined in the five Standing DA Notices. These are of course purely advisory and are not supported by any form of sanction, legal or otherwise; advice offered under them can be accepted or ejected in whole or in part. For full details see http://www.dnotice.org.uk.

The case of Hollie Greig falls far outside the DA Notice System guidelines. and whether or not certain people are treating this case as a ‘no-go area’ it is certainly not because of any DA Notice concerns.

Sincerely,

Andrew Vallance
Air Vice-Marshal
Secretary, Defence Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee
Office: 0207 218 2206
HOME & MOBILE PHONE REDACTED G.L-W.

edit on 1-7-2011 by justyc because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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I tried to read the details in the doctors link you posted but it’s a picture of a document and i can not make anything out.

Whats the connection to a vice air marshall who sent the message in your post.

I don’t think Hollie having a boy freind makes less of a case myself and few two people will tell the same story word for word perfect so no I don’t think the case would be laughted out of court and if the finger was pointed at me then i would welcome a court case.

it’s hard to prove documents have gone missing if they have gone missing and Mr Green does seem to keep a copy of a lot of documents and makes them open to the public.

not saying you can not find fault in the case but it sure looks like people can fault the defence case and can see that the case is being blocked from a very high level.

Do you have any links I can follow please


posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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I thought about a nice, long reply to your post answering all your questions and providing even more information and PROOF of things for you, and then I thought why should I bother?

If you can’t be bothered to use a simple zoom feature on THEIR document that I provided for you, take the time to listen to an audio recording which is extremely enlightening, read a very long and detailed official police investigation report, then whatever links I provide will be equally ignored in favour of your flippant comments – indeed, that is the case with most of the remaining die-hard supporters of this story. Facts don’t interest them. Ann’s own various versions of her own story don’t, Robert’s lies go straight over their heads and nothing you can show them will change their minds regardless of how damning to the case it is because they have already made their minds up already based on what they have been told – so eager are they to believe in a vast and frankly unbelievable sinister conspiracy involving everyone who dare doubt or question the story.

You can’t even be bothered to look up what a d-notice is and why I mentioned it.

I’ve wasted too much of my life already over this case and as you have already made up your mind as to what the truth is then no amount of posts by me to show you things you don’t know about will satisfy you, and as you can’t even go the tiny extra inch to look into any of what I posted – what is the point of me posting them.

Just carry on believing the ‘official’ story because the truth of it isn’t important to you.


posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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In response to the comments made by “justyc”, I attach a copy of Robert Green’s blog which is the most comprehensive source of info on the Hollie Greig case.

holliedemandsjustice-robertgreensblog.blogspot.com…

Many thousands of people have heard the Hollie Greig story and those who comprise the opposition are so few that they could be counted on the fingers of two hands.

To correct just one of the factual errors made by “justyc” the other persons named by Hollie as victims were born betweeen 1975 and 1990.

We can only look at the facts and draw our own conclusions. The only interpretation of the facts which is remotely credible to me is that a massive cover-up is ongoing. Perhaps if the politicians and mainstream media ended their silence some light could be shed on this case.


posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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hello stevenmilne (aka john taylor).

here is my challenge to you….

how about instead of posting a link to robert green’s blog where he ‘says’ a lot, you post instead a link to all the documents they have made available to the public, also include the autopsy report (which no-one other than stuart usher appears to have seen – but he also confirmed in an interview that it did not say what ann and robert claimed it did), the psychiatric report on ann, and green’s original and amended bail conditions.

then we can compare what has been said in interviews by ann and robert to what the paperwork actually says.

also, ask robert for permission to make available the taped phone conversations between him and mark daly so we can all make up our minds as to what was said in them.


posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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Well this is indeed a very sorry state of affairs.

I was involved with the Hollie Greig case from the very start long before lowlifes like Steven Milne and George McKendrick jumped on the bandwagon to fuel their own egos. They and others really are the gutter trash of society who should be locked up for a very,very long time.

Robert Green is a fantasist, a con-man and a menace to society and the full force of the law should be brought to bear against him. There is no veracity in the stories, there was no abuse ever. FACT.

I am grateful to Greg Lance-Watkins for exposing this sham. Greg is a man of intelligence, compassion and integrity although sadly, like myself, he is suffering from serious health problems.

Yours aye,

Tom G


posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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hello tom. hope you are doing well.

i’m sure you could inform members here of the amount of abuse you had from ‘hollie’s peaceful army’ since you started doubting the story. you (amongst others) went though enough of it for voicing your opinion. believing anything contrary to what robert ‘says’ puts an immediate target on your back, whilst their mass paranoia runs rampant.

do you remember when i was even accused of faking a letter that you had written and even when you wrote in reply that YOU had definitely written the letter and included your phone number for anyone to call you about it, they still would not believe it? i see they are still accusing you of being a spy for the government….

from the ‘official hollie website faq…

It was later discovered, through intelligence research, that GLW had fellow cohorts operating with him such as blogger alias Anna Racoon (solicitor and former employee of the secret Court of Protection) and alias Tom George, a man with more identities than a Russian doll, found to have worked out of an EU Government building in Paris.

‘intelligence’ and ‘research’ are two things that have been conspicuously absent in this case!

take care

 

posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Thank you for your kind words justyc

I had to stand down from Hollie’s case when my health could no longer withstand the two-faced back-stabbing and when it became obvious that the “stories” put forward by Anne Greig and Robert Green were a crock of s**t.

I was involved in the very earliest stages long before the campaign was hijacked by self-serving egomaniacs like Paul Dorkton, Steven Milne, George McKendrick and Matt Quinn with their false identities, fawning neophytes and threats of violence. I cannot even begin to tell the story of the truly horrendous abuse I suffered at the hands of these evil people.

I know that I was not the only person vilified by the braying mob for trying to tell the truth and to stand up to the bullies on Facebook. Others like yourself, Pabs, Greg Lance-Watkins and Lesley McLaren suffered the same fate.

Stay safe and keep well,

Tom G

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