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More Facts + A 3rd. Party Informed View Of The Hollie Greig Scam

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/02/2015

More Facts + A 3rd. Party Informed View Of The Hollie Greig Scam

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This site was first posted on, on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I believe it is apposite some 5 years after the irrefutable fact that the claims of Anne Mackie (nee Greig) and Robert Green her supporter that Anne’s daughter Hollie Greig had been sexually abused by a long list of men and women, including family, police and members of the Judiciary in Scotland, were utterly without substance, plausible or admissible evidence or any measure of corroboration, it is time to revisit one of the best 3rd. party comments on the subject.

The list of names, which they provided, was in written form and was distributed at a public meeting in Edinburgh that had been organised for them by Stuart Usher; a list which subsequently I misguidedly published for them on the internet, based upon the lies of Anne & Robert supported by Stuart Usher.

I do believe this excellent article by Anna Raccoon is worth revisiting and distributing as a means by which to further debunk the criminal exploitation of the unfortunate Hollie Greig who fortunately would seem to lack the intellectual capacity to understand the evil being promoted regarding her by numerous scoundrels and also the plain batty!

I trust this will give a greater understanding to those seeking the truth, based upon facts! My thanks to Anna Raccoon for the clarity of her article the facts contained therein would seem to tally with my understanding of the exploitation of Hollie Greig.

 

The only real abuse meted out on Hollie Greig would seem to be that which her own Mother has invented and widely promoted with her abiding allie Robert green and the likes of Brian Gerrish, David Icke, Belinda McKenzie and a host of other low lifes together with the batty and the gullible.

 

The sole saving grace being that Hollie clearly lacks the intellect to understand what is being done in her exploitation and the numerous perverts who are most gleefully following the discusion of her alleged abuse and intimate medical details for their own sexual gratification – not to mention vituperative fantasists like Matt Quinn who weave their fantasies and fictions to act as guru to the gormless no doubt deriving feelings of power and authority from their perversions as they all make the world a safer place for the paedophiles and perverts they pretend to denounce.

 

A safer place for paedophiles and perverts because decent folk who might well strive to expose such vile crimes are frightened off by what they see from the liars, rogues and rascals who so eagerly follow such cases and berate anyone so resolutely who dares to expose the actual crimes.

 

Few have either the confidence or the luxury to be able to shrug off the lies that inadequates like Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, David Icke, Brian Gerrish and their odious ilk are wont to weave to satiate their desire for profit and/or notoriety amongst their simple minded followers.

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Here is Anna RACCOON’s Excellent Summary of Hollie Greig scam, together with many questions, comments and answers:.

Robert Green – Hollie Greig

by Anna Raccoon on May 31, 2010

I apologise for the length of this piece. There are a lot of facts to be laid out.

I would also ask before you tell me that I have left this or that fact out that you refer to my original blog post on the subject – I have tried not to repeat myself here.

Comments will be open, especially if you have factual evidence to bring forward. If you come here just to hiss and spit, and treat me to some of the vile and venal abuse that has been bandied around in this case – unless it is especially witty or has some intrinsic merit, it will be deleted.

I have written before on the subject of Robert Green and his ‘campaign’ on behalf of a young female sufferer of Down’s syndrome who, he maintains, was the subject of a vicious and sustained series of rapes by both men and women.

What interests me about this particular case is the fundamental mismatch between, on one hand, the passionate campaign that has raged on Face-book and, on the other, the embarrassingly sparse ‘evidence’ on which it was based.

It has taken me some time to peel away the layers of ‘internet truth’ and to arrive at the essential facts, such as they are, that do exist.

Anne, the girl’s Mother, originally contacted two men to publicise her story. ALL the information that is on the Internet, ALL the firmly held beliefs, ALL the ‘alleged’ evidence, was given to those two men, and emerged into the world via the various means THEY took to publicise the case.

Neither of them was Robert Green. He came into the story later.

Let us take Stuart Usher first. Stuart, a part time Hot Dog salesman runs an organisation called Scotland against Crooked Lawyers and has done for some 10 years or so. It has a website www.sacl.org

Stuart has ‘named and shamed’ some 140 lawyers and judges based in Scotland on his web site regarding a variety of alleged offences, including paedophilia, who, in his opinion, are ‘crooked’. He cites, with great pride, that none of them have ever thought to sue him. Whether this is because his accusations are accurate and they are hanging their head in shame, or because they felt that giving more publicity to wild accusations whilst suing a Hot Dog salesman was possibly counter productive is a matter of opinion.

Still, Stuart Usher was a first hand confident of Anne, the girl’s Mother, and presumably had access to concrete evidence of her claims. Unfortunately, Stuart has decided to withdraw from the case ‘to spend more time with his family’ – as you will find, we end up with a list of people who were ‘in at the beginning’ who have mysteriously melted away.

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Stuart Usher to Paul Drockton

Paul
I have had increased pressure from my family recently with regard to my efforts to help other people. In a nutshell they feel the time has come for me to divert my efforts to support them instead. I have agreed to this as they have suffered badly over the years and I now feel the time has come for me to concentrate my efforts on them.

 

Mr Usher did not disappear before recording a radio interview which is available on the Internet.

You require patience and dedication to listen to it all the way through. The amateur ‘disc jockey’ suffers interminable technical problems for the first half hour, and after three quarters of an hour of attempting to make sense of Mr Usher’s words, the disc jockey returns to playing some excruciating hard rock…..I nearly lost the will to live, but I was determined to learn at first hand precisely what the claims were.

Mr Usher would tell you that Anne’s daughter was repeatedly raped at the ‘house of Sheriff B’s sister, Evelyn’. This is casualty number one in the search for truth. Sheriff B simply does not have a sister Evelyn. He may well have a dog called Evelyn, a cat even, but no sister.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Mr Usher would also tell you that Anne and her daughter were forced to ‘flee Scotland’ following the ‘murder’ of her brother Roy. Roy had apparently been ‘repeatedly battered over the head with an axe handle’ before being pushed into a car which was set alight in an arson attack.

Now one of the claims which circulates on the Internet is that this unfortunate death was ‘hushed up’ by the authorities, and described as ‘suicide’ when it was murder – the implication is usually that Roy was murdered as a direct result of Anne having laid information with the police a few days earlier. I have repeatedly been told that it was never investigated. Not true.

Whatever the Police investigation amounted to, there was an in depth investigation by an experienced journalist. One Mark Daly of the BBC. Mark Daly is the journalist who according to Robert Green was ‘bullied by his bosses’ into dropping a proposed documentary about the case. This version alternates with one which says that he was silenced by a ‘D’ notice. Mark spoke out on the Face Book group.

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.”
“After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.”

You can hear Mark Daly answering his critics here.

Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg. There the evidence that Roy had been ‘repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle’ so frequently cited, melts away to become a ‘contusion’ on his head. Contusion being the medical term for a common or garden bruise. The ‘broken ribs’ may well owe more to the strenuous efforts – efforts which earned him a medal from the Royal Humane Society – of a passing oil rig worker who pulled Roy Grieg from his car during a filthy storm and in the middle of the night and gave him CPR in an effort to save his life.

Mark Daly had also uncovered something which directly contradicted Anne’s claim that there could be no truth in the Coroner’s verdict that her brother committed suicide – for he had ‘no reason to commit suicide’. Daly discovered that Roy Greig had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing. He had recently travelled to Glasgow to obtain legal assistance in respect of these matters from his union.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

 

Two witnesses down, but fear not. We have more. Next up is Greg Lance-Watkins. Lance-Watkins has spent some 30 years campaigning on behalf of abused children. He runs an ‘enabling’ web site, which helps those children to have their own web site and tell their story under the umbrella of his main web site. Anne approached him and asked him to publicise her daughter’s story. She explained that she had no internet skills and it was agreed that he would operate the http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com and write it as though it was Hollie telling her own story. Those who claim that Hollie is a competent witness for any trial, and cite as evidence the fact that she ‘willingly’ tells her ‘own’ story on her ‘own’ web site, please take note. Mr Lance-Watkins freely admits that the words are his, using information coming from Hollie’s Mother. In his lay opinion, Hollie has a mental age of under 10.

Lance-Watkins has been in this ‘business’ for many years, and he has had some success at obtaining justice for abused children. He is, like Mark Daly, the journalist, fully aware of the necessity for concrete evidence and strongly advised Anne not to court publicity until such time as they had gathered whatever documentary evidence they could. He was assured it would be forthcoming and was available.

Eventually he managed to gain sight of the autopsy report which was cited as evidence that Anne’s brother had been wickedly battered about the head and murdered. He was slightly non plussed to discover that this only amounted to a ‘contusion’ and even more non plussed to learn of the evidence regarding a possible crime in Roy’s workplace, despite having repeatedly pressed Anne for possible reasons for Roy’s suicide.

Then he pressed Anne for the mysterious medical evidence that showed how Hollie had been brutally anally and vaginally raped for 10 years by this paedophile ring. She finally gave him this document.

It is difficult to read, it is a scanned version of a very bad folded photocopy. With diligence and Photoshop’s enlargement facilities, it is possible however.

Hollie was born at the end of 1979 and here we have a Doctor informing another Doctor that at some time prior to 1992 (the date of the letter) Hollie’s parents had jointly enquired as to the need for contraception for their daughter. It was alleged that Hollie had been making sexual overtures to other children within her special needs facility.

I do not propose to further discuss Hollie’s medical affairs; she is entitled to a darn sight more privacy than she has received so far. Suffice it to say, that those who rest their case that Hollie was ‘sexually abused’ in any form on the supposed ‘medical evidence’, would be well advised to read carefully this letter that Anne Greig claims is the evidence. You will not find one iota of evidence from the Doctor who had intimately examined her that this was so. What you will find is that at one point in her life, Hollie had suffered from a minor yet common ailment which can be transmitted sexually – though that is by no means the only way in which you can acquire it.

One could put this paucity of substantive evidence down to yet another example of the authorities ‘covering up’ the abuse of Hollie – except that this is the very document on which Anne Greig rests her case.

Lance-Watkins now reluctantly admits that he is in the embarrassing position of having been ‘duped’ . He has not precisely joined the ranks of those who have walked away from the story, he is too much of a professional for that, however, he has retired to the sidelines and thrown out an open invitation to the thousands of members of ‘Holly’s Army’ who are fighting for ‘Justice for Hollie’ to step forward with any concrete evidence before he puts his reputation at risk any more.

Predictably he has been roundly abused by all concerned for this. The myth and fallacy that abounds on the Internet is too deeply entrenched for anyone to take cautious heed of the man who spoke for Holly ceasing to speak for Holly – it is ‘obvious’ that he is part of the conspiracy protecting these mythical government figures, either that or he has been ‘bought off’ by strange figures from MI5. The truth that he is no more prepared to put his reputation on the line without evidence than was Mark Daly is too bitter a pill for them to swallow.

 

Which leaves us with the Facebook Group. The home base of Holly’s 27,000 strong army. Or does it?

For you see Paul Phillips and his girlfriend Plum, who set up that Facebook Group and urged supporters to publicise this horrendous story so successfully – well they too have retired from the fray ‘to spend more time with their family’ – as has Tom George from ScotsVInjustice, another man with lots of experience in these cases who sadly doesn’t have a family, but still feels he can do something more with his time.

The Facebook Group was closed down, but not before some horrendous mudslinging as the original publicists of the story withdrew one by one. I have never before seen such venal and vindictive commentators.

I have come across many people over the past year whilst being heavily involved in Hollie’s case – some who are sincere and genuine people and others who have obvious ulterior motives and should really question why they became involved and whose interests they were really trying to further. I would like to state publicly here that everything stated by Pabs and Plum above is all factual and I regard them both as sincere and genuine people whose motives in Hollie’s case, like mine, were purely altruistic and their detractors should be thoroughly ashamed to have denounced them in the very malicious way they have. They are both good human beings and simply did not deserve the vilification that has spewed forth their way over recent days and weeks.

I have other very serious, sad and tragic cases I am vigorously pursuing presently against the authorities in Edinburgh and, yes, Aberdeen too and I am committed to fulfilling my obligations to the people concerned. I hope my rapidly declining health does not negate me having to pass these cases on to others to help with and I can see some kind of satisfactory resolution for the individuals concerned.

Tom
Edinburgh
ScotsVInjustice@aol.com

So far we have lost the medical evidence of horrendous sexual abuse, lost the medical evidence that Anne’s brother was murdered, lost the experienced campaigners against paedophilia that we started off with, shed several experienced journalists along the way – what are we left with?

We have Robert Green, would be journalist and broadcaster, who wishes to publicise the names of the people he says that Hollie says abused her, some of who like Sheriff B’s sister, simply don’t exist. We have Paul Drockton, broadcasting from somewhere several thousand miles away having never met any of the people involved. We have a newspaper in Palestine still prepared to print these allegations against British government figures – oh and we have a new Facebook group containing all the people who would far rather believe that there is a conspiracy here, than to face the fact that all the people who started this campaign have now faded away into the shadows – awaiting something more concrete than the wild accusations thrown around by a woman who has been tormented by grief and difficulties in life.

Fortunately, we also have the figure of Paula Morris in Hollie’s home town of Shrewsbury, a sensible Social Worker, who is currently looking into the welfare of this deeply vulnerable young woman and whether she is capable of making an informed decision as to whether she should be paraded on radio and Internet as the poster girl for the hysterical Hollie’s Army.

There is considerable sexual abuse of young women (and men) with Down’s syndrome. It is an entrenched problem. It is invariably carried out by those who have easy access to these young people. Fathers, brothers, uncles, both real and phoney, bus drivers, care attendants. In some rare cases, and they are rare compared to the bulk of disgracefully mundane cases of sexual abuse, they will include figures from other walks of life. Yes, even Judges, and policemen.

What Hollie’s Army have succeeded in doing is gaining wide spread recognition of the apparent ‘fact’ – without any evidence – that paedophilia is part and parcel of a government conspiracy, rather than an event which is all around you every day, next door to you even. That it is a celebrity vice. That may please their desire for publicity. It does nothing for the thousands of Down’s Children who need to be protected.

Perhaps all 27,000 of Holly’s Army might care to get themselves CRB checked – those of them who are able to pass such a check, for sure there will be paedophiles amongst these groups – where else will they find constant discussions of the finer points of sexual abuse? And when they have passed their checks, they might care to volunteer to help protect these deeply vulnerable individuals. They will find it most rewarding.

Perhaps a tad boring compared to the glamour of demanding the right to libel most of the Scottish political establishment on the basis of zero evidence and wild accusations.

Tagged as: abuse, Anne Greig, hollie, mark daly, robert green, usher

Ms Raccoon lives in the Monbazillac area of South West France, renowned for its fine wines and gourmet food, so she frequently finds better things to do than sit in front of a computer all morning. She is liable to take off traveling at a moment’s notice. Consequently this blog only gets updated these days when it is raining – and it doesn’t rain very often round here…

{ 78 comments }

1 Old Holborn May 31, 2010 at 15:14

Now you’ve gone and done it

2 Joe Public May 31, 2010 at 15:49

A complex issue Anna. Smoke & Mirrors in abundance.

3 JuliaM May 31, 2010 at 15:55

Good grief, I just revisited that original thread. It sure went south after a while, didn’t it?

4 spartan_69 May 31, 2010 at 16:24

l’ve come across many conspiracy groups/individuals and found all use the ‘prove we’re wrong’ approach. ln fact it is the very soul of their existance because a conspiracy can never be ‘proved wrong’ . You cannot put forth factual evidence as this is deemed part of the conspiracy itself, the facts have been manipulated or manufactured say the conspiracy brigade.

l’m afraid that you have now become part of the conspiracy yourself in the eyes of the ’27,000′ and others. l hope you are prepared for an onslaught of abuse, for you have put yourself in their crosshairs.

l doubly hope that it never materialises though. l wish you well.

5 RantinRab May 31, 2010 at 17:06

I may have touched upon this story a while back at mines, I cannot remember.

I have been asked to publicise Hollie’s ‘case’ a few times over the past year or so. Tempting as it was to have a pop at the Scottish establishment my spider sense was tingling. I let it be.

I’m glad I did.

6 Bluebell May 31, 2010 at 17:34

Quite honestly, I don’t know enough about this to form an opinion but the link that you give is for the Saskatchewan Association of Community Living, http://www.sacl.org, and not as you state Scotland against Crooked Lawyers. In a case where there is some doubt about facts, please ensure your own are correct.

7 Anna Raccoon May 31, 2010 at 17:48

Thanks Bluebell, I shall check the link – probably my typing!

8 Anna Raccoon May 31, 2010 at 17:52

Bluebell – try this one not that it will do you any good – seems the entire web site has run for the hills…….http://www.sacl.info/

9 JuliaM June 1, 2010 at 04:55

“…seems the entire web site has run for the hills…”

That’s an encouraging sign, isn’t it?

10 Eleanor May 31, 2010 at 17:49

Well done, Anna. More people agree with you than you might think.

Whether or not the allegations have any basis in fact, is irrelevant. There is no proof. And if the abuse was as long standing and as horrific as has been suggested, then one would expect to find something, however small. Instead of which, this child is being abused by the very people who purport to protect her.

11 Garibaldi May 31, 2010 at 19:15

WORD PERFECT. Both you and GLW (along with several others) are the absolute voices of reason – do not stop using your voice Anna. Thankyou for speaking for a growing number of people who are genuinely concerned for Hollie Greig’s wellbeing. Poster Girl? She absolutely is, and it’s verging on a criminal act. Please keep going.

12 English Viking May 31, 2010 at 19:52

Anna,

Good piece, which more than highlights the absolute necessity for evidence before making these kind of accusations.

Sorry to be picky, but you use the word ‘venal’ a couple of times. Perhaps you mean ‘visceral’?

13 Anna Raccoon May 31, 2010 at 21:42

English Viking – thank-you – I meant venomous actually!

14 English Viking May 31, 2010 at 22:05

Doesn’t matter, still a good piece.

15 ruth allan May 31, 2010 at 20:51

May God forgive you for this coverup.

16 Love conquers all May 31, 2010 at 21:00

Well He obviously doesn’t lose any sleep over paedophiles.

17 Greg_L-W. May 31, 2010 at 21:06

Hi,

It is good to see another voice of reason laying out the facts in a professional and forensic manner. Sadly there is absolutely no one providing EVIDENCE in a similarly responsible manner for it seems there is none!

My phone number, my address and my eMail are freely and readily available for ANYONE to provide EVIDENCE of abuse.

In this story to date the ONLY actual EVIDENCE of abuse that has come to light has been the very clear evidence that Hollie Greig, a very very vulnerable member of our society, has been most venally and distatefully publicly exploited and abused by:

Anne Greig her Mother who would seem to be off on a toot of her own but with NO EVIDENCE

Robert Green whose actions have been crass incompetent self serving and criminal, even shamefully naming and blaming his victims as he has NO EVIDENCE

Stuart Usher, who largely due to a distinct verbal communication impediment, has promoted his private grievences and unsubstantiated accusations as with his lurid sacl.info, yet has NO EVIDENCE

Yes there are a number of cunning and sly low lifes on NutJobTV, Bedroom Broadcast Conspirators and low distribution publishing who parade such cases – sandwiched between their sad exploitation of the weak minded and inadequate who have been sat on by life.

Those who wish to blame their own incompetence and failures (and of course their benefit cheques) on lizards, aliens, conDENSATION trails, abductions, Illuminati, FBI, Islam, CIA, immigrants, the bosses, Government, The Masons, Big Government, Common Purpose, Bigger Government, The KGB, Bohemian Grove, Mossad, The Nazis, the New World Order, bullets that bounce off windows, clicks on the phone from auto switching gear, MI5, black ops, The DVD, MI6, Martians, OLAF, secret globalists, The Queen, black helicopters, the Bush family, oil, peak oil, too much oil, lack of oil, UFOs and so on ad naseam.

NO the sad truth is life sat on you and was fairly hard going because you chose your GRANDPARENTS badly and have their genetics.

Sadly the exploitation of Hollie Greig, by the sad and the sick does not want FACTS to expose their conspiracy fantasies, but THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Fortunately Hollie would seem not to have sufficient mental accumen to understand she is being exploited and abused as she is paraded like an exhibit in a Barnum & Bailey show of freaks of the 1890s. The vicarious pleasure of those who would fail their CRBs must be huge!

nooccaR annA has exposed the exploiters and shown they have got it 100% wrong – first you provide THE EVIDENCE and then you seek Justice.

Approaching it backwards they have made criminals of themselves and shown they have NO EVIDENCE.

IF suddenly Anne Greig or Robert Green produce evidence then sadly it can only be EVIDENCE that they are liars as they have promised me AND OTHERS that we are aware of ALL the EVIDENCE they have.

I believe it is time that the duely funded authorities considered placing far greater supervision and care of Hollie Greig at the top of their priorities, considered medical attention for Anne Greig and prosecution of Robert Green.

It may well be apposite for The Court of Protection to investigate Hollie’s finances and how Anne has disbursed them!

I think that the story has yet further to run, so those deriving a vicarious pleasure from studying the sexual information and claimed abuse may still get their jollies – just as those who derived pleasure from fantasising over Roy Greig’s sad suicide can still get their kicks by issuing their sad death threats as they masturbate in their lonely bedrooms.

IF YOU have any EVIDENCE or need help, I have, as Ms. Raccoon states been exposing abuse since the 1950s!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

18 Put up or shut up! May 31, 2010 at 23:28

It is time that Mr Green and Ms Greig put up or shut up …

Show the world and your very deluded and duped followers this “damning evidence” that you claim to have to prove that Hollie was systematically and repeatedly sexually abused and violated by a “paedophile rape gang” in Aberdeen throughout the 1990s.

Why did Mr Green not take his opportunity when he had it back in February and March to get the case into the Scottish Courts? What do his very deluded followers know about that missed opportunity? Has he told them he could have exposed Hollie’s case in court but failed to do so?

Are Shropshire Social Services now doing a full vulnerable adult assessment to ascertain if Hollie is fully aware of the allegations made in her name and do they think she should be taken into care for her own protection and to avoid further public humiliation and exploitation on social network sites (Facebook), various blogs and in the alternative media radio and TV world?

Robert Green has done so much damage to many peoples lives and reputations now that he should be further restricted of his liberty and silenced for good … for the sake of Hollie and all those he has publicly named in this abomination of a case. Perhaps it is also time that his own mental state was fully and properly assessed by experts to determine his own sanity and reasoning.

Time the Scottish and English authorities took pragmatic action and end this charade once and for all …

19 P T Barnum June 1, 2010 at 00:09

Anna, you deserve great credit for this forensic disclosure of the campaign and its shaky foundations. While my own gut instinct told me that there was something very wrong in the way the story was being promulgated, and therefore probably with the story as well, none of us can say one way or the other if there is any substance to the claims of conspiracy. But what we can be clear about, in large part due to your efforts, is that we should be highly sceptical about the truth-status of the parental version, and the aims of the campaign as well.

Cui bono?

20 Greg_L-W. June 1, 2010 at 00:11

Hi,

Robert Green must be profoundly ashamed of the evil he has stirred up without ANY EVIDENCE.

For those who wish to see the depths of depravity these SCUM will sink to to try to discredit those who have exposed them:
http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/05/sk-h217-now-look-how-scum-respond-to.html

Robert Green has most clearly stirred up a particularly evil claque of abusers and exploiters seeking their 15 minutes (well 2 possibly) minutes of onanism!

No wonder all the FB groups in their shame are plunging back into the slime under their stones and ‘going private’ like Gollom they do not fair well in the spotlight of truth!

Well done for exposing them M. Raccoon and others now we must try to keep tabs on them so they can not foment more witch hunts for their vicarious pleasure and gain!

So that they can not ruin the lives of more innocent victims and so that where possible they can be kept away from the vulnerable!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

21 Garibaldi June 1, 2010 at 06:49

Talking of Poster girl/boys, take a look at one of the MAIN Hollie Greig propagators; a self-confessed Genius with a microphone and tape machine in his spare room…this is the hard-core DJ (poor man’s Alex Jones god help us). This man apparently came along and offered his gold-plated services to Hollie’s Army **Cor Blimey I hope there are no gays in HOLLE’S army!!** This is the calibre of man they have chosen in a sense over the award winning journo Mark Daly.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130400523643760&v=wall

Seriously…. so desperate, misinformed and misguided are this out of control shower, that they jump at any chance of broadcasting this poor wretched woman’s personal details on any old airwave in any old country by the first random disk jockey who sniffs them out and see it as a major breakthrough . Yet still they do not see the utter irony in what they do – that is, parade this vulnerable woman …. actually hang on there. Why not consider for a minute if Hollie’s physical form corresponded with her suggested mental age of say 8. Who would violate a little 8 year old girl ‘s human rights this way and NOT be stopped by the authorities? Come on Social Services, please do something here!

The trouble with groups such as this is that initially one is struck dumb with the horror of the ‘case’ (obviously) – Stage 1. Stage 2 is the feeling of comradeship and strength in numbers and the nirvana of feeling one has a chance to ‘nail the bastard paedos’ which is really quite seductive and satisfying. Stage 3 they are swept up into a thick froth of emotion, campaigning and rampaging …. fundamentally decent enough people (though undoubtedly many with their own agendas) at last with a solid opportunity to make a difference in the world. Fair enough, if the case they are fighting for is a strong one and has oodles of evidence. I think they are stuck now at the level of delirious denial – they poo-poo the likes of Mark Daly and instead choose to worship at the alter of Paul Drockton. They scurry away amongst themselves in hidden Facebook, unable to even consider another perspective like ferrets in a cage planning their big escape into the paradise where Justice for Hollie is a reality. …thanks to them and their leafleting on a Saturday afternoon.

I’m sorry to say that it’s at this point one would consider the possiblity that Hollie has taken a back seat….their own internal ‘told you so’ mantra becomes so utterly paramount, that the subject of and philosophy behind the campaign is shoved under the carpet somewhat. High as kites on their agendas, they are so blinkered that even if the case WAS brought to the highest court in the whole damn world with Ban Ki Moon pouring the tea and Bono and Sting providing the catering …even if here it was ripped to shreds and thrown out of court WHICH IT WOULD BE they would still soldier on regardless! They are gone, swept away with the fairies and merrily the woman’s mother is allowing this to happen. If they all had the strength of character (including the mum and Green) to step down now, there would I am sure be a Mexican Wave of Respect for their courage in doing so from all of us tortured observers of this dire affair.

Hollie Greig will continue as their poster girl and continue to be used by these spectacularly stupid people I’m afraid, until the ‘authorities’ bloody step in and do something about it.

22 Greg_L-W. June 1, 2010 at 07:28

Hi,

to assist >Garibaldi<:
Hollie Greig will continue as their poster girl and continue to be used by these spectacularly stupid people I

23 Garibaldi June 1, 2010 at 09:25

Consider the letter of support written and posted.

24 dave June 1, 2010 at 09:50

That was a good analysis of the case Anna. I’ve not got an axe to grind in this case but just want to see it all resolved. You didn’t explore some points that I’m still confused about.
Could you find out why Levy & McRae , the Scottish Justice Sec McAskill ‘s previous employer, are involved and who is paying them ?
Why Peter Watson is allowed to silence any talk of the case in the media ?
Why Lord Advocate Angiolini is allowed to take a role after her previous delays in similar court cases led to cases being thrown outof court. ? And who is paying for all her libel actions ?
Was it necessary to conduct a dawn raid on Mr Greens house ?
Why the court case is taking so long to be heard considering what happened with similar cases in the past that had to be kicked into the long grass.
Thanks

25 Little sis June 1, 2010 at 18:11

I echo Dave’s request. Its alright Anna and Greg LW shouting from the rooftops but they’re as guilty for not covering the bits that they can’t answer either. No one has a compleatly un clouded, un biased view on this case. Glw has an axe to grind, that is quite apparant from his bitter blogs…and to publish the Greigs address is surely the lowest of the low. And to say that that is what Anne Greig did with the alleged perpetrators…you don’t know that. You are as bad Anna and Greg because you’re feeding off all this too. As for the facts???? They aren’t all up here thats for sure. As for the alleged paedophiles…they don’t need you to champion them….they’re are doing a good job of protecting themselves I would say.

26 Subrosa June 1, 2010 at 10:25

Anna, most brave of you to approach this story again and with such professionalism. Several times I was asked to take it on board, but refused, as I have a personal interest in Down’s Syndrome children and did not want this young woman to undergo any more public display than necessary unless there was evidence.

Two matters in the case stopped me in my tracks. Firstly the mother’s comment that she had to ‘flee’ Aberdeen. I decided she chose to leave Aberdeen after reading her online publications. Secondly when I heard Robert Green implying in his video that the First Minister Alex Salmond was implicated, I looked into the matter. In Green’s video he says Hollie’s mother wrote to Alex Salmond and received no reply (thus Salmond’s silence was his guilty by association). That was untrue. Salmond replied to the mother within four weeks.

Of course agencies such as social services are not perfect, but in defence of Aberdeen, I wouldn’t say they were any worse there than in other areas of the UK. The Scottish legal system does require a shake up and is a small world. In some ways it’s a pity they do not publicly defend themselves against such allegations; in other ways their silence may be more beneficial to the young woman who I consider is being exploited.

27 DaveP June 1, 2010 at 11:56

There is now so much “information” flying around about this case, and so many reputations being trashed, that surely the time has come for the authorities in Scotland to do something.

Most people I speak to back home in Scotland have heard “bits” of this story, and a lot comment on the involvement of the “elite”, and in particular of a Sheriff..although most cannot name him. All this is rumbling under the surface, and as time marches on will only get worse the way things are going.

Names of alleged victims and offenders are now all over the internet, together with some of their home addresses. Anyone now coming into contact with this case is almost certainly going to believe what they see on the internet. After all, if people have had their names dragged through the mud, including a Sheriff, and nothing has been done to right a possible wrong, then in most peoples minds there must be some truth to the case.

There is not a lot of confidence in the honesty of the justice system in Scotland, and yes, the police there are mostly in the Freemasons, and a lot are corrupt. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service is also somewhat corrupt. I would hope, that a police force outside of Grampian, preferably not another Scottish force, (too incestuous), be instructed to fully investigate the case in full, and “put it to bed” once and for all. Whoever has broken any law can then get punished accordingly.

28 Allcingeye June 1, 2010 at 13:56

It is Fine Running Down Robert Green And Hollie Greig but The young lady is saying she has been raped and she wants to fight,
Mark Daly managed to get a autopsy Report, Remember mark Daly still believes Hollie Was telling the truth about being raped.
and how did Mark Daly get a private Autopsy Report As Ann did not have it when Mark was looking at making his video on the cover up. I hope people do listen to Mark Daly you will hear a very scared Mark Daly May be The sister mentioned was a sister inlaw, is there any kind fellow who can help sheriff buchanan make a video.
I take it if Hollie Greig with Down syndrome can get on a few videos
sheriff buchanan has the right to do the same and the others involved as well, or can take Hollie Greig to court.

29 Radical Views June 1, 2010 at 20:42

There are a lot of people out there trying to burst this particular bubble as it grows and grows beyond the ability of the authorities to control the situation. Good evening trolls! If YOU have any evidence, I mean concrete evidence that you can bring to the police to prove that this horrendous tale is anything less than that portrayed by the Greigs and their supporters – bring it on! Otherwise we are left with the inevitable conclusion that the media, politicians and the legal system are avoiding this like the plague because it will bring their whole pack of satanic cards crashing down – and what a mess that would be. So, yes, support the satanic fraternity if you wish, but I will have nothing to do with it and will continue to support all moves to reveal the gruesome truth about our so-called leaders.

30 Radical Review June 2, 2010 at 01:47

‘If YOU have any evidence, I mean concrete evidence that you can bring to the police to prove that this horrendous tale is anything less than that portrayed by the Greigs and their supporters

31 A Guy June 2, 2010 at 02:47

What really makes me laugh is the likes of Sandra Barr and Paul Drockton. Never met anyone related to the case and fully prepared to lie and slander on one hand and play the “love and light” card with the other hand……crazy people…

32 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 09:57

Anna you have made a few errors in your article I am afraid, and you have glossed over certain characters’ input to the cause so let me help you out and give you the chance to dispel the theory that you are working alongside such scum.

The man you write about GLW was actually the first person to put the alleged abusers names on the internet. H’s mother apparently had no internet access and gave this man full permission to blog on Hollie’s behalf as she trusted him. Is honestly possible that a man of such experience (I do not doubt that he is a very intelligent man) would publish this list of 14 names, names of high ranking officials in Scotland without doing his research? Are we to honestly believe that his heart was so big that he jumped on this information with good intentions and printed the names putting his reputation at risk?
Or perhaps… just perhaps… he read over the names, did his research and noticed H’s mother had listed Evelyn as sister and not sister in law. Perhaps he printed this list knowing that if anyone such as Mark Daly became involved that little mistake could be highlighted to make the story less credible?
The said Blogger’s nasty and drawn out arguments with the likes of Paul Drockton have caused Tom George to quit, and unfortunately Mr Drockton took this as a sign of Tom being a ‘turncoat’. Mr Drockton does not speak for all H supporters. I’m afraid his homophobic and paranoid rantings have done the campaign a lot of harm… people are exposing his anti-gay groups with absolute GLEE and calling him poor man’s Alex Jones. So what if he is? It is people like you who are giving him such credence in the campaign. Most of us H supporters really don’t give him a second thought. Why are people like you determined to portray him as ‘a leading light?’
What is your interest in doing so?
Anyway Anna I don’t expect you to print this as you seem to have made up your mind about the whole thing, I just wish I had your black and white approach to life it would sure help me sleep better at night.
Also Pabs and Plum were NOT the creators of the larger facebook group, there was a guy J who set up the group and Pabs contacted him ASKING to be an administrator. Was J perhaps a little too trusting in accepting him? Perhaps he did not realise how big this was going to be….
Anyway Anna best wishes to you, perhaps you won’t mind me pointing out these FACTS.

33 Garibaldi June 2, 2010 at 14:43

“Mr Drockton does not speak for all H supporters.” ” Most of us H supporters really don

34 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 16:04

Garibaldi I honestly do not know what I would do if one of my children said they were ‘raped by lawyers and judges’ and nobody in power would help. I do not know what I would be capable of.

As far as the Drockton issue goes a LOT of H’s supporters have been put off by his unnecessary attack on TG. He is NOT the leader of H’s campaign, never has been and never will be. You only have to look at the amount of members in his facebook groups to see that.

35 Garibaldi June 2, 2010 at 16:45

Not the leader no – you mis-quote me. God help you; Robert Green is, is he not? (Much much worse) But Drockton of Mighty Brain IS A LEADING LIGHT!!! The man has a microphone, a radio programme and a loudish voice, is happy to pimp his wretched programme on YOUR FACEBOOK GROUP PAGE dear. **Ding Dong** Penny dropped yet? Hooray, now you see it – Hollie Greig’s face plastered all over the internet, airwaves, leaflets in Glasgow last Saturday etc = total exploitation and I do believe the penny is finally begining to drop. Be brave, go the full way and STOP using Hollie Greig as self-medication all of you. Seek it elsewhere.

36 Greg_L-W. June 2, 2010 at 16:25

Hi,

my congratulations to MotherOf2 – imagine when so much has already been written by way of fantasy by the ill informed and the fantasist exploiting this story amid their chakras, karmas and fanciful bile – I must congratulate you on managing to invent a new Conspiracy.

That’ll keep the idiots guessing.

Just in passing you will note if dilligent I did NOT publish the names first – they had already been put in the public domain. By the way now you remind me that with the simplest of investigation the BBC chap who I have NEVER spoken to but know of well from associates who have worked with him over many years – he of course identified the fact that the list Robert Green had so glibly published without ANY evidence was I gather clearly wrong.

A pity you are not better connected but sadly as you are too ashamed of your foolish comments and your new conspiracy theory to put your name to them or I could have provided you with contacts better informed than I as in this instance I never offered to ‘Investigate’, and both Anne & Robert were more than happy to regularly spend an age on the phone to me and utilise my contacts as neither of them had ANY.

Amusingly we note you are isolated in that you claim Tom George quit because I exposed the imbecilic bedroom broadcaster Drockton for the liar and charlatan he is yet it is he who seeks to conving we are one and the same whilst the idiotic Matt Quinn seeks to claim Paul Phillips, Tom George and myself are actually reincarnations of Roy Greig or Anne’s son – delusional or what, but clearly you are nearly as batty.

You are right though perhaps it was to fltter the flattulent excrecence Drockton by calling him a poor man’s Alex Jones!

By the way is the J of your fantasy your crystal ball assures you set up farcebook – You don’t believe you may have misread the rhunes when in fact you meant Pabs and Plum who were asked by James Ellis to help set it up.

Such a pity of your so called facts you managed to get almost all wrong but never mind with your silly name you are spared the embarrassment that your children may have had with such a staggeringly self important fool as a Mother.

Do try to get the odd thing right next time – IF you want some accurate facts you can give me a call since you are clearly so out of touch!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

37 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 17:02

I will back out of this now, clearly I have rattled the cage of a man who is unstable and I just don’t care to be on the receiving end of his next internet RANT. I certainly do not care to telephone a man who is capable of such bile, I feel he has done himself no favours at all being so nasty and vitriolic towards people who are simply seeking the truth and perhaps this is the reason people look to ‘conspiracy theories’ rather than what he DEMANDS we believe.
The lowest point which has been reached so far is printing H’s address on the internet – downright disgusting – so forgive me if I don’t take his word.

Also I did not call Paul Drockton a “Poor man’s Alex Jones’ I was quoting the Raccoon herself.

As for me being a self important fool of a mother well Mr LW it takes one to know one.

38 Anna Raccoon June 2, 2010 at 17:05

Mother of2,

La Raccoon has never referred to Paul Drockton as a ‘poor man’s Alex Jones’ – kindly give a correct reference to this quote.

39 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 17:10

I do beg your pardon Ms Raccoon this was in another comment by another person. It was not my intention to call him it directly.

40 Hollie June 2, 2010 at 19:29

Well done Mother of 2 for letting people have an insight into the farce that calls himself GLW. This man speaks of the exploitation and abuse H is suffering by being ”paraded around the internet” , the man is so concerned he contacted Social Services regarding this issue, yet this same man then prints H’s full address on his blog.
Need I say more.
If anything happens to Hollie since her address has been published I will hold you personally responsible.

41 Radical Review June 2, 2010 at 20:49

You will hold motherof2 responsible??

Read your post again Hollie.

42 Green gets called to account … June 3, 2010 at 02:53

The ruthless and reckless charlatan, fantasist, liar and menace that is Robert Green gets called to account in this very courageous and truthful open letter. But will he have the integrity, courage, humility and honour to now do what’s being asked of him … or will his arrogance, selfishness and HUGE ego prevent him for doing so?

Time will tell …

http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/06/sk-h221-paul-phillips-to-robert-green.html

Well done to the brave, honest, humble and honourable Paul Phillips for calling the very ruthless, reckless and arrogant Mr Green to account.

Paul is a man of honour who deserves to be applauded for exposing this public menace and liar once and for all.

Green should be arrested and put in prison for his reckless actions over the past 18 months.

43 Phil Brennan June 3, 2010 at 13:11

I have been reporting on this case for some time, and even though I believe that something must have happened to Hollie Greig, I have always refused to name names simply because to do so would ruin any chance of a fair trial should it ever come to court.

The sudden silence concerning the case is suspicious to me, but I shall withhold judgement until such a time as all the facts come to light. Yes, my suspicions are raised…

Meanwhile, if legitimate activists would like me to highlight cases they have successfully prosecuted I would be delighted to do so.

44 The “Hollie’s Barmy Army” Facebook braying mob June 3, 2010 at 21:48

The “Hollie’s Barmy Army” Facebook braying mob …

They all sit at their computers; judging, condemning, speculating, mocking, spitting, hissing, gnarling, growling and ripping each other to shreds.

They accuse, condemn, defame, slander and hang the noose around others necks without a shred of evidence and anyone given a fair trial in a court of law.

They demand “Justice For Hollie” without realising the injustice they are perhaps doing to all those who they have already publicly named and condemned without a shred of evidence to support their screams for “justice”.

They don’t know Anne and that she possibly is indeed mentally ill (to a greater or lesser degree) and perhaps could even be suffering from M

45 Robert GREEN HAS FINALLY FLIPPED!! June 4, 2010 at 06:40
46 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 09:38

Hi,

there is a huge amount more original evidence now published on:
http://StolenKids-Hollie.blogspot.com

ALL bringing us inexorably closer to Justice and the truth and making it clear that only with EVIDENCE can an enquiry be held.

You will however note my cunning plan – I have requested Shrewasbury Social Services learning skills section look into the possibility that Hollie Greig who would seem to have a mental age of around 5 be investigated as there is a possibility she is being exploited and abused!

Clever or what!

Obviously this will lead to establishing the truth and getting Justice – IF the braying asses of Hollie’s Bonkers Army of nutters are right and Robert Green & Anne Greig are telling the truth then we WILL get Justice and they have nothing to fear.

IF of course they actually have something to fear they are likely to be councelled by those seeking to exploit them to ‘leg it’ – of course this will be most effective until Hollie has need of medical care WHAT THEN?

How confident are those who would be mad enough to harbour them that long term damage isn’t being done – have YOU the expertise to stop Robert, or worse still Anne going Postal IF they are exposed by the very enquiry they wanted me to get for them!

There is as you ALL know for certain NO EVIDENCE could there be some out there who are stupid enough to take these risks with other people’s lives WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

You have seen the utter lunacies of poor sad/evil Robert Greens Uriah Heep performances and his utterly and proven barking denunciations of ANYONE who has seen through his scam. If you haven’t – hunt them down they are a text book study of delusional derangement – the man is as mad as a stoat – a dangerous out of control menace in society at large.

Just read the FACTS produce the evidence. His stunning stupidity is there for all to see. As with the MADLY proliferating blogs and web sites crammed with bizarre fantasies and obsessions about me and sadly also A.R.

I could care less I owe my living to no man and in my impecunity I have the independence Millionaires strive for – but think of the lynch mob should they ever wish to get off of benefits and get a job and a life – will their current fantastical stupidity harm their prospects for life as they linger on on the internet?

Sorry – false sympathy is so transparent ;-(

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

47 Garibaldi June 4, 2010 at 10:11

“How confident are those who would be mad enough to harbour them that long term damage isn

48 Radical Review June 4, 2010 at 10:07

can anyone clarify how the justice system works?
I had thought that if there are complaints of abuse against a vulnerable person, then the justice system in the process of preparing a case for court, would require social services to provide reports? How would Social Services do this if they did not interact with the complainant?
Surely the FB campaigners and Robert Green who want an open investigation should see this as a step to what they have been asking for?

49 Radical Review June 4, 2010 at 10:41

#45, I am reading your links in utter horror. Robert Greens ‘statement’ is nuts. If social services don’t get involved and protect this woman from him and the FB crazies there is going to be a tragedy. I can’t see any other outcome unless this madness is halted now.

50 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 11:09

Hi,

Radical – I regret you are 100% right and thse exploiters are now USING Hollie, Anne & Robert and it is a VERY dangerous and unpredictable game they are ‘playing’ they know it but insist on basing their idiotic arguments on barely understood hearsay, inadequate checks and trying to make as if who cares what money I have.

The barking bufoons at UKIP column are now openly claiming it must be true I’m a Government agent because they don’t know where I get my money from!!

Just think this loon Gerrish was once allowed to wear a British Uniform and put in charge of a plastic washing up bowl and a crew of not many! But people no less!

One of UKIP’s very few sensible actions was toss him out alomng with the idiotic and vicious Albert the polisher and legal genius (well Special Constable!). You just couldn’t make it up. Gerrish has surrounded himself like a latter day Charlie Manson in his cult of geriatric crones and bizarre Squeeky Fromes!

They’ve got god which is deeply worrying he is supposed to have wandered around on a hill near THEM.

Gerrish had a hissy fit with me years ago when I gave him his first platform outside his bathroom! An intense, paranoid and furtive little chap but I made the mistake of questioning his evidence – I supplied him with data on the graduates of Common Purpose and as ever he had to be in charge and stole the disc!!

He is not a lot less mad than Robert Green but just as vicious if you ask for EVIDENCE. That is why they make absolutely no meaningful headway because all that a cult permits is sad followers but no reason, no logic and heaven forefend NO EVIDENCE!!

Watch their seminars on video they are slick, competent and crass!

Now look at the fantasy of the Hollie Story!! NO EVIDENCE just the utterly mad ravings of Robert Green – all so simple to repudiate.

By the way why is it their business how I ear my money? I’m puzzled by that! So because the idiots can’t identify how I live I must be a Government agent – how barking is that!!

These idiots must be the only people left who have avoided reading my output – anyone heard the latest joke?
Greg’s a Government Agent!!

OK Green, Gerrish, and the rest of the paranoid lunatic fringe – have you got any evidence to back your fantasies, libels, slanders and defamation.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

51 Pabs June 4, 2010 at 12:47

I am shocked at the way this has panned out. Shocked with myself. Shocked by the brimstone evangelists that send you to hell for questioning your own faith in THEIR conviction. Shocked by the way they stand for justice whilst parading a vulnerable girl like a wild west freak show in the name of openess and justice. Shocked by the hypocritical demands for answers and apologies (yet can come forward with neither). Shocked at the remorseless cold treatment of people who have given so much time, effort, energy, dogmatic trust – that are then hailed as shills and agents merely for asking to have the conclusive proof shared or acted upon before we continue with upholding the most serious of claims possible. Shocked at the fact that the government have not stepped in to defend themselves (probably because they do actually have something to hide – nothing to hide, nothing to fear remember). Shocked at the vitriolic abuse that is spat at each other in the name of truth. I am shocked at the human race. We are an abomination to evolution. I am also not only shocked but disgusted with all of the above.

I have however met many quiet, genuine, hurt, hopeful, needy and clearly wonderful people that have fallen foul of our own species, especially through being involved in this. Be it those that genuinely want us to do a lot better as a species or victims of establishment, relatives, social networking lunatics, glory hunters, paranoid deviants. These are the people I stand for. The hope for humanity is with them and it is these that will suffer most from the continuation of farces such as this that is Robert Greens responsibility to address honourably.

There is oil flooding into the seas which is a potential disaster of a scale we have never known, there are soldiers killing innocent civilians in illegal wars with radioactive munitions, heads of banking and media colluding in secret meetings – that is NOW.

We are consumed with the actions of a charlatan. But it is all part of the change that we are seeing and it is down to the individual to seek and accept the truth. I accept my foolishness in running with this over the last 5 months and am seeking to rectify it, not to save my skin, but as I am duty bound to make all those aware of my concerns for the validity of something I so strongly disseminated to them. How do I explain to my father that what he got so upset by but was proud of my courage to stand for – that it was a hoax? My friends. 27000 people that came in hope? There have been some incredible lessons here. If we learn from them I believe we can forgive ourselves and others and also still see the change we hoped for.

My thoughts are, as they always were, with Hollie for whatever the truth of this – it is she that will remain the abused and innocent. Also with those that looked to this wreckers lamp charading as a lighthouse in the storm of our de-humanisation.

Consequence is no coincidence.

52 Anna Raccoon June 4, 2010 at 12:50

Pablo,
I stand in awe of your eloquence.
Congratulations.

53 Radical Review June 4, 2010 at 13:06

here, here.

54 Garibaldi June 4, 2010 at 13:07

Aye well that’s set me off with the tears Pabs. Beautiful, the utter truth perfectly written and presented in a nut shell. Thankyou.

55 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 14:17

Agree with all the above plaudits.

Pabs – you know how I feel about you buddy … the most honourable and decent man to come out of this tragedy.

I am as regretful about this whole very sorry and tragic state of affairs as you are and am very ashamed that I was duped by the charm, plausibility and cunning ruthlessness and recklessness of Robert Green – he who demands apologies of others, but isn’t honourable and honest enough to do so himself and concede he might, just might, have made a mistake and got it wrong … a hellova lot wrong. The arrogance of this man is quite astounding.

God help Anne and Hollie now – wherever they may be hiding out? They are in the “care” of a charlatan(s), deluded fool(s) and criminal(s).

I only hope if they are in need of urgent medical help, their own health won’t be sacrificed to protect the identity of those who have spirited them away.

My thoughts are with them – no matter what they too may think about me now … I care not a jot what the braying mob think and they are free to phone me if they want to denegrate me and challenge me in any way.

07791-226-490

56 Scarlet Pimpernel June 4, 2010 at 16:29

I am not a “brimstone evangelist”. I am though quite confused as to your position.

“How do I explain to my father that what he got so upset by but was proud of my courage to stand for

57 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 17:26

Scarlet Pimpernel said …

“May I ask just what it is you think the government have to hide if it is all a hoax?” …

Perhaps the fact that they should have dealt with the allegations more thoroughly and professionally a decade ago, thus avoiding the ill-informed, ruthless, reckless and highly irresponsible braying mob onslaught ten years later.

Still waiting for Drockton and Green to publicly apologise and show some humility …

“They seek them here, they seek them there … those many duped souls seek them everywhere. Are they in heaven or are they in HELL, those damn elusive Pimpernels”!

58 Scarlet Pimpernel June 4, 2010 at 18:24

Fair point Mr George. However, I hope you do not think I am “ill-informed. ruthless and highly irresponsible”? Perhaps a couple of hundred years ago, but not now. As for braying, I leave that to the more unsavoury of mobs sir!

Does our Mr George also speak for you Mr Phillips?

You are thoroughly deserving of an apology from the American, but Green? Has he also slandered your good name?

Finally sir, if I am in “HELL”, then I can only say what a thoroughly pleasant “HELL” it is! In fact, I could not recommend “HELL” more highly!

59 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 19:32

I have no idea if you are “ill-informed, ruthless and highly irresponsible”. I am still seeking you as you know. But I’m delighted to read you are not of the braying variety – that’s a relief to see … phewee! I would never wish to cross swords with you SP.

No, of course, I don’t talk for Pabs – he, like G L-W, is more than capable of speaking for himself, as I think you know. But I do respect him immensely and agree with his very eloquent analysis of this very tragic tale now I regret to say.

Thank you for agreeing that “the American” does indeed owe me apology – I can clearly see, whoever (and wherever ?) you are, you are a fair, reasoned and rational person. It is a great pity there weren’t more amidst all the melee that ensued some time ago in this very sorry affair.

Yes, I’m afraid the ever so charming, plausible, manipulative, arrogant, cunning, ruthless, reckless, two-faced and LYING Mr Green (SUE ME) has indeed slandered my name with others – as he has Pabs … to me on the phone on Tuesday past when I phoned him up again to challenge his deafening silence and callous indifference and to put him on the spot. He said Pabs was “a liar” in fact – just like I apparently called Hollie “a liar” … NOT. It was pretty desperate stuff. Now that I am no longer just another “yes man” and adoring, deluded, duped and fawning fan, he has gone off me somewhat – kind of indicates the very warped and ruthless personailty-disordered type we are really dealing with here. Not very honourable or gentlemanly at all I’m afraid to say.

I am of course so sorry to learn that you are presently in “HELL”, but I am pleased to read that you seem to be in good company there. I hope you never get burnt and enjoy the stay with “the more unsavoury of mobs” you encounter whilst down there.

Good day to you SP. I certainly won’t ever cross swords with you again!

60 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 13:40

Open Letter to Mr Paul Drockton – he who doesn’t have the honesty, integrity, honour and humility to publicly and unreservedly apologise to me, Pabs and many others for his own “slanderous filth” …

Mr Paul Drockton
“Dead Mans Musings”
The Paul Drockton Online Radio Show
USA

Email: pdrockton@aol.com

Friday 4 June 2010

Paul

My honest and truthful reply … and in fairness to all concerned

You left me without a name on your online radio shows last Friday night (28 May), Monday night (31 May) and Tuesday night (1 June) when Robert was on – no unreserved apology on the latter programme from you or Robert … how honourable and gentlemanly you both are! You accused me of being things I am plainly not and that I said “Hollie is a liar” – I have / would not say that … EVER. You slandered my name and wished me harm and ill. “Slanderous filth” indeed sir!

This whole thing turned pear-shaped after the Mark Daly interview on the Tony “Legend” radio show on the night of Sunday 25 April 2010 – where Robert and Anne were found wanting and doubts starting to develop amongst those who believed every aspect of this “case”. You know how this developed over the course of that week, no thanks to your bullish and egotistical behaviour – when you and Greg started to name call, flame and let your big egos take over … and I was caught in the crossfire in the process. Greg at least has had the decency and integrity to apologise and express sincere regret over that and I accepted his apology and know he never intended for me to become “collateral damage”.

I have made my position perfectly clear about Greg in my previous emails to you several times. I agree he has perhaps overstepped the mark about certain things and I certainly do not agree with all he writes – I do not want you or anyone to commit suicide or come to any harm or ill … he should not have said that, but we all can say things in anger that we don’t really mean and later regret … I have done so many times throughout my life and I am obviously very regretful for doing so … but we all sadly do. I am not Greg’s master and cannot force him to stop what he says on his blog. He has been getting a lot of “slanderous filth” too and even death threats as well – perhaps you might want to retaliate and would get very angry too … I know I certainly would not take such “slanderous filth” without wanting to defend my good name … as I have been doing over the past few days with you Again, I am not defending Greg (he is perfectly capable of doing that himself) and I don’t agree with everything he writes, but I would say there are certainly reasonable mitigating circumstances for his actions over the past 5 weeks.

Greg is not working for the government (nor am I or Pabs – which is just very paranoid thinking if anyone thinks we are), he is not the devil, he is not evil and he is not mad or deranged – had you spoken to him at the end of April when suggested, you could have determined that for yourself. But he is obviously very hacked off that he has been rounded on by a largely ignorant, ill-informed and angry braying mob who do not really know him or the full circumstances of his involvement in Hollie’s case since early last year – and you did exactly the same when you wrongly accused him on my now defunct “Scots AgainstInjustice” Facebook Profile Wall on Tuesday 27 April 2010 and then left him without a name on your online radio show on Thursday 29 April 2010 – which I challenged you over on a point of principle (his right to reply to your charges) and you refused to respond and phone me as I requested.

There are a lot of people now who are greatly dissatisfied with the apparent lack of HARD evidence. There are a lot of people who feel used, abused, duped and discarded. There are a lot of people who doubt the veracity of the whole case. There are a few people who have been involved since last year (I was one of that few) who have now been hung out to dry without a public apology from Robert, Stuart or Anne – or with even a hint of any regret in a public statement.

And you wonder why there is now all this mud-slinging, anger, nastiness, hatred, bile and “slanderous filth”!?

Speaking of which … I still await your full, proper, public and unreserved apology from you for your “slanderous filth” towards me – and Pabs.

How about it Paul? …

Show some honesty, integrity, honour and humility as I have done and just say …

“I’m profusely sorry Tom and I unreservedly apologise … I slandered your good name without justified reason and I was very wrong to do so” …

And put it on your website for the public record as well.

I’m waiting Paul …

Tom

07791-226-490

cc. Stuart Usher, Robert Green et al

PS. Remember Paul … it was because of you that I am now in the position I am and getting accused of things that are simply untrue, unfair and unjustified.

This letter can be freely disseminated to others and reproduced anywhere on the internet – but the full and complete text only.

__________

ADDENDUM:

Anna Raccoon is as much a shill as I am. Those who still think myself, Pabs, Greg and Anna are “highly paid government agents” really ought to seek immediate psychiatric help for their paranoid disorders.

61 Anna Raccoon June 4, 2010 at 13:57

Anna Raccoon is as much a shill as I am. Those who still think myself, Pabs, Greg and Anna are

62 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 14:26

Hi,

after the eloquence of Paul Phillips so well presenting the case – just look at this shamefull and cowardly drivel from some no nothing low life with little command of the language and less knowledge of the facts.

Little wonder that this particular cowardly excrecence is too ashamed to put his name to the nonsense he circulates.

I am sickened by the sponge brained snivelling cowards like this buffoon – pre pubescent little girls trolling the internet making much of showing off – Robert green is not disimilar with the hatefull residual gaggle of wituperative witches egging him on in his obscene and irresponsible behaviour – Cat Shit or whatever you childish name is you are clearly out of your depth, just leaping up and down showing off.

Be grown up enough if you are going to dishonestly and vituperatively defame adults to put your name to your banal mutterings.

Now sunshine for all your sad weenie waggling pop your plastic mac back on and let us know:
Where is the evidence – have YOU Personally seen ANY EVIDENCE.

Remember those ‘Show and Tell’ lessons you were having not so long ago – well you sad muppet SHOW & TELL what evidence YOU have seen.

In best part of 2 years involvement with this sad fantasy I have seen not one shred! Now we have some irresponsible foul mouthed (yes I saw your childish posting an the batty Sandra Barr’s secret squirrel site & the shamefull comments of that geriatric creep Stuart Usher who surely is old enough to know better! & yet again Brian Gerrish’s childish dribblings in his fantasy comic for the lunatic fringe obsessed with how I earn a living which PROVES for these half wits that I am a Government agent, a measure of their sanity!)

ButlinCat – you are a risible fool with little intelligence and less common sense another motor mouth unfettered by thought or reason and blind to the FACTS – you are defaming people with not a shred of evidence and in the association of the criminal nutters.

I now believe that for Hollie & Anne’s safety it is time they were taken into care in a swecure unit until this madness calms down.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are BOTH at risk – and of course Hollie as a desparately impaired person with a mental age around 5 is most ably suited to continue in the loving care of her Mother but obviously with suitable medical and Social Services support to avoid exploitation and abuse in the future from evil people like Green, butlincat, Barr, Usher, Drockton, Gerrish and others willing to rush in without ascertaining a single solitary FACT.

There is NO EVIDENCE, there was NO CRIME until Robert Green & Stuart Usher started to commit one.

IF ANYONE has one shred of doubt of the FACTS in this fantasy surrounding Hollie Greig please feel free to contact me – you don’t have to believe me or trust me but do listen before there is a tragedy!

butlincat2012
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Hi – I just wish to inform you that the people mentioned in the press release below are nothing to do with our cause of trying to get justice for Hollie Greig,on facebook and numerous other sites.We are trying to get justice in this case of sexual abuse against her by a Scottish paedophile ring, the ring consisting of a top policeman {now deceased}, nurses, social workers, lawyers, and many more, the whole atrocity being covered up from media exposure by the Law Advocate of Scotland Elish Angilioni, probably by subtle threat and inuendo of dire consequences should the facts of the case be reported in the main media. Please be clear these crimes did exist, for at least over 15 years to Hollie, and are probably still going on today to some poor innocent child.Hollie was awarded

63 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 16:19

The one person who matters most out of all the rest is Hollie herself. If Hollie was abuse by her father at first, i am surprise he was not arrested as the primary suspect.

There are procedures that come into play, when an allegation of abuse is reported. The Police, social workers, who are trained in child protection, would have concern, not only for Hollie but also, equally for other vulnerable people, who may have been abused.

The seriousness of this abuse is because Hollie, is not only a vulnerable adult, but also more so because she lacks capacity. That means she is open to be coerced into doing things, by those who are out to exploit her

The person or persons who committed the abuse would be the only ones who hold the evidence. That is why an investigation, involving many professionals is triggered.

A Professional who works in child Protection has told me, that Hollies

64 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 4, 2010 at 17:36

Some good points John.

We should also remember there were some very abnormal aspects to the treatment received by Robert Green following his first arrest. As you will recall, his hearing took place in Stonehaven despite the Aberdeen Press & Journal (red herring or misapprehension?) saying it would be (as would have been expected) in Aberdeen Sheriff Court. Then there is the fact that the the hearing was held in camera! Quite extraordinary for a trifling Breach of the Peace, wouldn’t you say?!

I was present for those events. One of the people I spoke with that day was the duty solicitor in Aberdeen Sheriff Court. She assured me that asking concerned callers (wanting to know where Robert Green was!) to leave their names and contact details with the Procurator Fiscal’s (PF) call centre (in Glasgow) was completely unheard of! Incidentally, the PF call centre people refused to tell anyone where or even if, Robert’s case was being held that day. If Robert Green is to be believed, the police (or others?) told him on the Friday(!) that his hearing would be in Stonehaven. (Shame they didn’t inform the P&J…?) Why then could the PF’s office not tell us that on the Monday? Should information like that not be in the public domain? Obviously I was also very concerned about Robert’s no-show at court, however, not one official in the court could (or would?) tell me anything. (I found out via the Internet like everyone else.)

Incidentally, while loitering in the hallways of the court, I more than once heard chatty banter between advocates and others to the effect of, ‘It’s awfully quiet for a Monday’.

Finally, also worthy of note was the heavy police presence in and around the court in Stonehaven. (We counted around 7 or 8 officers.) I was informed by two reliable locals that again, apart -perhaps- from hearings involving powerful drug lords and the like, this was utterly unheard of.

I believe that whenever the authorities seemingly deviate from Standard Operating Procedure in manners such as these, freedom-loving citizens should endeavour to find out why. And you know, as they say, no smoke without fire!

Luv

Shone

PS GLW is forbidden from re-producing in any manner this, or any other of my writings. I don’t mind others doing so, just as long as I am not misrepresented.

65 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 4, 2010 at 17:57

PPS The PF call centre staff *only* asked for people’s names and details after they knew who we were calling about. To quote the lady I spoke with, “Ah right, we’ve been told to take your name and contact number…”

66 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 20:30

Hi,

I note with some amusement the astonishing lack of understanding of the law on the part of Shona – she cleeves to herself the near divine right to defame, dissemble and distort and seeks to deny the right of the truth.

IDIOT – why not type at the top:

Here are my lies and no one is allowed to tell the truth.

Shona you have no such legal right though it is clear you fear the possibility nay probability, well in reality certainty that you will be proved wrong on many of your ridicul;ous misrepresentations and fanciful leaps of logic.

I will return to your self indulgent twaddle and answer it in full on StolenKids when it suits me and to suppress the truth you may by all means lose a fortune in the law courts trying to uphold a right to lie without right of reply!

This sadly is anexample of the rigor that has been brought in this story and it is founded quite clearly on mob rule, the lynch mob and hysteria, from idiotic people like Shona who eggs on sad figures like the liar and fool Stuart Usher.

Your special pleading to lie without retort is just risible!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

67 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 5, 2010 at 00:25

Sir,

At no point in my “self indulgent twaddle” did I lie and I resent your slanderous assertions that I did!

Just to make things abundantly clear for you; the parenthesised comments ending in question marks represent CONJECTURE, which I fully accept may not be representable of the truth. (The clamp down on free speech has not gone that far, has it?)

Conjecture aside, I would be more than willing to repeat *any* of the above in a court of law.

Once again, I forbid you from re-producing my “self indulgent twaddle” on any of your sites.

Shona

68 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 5, 2010 at 01:18

PS To be more legally rigorous for you, replace CONJECTURE with OPINION. Those opinions being based on facts.

69 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 16:56

Hi,

I’m surprised John Banks hasn’t found out ANY of the relevant details and I guess his chum in Social Services must be very lowly to dispense such opinions with no facts!

You seem unaware that you found your views on two assumptions – first that your chum has a clue about Scottish procedures and secondly that an abuse took place.

Next since these points are unknown to you, you state with certainty that the handling procedure was at fault – Oh!

Need I continue as clearly you too have seen NO EVIDENCE.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

70 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 19:14

As I have said, the primary concern is for Hollie, since she was abused. If the abuser of Hollie was an ordinary

71 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 20:19

Hi,

John with respect I suggest you take the advice you have offered in your last paragraph.

You clearly know nothing of this story.

Be minded there is not one shred of usable evidence that words are put in the mouth of a woman with a mental age of 5 is all too possible.

It is claimed that Hollie Greig was serially and gang raped BY ADULTS, over a period from 6 to 20 yet concealed this from her Mother deliberately and dishonestly – she has manifest no medical evidence of rape, no forensic evidence of rape, no physical evidence of rape and no reaction to gang rape.

There is absolutely no evidence of rape and what Mother would be so uncaring as to have no cogniscence of distress nor signs of laundry. This was a child who, it is claimed, without evidence, had been both vaginally and anally raped WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE!!

We also have a fantasy of the murder of Anne’s brother – again with not a shred of evidence that his death was other than suicide and further more with apparent due cause.

PLEASE take your own advice.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

72 scriabinsdamagedhand June 23, 2010 at 00:31

Greg you used the word rape,in relation to a child,7 times in that rather brief post.
time for a cold shower me thinks.

just for the record,are you the same greg hyphen hyphen that accusses gordon brown of having a taste for rent boys?
the same greg hyphen hyphen who says he has proof that tony blair was tried and convicted for gay sex in a public place

your posts reveal a very strange mind at work,one which you have my sympathy for having to inhabit

dont bother getting yourself all worked up into some self-righteous indignant self important rant because I wont be returning to this awful blog,I feel dirty enough after a single visit.

73 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 20:41

I would have thought Hollie

74 Garibaldi June 4, 2010 at 21:51

Call me naive John but when I first read about this story, my initial reaction was like everyone else’s…it was like one of these crap novels you find in a charity shop bin. Horrifying story and you just couldn’t help but be sucked in by it. But the logic part of my tiny brain nagged me into ditching the emotion …. and I found things much clearer.

I have a very old friend who worked in a woman’s refuge for 16 yrs – the few stories she shared with me over that time would make your flesh creep and eyes water and even she said of this case – no, it would not stand up without concrete evidence. They do not have it she said. What about the girl’s father…thats where any hope of a conviction lies. And she knows, believe me. John, you do not stand a chance in hell of success. Face it, and if you must keep your campaign going then for god’s sake make some major changes quickly before Hollie’s life becomes even more difficult for her. And it will, believe me. None of us baddies are spys or crooks. We are all good people who want what is best for this woman and are fighting to get it, like you. But I do believe we have logic on our side; your team are too damn high on emotion and have seriously cocked things up. Bring them to heel!

75 Greg_L-W. June 5, 2010 at 00:56

Hi,

John do you have evidence to back this contention?

Perhaps the facts gathered relentlessly over well over a year would have helped you.

When did he leave? Why? etc.?

You may tend to be a little more accurate if you had established the facts!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

76 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 23:04

Any allegation of sexual abuse, in the first instance, the named perpetrator would be arrested, and charged. Hollie

77 Greg_L-W. June 5, 2010 at 00:59

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Woops!

Hi,

a very valid THEORY

78 Roger Stevens June 25, 2010 at 21:24

I have been following this alleged abuse story for some time. Originally, I did ask for various pieces of evidence, and none were in fact forthcoming – I believe most of the ‘evidence’ is in fact hearsay or circumstancial, which does not constitute proof at all.

I more or less dismissed the whole thing as yet another conspiracy theory, of the type that abounds all over the internet, from ‘inside jobs’ on 9/11 and 7/7 to lizards in charge of the government.

However, one ot two recent events have intrigued me, over and above the alleged abuse.
Firstly, the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s Shropshire home and the changed locks on the doors – why did this occur ?

Secondly, why isn’t Green being sued for libel ? People have been in the courts for much less than is inferred by his allegations.

Thirdly, there is this Lance Watkins character. I don’t know anything about him – I have no axe to grind. But he is certainly weird – the way he constructs sentences is very very odd – he reminds me of a public schoolboy from the debating society who suffers from arrested development.

However, personality apart, this Lance Watkins has placed some photographs on his blog, which according to Green , can only have been obtained during the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s house. Try as I might, I cannot find where Lance Watkins has stated where he sourced these photographs , or a denial that he got them from the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s house.

Whether Hollie Greig was abused, whether Anne Greig is mentally ill, or Green is a looney, I do not know. But I am very intrigued, and somewhat concerned , about the way that the ‘authorities’ are dealing with this matter.

In particular, since Lance Watkins is ‘holier than thou’ , I would like clarification WHERE he got the photographs of Roy Greig from – just to restore my faith in no-conspiracy-at-all.

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I apologise for the length of this piece. There are a lot of facts to be laid out.

I would also ask before you tell me that I have left this or that fact out that you refer to my original blog post on the subject – I have tried not to repeat myself here.

Comments will be open, especially if you have factual evidence to bring forward. If you come here just to hiss and spit, and treat me to some of the vile and venal abuse that has been bandied around in this case – unless it is especially witty or has some intrinsic merit, it will be deleted.

I have written before on the subject of Robert Green and his ‘campaign’ on behalf of a young female sufferer of Down’s syndrome who, he maintains, was the subject of a vicious and sustained series of rapes by both men and women.

What interests me about this particular case is the fundamental mismatch between, on one hand, the passionate campaign that has raged on Face-book and, on the other, the embarrassingly sparse ‘evidence’ on which it was based.

It has taken me some time to peel away the layers of ‘internet truth’ and to arrive at the essential facts, such as they are, that do exist.

Anne, the girl’s Mother, originally contacted two men to publicise her story. ALL the information that is on the Internet, ALL the firmly held beliefs, ALL the ‘alleged’ evidence, was given to those two men, and emerged into the world via the various means THEY took to publicise the case.

Neither of them was Robert Green. He came into the story later.

Let us take Stuart Usher first. Stuart, a part time Hot Dog salesman runs an organisation called Scotland against Crooked Lawyers and has done for some 10 years or so. It has a website http://www.sacl.org/

Stuart has ‘named and shamed’ some 140 lawyers and judges based in Scotland on his web site regarding a variety of alleged offences, including paedophilia, who, in his opinion, are ‘crooked’. He cites, with great pride, that none of them have ever thought to sue him. Whether this is because his accusations are accurate and they are hanging their head in shame, or because they felt that giving more publicity to wild accusations whilst suing a Hot Dog salesman was possibly counter productive is a matter of opinion.

Still, Stuart Usher was a first hand confident of Anne, the girl’s Mother, and presumably had access to concrete evidence of her claims. Unfortunately, Stuart has decided to withdraw from the case ‘to spend more time with his family’ – as you will find, we end up with a list of people who were ‘in at the beginning’ who have mysteriously melted away.

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Stuart Usher to Paul Drockton

Paul
I have had increased pressure from my family recently with regard to my efforts to help other people. In a nutshell they feel the time has come for me to divert my efforts to support them instead. I have agreed to this as they have suffered badly over the years and I now feel the time has come for me to concentrate my efforts on them.

Mr Usher did not disappear before recording a radio interview which is available on the Internet.

You require patience and dedication to listen to it all the way through. The amateur ‘disc jockey’ suffers interminable technical problems for the first half hour, and after three quarters of an hour of attempting to make sense of Mr Usher’s words, the disc jockey returns to playing some excruciating hard rock…..I nearly lost the will to live, but I was determined to learn at first hand precisely what the claims were.

Mr Usher would tell you that Anne’s daughter was repeatedly raped at the ‘house of Sheriff B’s sister, Evelyn’. This is casualty number one in the search for truth. Sheriff B simply does not have a sister Evelyn. He may well have a dog called Evelyn, a cat even, but no sister.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Mr Usher would also tell you that Anne and her daughter were forced to ‘flee Scotland’ following the ‘murder’ of her brother Roy. Roy had apparently been ‘repeatedly battered over the head with an axe handle’ before being pushed into a car which was set alight in an arson attack.

Now one of the claims which circulates on the Internet is that this unfortunate death was ‘hushed up’ by the authorities, and described as ‘suicide’ when it was murder – the implication is usually that Roy was murdered as a direct result of Anne having laid information with the police a few days earlier. I have repeatedly been told that it was never investigated. Not true.

Whatever the Police investigation amounted to, there was an in depth investigation by an experienced journalist. One Mark Daly of the BBC. Mark Daly is the journalist who according to Robert Green was ‘bullied by his bosses’ into dropping a proposed documentary about the case. This version alternates with one which says that he was silenced by a ‘D’ notice. Mark spoke out on the Face Book group.

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.”
“After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.”

You can hear Mark Daly answering his critics here.

Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg. There the evidence that Roy had been ‘repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle’ so frequently cited, melts away to become a ‘contusion’ on his head. Contusion being the medical term for a common or garden bruise. The ‘broken ribs’ may well owe more to the strenuous efforts – efforts which earned him a medal from the Royal Humane Society – of a passing oil rig worker who pulled Roy Grieg from his car during a filthy storm and in the middle of the night and gave him CPR in an effort to save his life.

Mark Daly had also uncovered something which directly contradicted Anne’s claim that there could be no truth in the Coroner’s verdict that her brother committed suicide – for he had ‘no reason to commit suicide’. Daly discovered that Roy Greig had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing. He had recently travelled to Glasgow to obtain legal assistance in respect of these matters from his union.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Two witnesses down, but fear not. We have more. Next up is Greg Lance-Watkins. Lance-Watkins has spent some 30 years campaigning on behalf of abused children. He runs an ‘enabling’ web site, which helps those children to have their own web site and tell their story under the umbrella of his main web site.   Anne approached him and asked him to publicise her daughter’s story. She explained that she had no internet skills and it was agreed that he would operate the http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ and write it as though it was Hollie telling her own story. Those who claim that Hollie is a competent witness for any trial, and cite as evidence the fact that she ‘willingly’ tells her ‘own’ story on her ‘own’ web site, please take note. Mr Lance-Watkins freely admits that the words are his, using information coming from Hollie’s Mother. In his lay opinion, Hollie has a mental age of under 10.

Lance-Watkins has been in this ‘business’ for many years, and he has had some success at obtaining justice for abused children. He is, like Mark Daly, the journalist, fully aware of the necessity for concrete evidence and strongly advised Anne not to court publicity until such time as they had gathered whatever documentary evidence they could. He was assured it would be forthcoming and was available.

Eventually he managed to gain sight of the autopsy report which was cited as evidence that Anne’s brother had been wickedly battered about the head and murdered. He was slightly non plussed to discover that this only amounted to a ‘contusion’ and even more non plussed to learn of the evidence regarding a possible crime in Roy’s workplace, despite having repeatedly pressed Anne for possible reasons for Roy’s suicide.

Then he pressed Anne for the mysterious medical evidence that showed how Hollie had been brutally anally and vaginally raped for 10 years by this paedophile ring. She finally gave him this document.

It is difficult to read, it is a scanned version of a very bad folded photocopy. With diligence and Photoshop’s enlargement facilities, it is possible however.

Hollie was born at the end of 1979 and here we have a Doctor informing another Doctor that at some time prior to 1992 (the date of the letter) Hollie’s parents had jointly enquired as to the need for contraception for their daughter. It was alleged that Hollie had been making sexual overtures to other children within her special needs facility.

I do not propose to further discuss Hollie’s medical affairs; she is entitled to a darn sight more privacy than she has received so far. Suffice it to say, that those who rest their case that Hollie was ‘sexually abused’ in any form on the supposed ‘medical evidence’, would be well advised to read carefully this letter that Anne Greig claims is the evidence. You will not find one iota of evidence from the Doctor who had intimately examined her that this was so. What you will find is that at one point in her life, Hollie had suffered from a minor yet common ailment which can be transmitted sexually – though that is by no means the only way in which you can acquire it.

One could put this paucity of substantive evidence down to yet another example of the authorities ‘covering up’ the abuse of Hollie – except that this is the very document on which Anne Greig rests her case.

Lance-Watkins now reluctantly admits that he is in the embarrassing position of having been ‘duped’ . He has not precisely joined the ranks of those who have walked away from the story, he is too much of a professional for that, however, he has retired to the sidelines and thrown out an open invitation to the thousands of members of ‘Holly’s Army’ who are fighting for ‘Justice for Hollie’ to step forward with any concrete evidence before he puts his reputation at risk any more.

Predictably he has been roundly abused by all concerned for this. The myth and fallacy that abounds on the Internet is too deeply entrenched for anyone to take cautious heed of the man who spoke for Holly ceasing to speak for Holly – it is ‘obvious’ that he is part of the conspiracy protecting these mythical government figures, either that or he has been ‘bought off’ by strange figures from MI5. The truth that he is no more prepared to put his reputation on the line without evidence than was Mark Daly is too bitter a pill for them to swallow.

Which leaves us with the Facebook Group. The home base of Holly’s 27,000 strong army. Or does it?

For you see Paul Phillips and his girlfriend Plum, who set up that Facebook Group and urged supporters to publicise this horrendous story so successfully – well they too have retired from the fray ‘to spend more time with their family’ – as has Tom George from ScotsVInjustice, another man with lots of experience in these cases who sadly doesn’t have a family, but still feels he can do something more with his time.

The Facebook Group was closed down, but not before some horrendous mudslinging as the original publicists of the story withdrew one by one. I have never before seen such venal and vindictive commentators.

I have come across many people over the past year whilst being heavily involved in Hollie’s case – some who are sincere and genuine people and others who have obvious ulterior motives and should really question why they became involved and whose interests they were really trying to further. I would like to state publicly here that everything stated by Pabs and Plum above is all factual and I regard them both as sincere and genuine people whose motives in Hollie’s case, like mine, were purely altruistic and their detractors should be thoroughly ashamed to have denounced them in the very malicious way they have. They are both good human beings and simply did not deserve the vilification that has spewed forth their way over recent days and weeks.

I have other very serious, sad and tragic cases I am vigorously pursuing presently against the authorities in Edinburgh and, yes, Aberdeen too and I am committed to fulfilling my obligations to the people concerned. I hope my rapidly declining health does not negate me having to pass these cases on to others to help with and I can see some kind of satisfactory resolution for the individuals concerned.

Tom
Edinburgh
ScotsVInjustice@aol.com

So far we have lost the medical evidence of horrendous sexual abuse, lost the medical evidence that Anne’s brother was murdered, lost the experienced campaigners against paedophilia that we started off with, shed several experienced journalists along the way – what are we left with?

We have Robert Green, would be journalist and broadcaster, who wishes to publicise the names of the people he says that Hollie says abused her, some of who like Sheriff B’s sister, simply don’t exist. We have Paul Drockton, broadcasting from somewhere several thousand miles away having never met any of the people involved. We have a newspaper in Palestine still prepared to print these allegations against British government figures – oh and we have a new Facebook group containing all the people who would far rather believe that there is a conspiracy here, than to face the fact that all the people who started this campaign have now faded away into the shadows – awaiting something more concrete than the wild accusations thrown around by a woman who has been tormented by grief and difficulties in life.

Fortunately, we also have the figure of Paula Morris in Hollie’s home town of Shrewsbury, a sensible Social Worker, who is currently looking into the welfare of this deeply vulnerable young woman and whether she is capable of making an informed decision as to whether she should be paraded on radio and Internet as the poster girl for the hysterical Hollie’s Army.

There is considerable sexual abuse of young women (and men) with Down’s syndrome. It is an entrenched problem. It is invariably carried out by those who have easy access to these young people. Fathers, brothers, uncles, both real and phoney, bus drivers, care attendants. In some rare cases, and they are rare compared to the bulk of disgracefully mundane cases of sexual abuse, they will include figures from other walks of life. Yes, even Judges, and policemen.

What Hollie’s Army have succeeded in doing is gaining wide spread recognition of the apparent ‘fact’ – without any evidence – that paedophilia is part and parcel of a government conspiracy, rather than an event which is all around you every day, next door to you even. That it is a celebrity vice. That may please their desire for publicity. It does nothing for the thousands of Down’s Children who need to be protected.

Perhaps all 27,000 of Holly’s Army might care to get themselves CRB checked – those of them who are able to pass such a check, for sure there will be paedophiles amongst these groups – where else will they find constant discussions of the finer points of sexual abuse? And when they have passed their checks, they might care to volunteer to help protect these deeply vulnerable individuals. They will find it most rewarding.

Perhaps a tad boring compared to the glamour of demanding the right to libel most of the Scottish political establishment on the basis of zero evidence and wild accusations.

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The Stereotypical Hollie Greig Conspiracy Supporter

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/01/2015

The Stereotypical Hollie Greig Conspiracy Supporter.

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I was interested to read a comment on a partyicularly foolish YouTube article reporting Robert Green’s plea of guilty in court on the 21-Jan-2015, which was particularly misleading and ill informed at best and merely dishonest in potential.

The posting was most interesting as it so exemplified the majority of those who have been duped by the lies of Anne Greig & Robert Green in their abuse of Hollie Greig for their own ends – those who are still making fools of themselves despite the irrefutable fact that the hoax they had foist on the publoc about allegations of sexual abuse and that her uncle Robert (Ray) Greig’s suicide was some sort of murder – a conspiracy theory for which there is not one shred of evidence in the face of death certificate, autopsy, police reports and more that ALL show every reason why this was a suicide.

This comment placed on the YouTube web site at:
https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=PydXRHhtIC0

So typifies the style and behaviour of the cult following of the tinfoil hat brigade still following and promoting the lies that I felt it worthy of reproduction:

MALCOLM KONRAD OGILVY,
I notice you have copied the other conversation from here onto your facebook account. I have to say, looking at your facebook I can’t help but feel a bit sorry for you.
I read a bit about the false allegations you made concerning your own daughter and comments you made about your ex partner.
To give you the benefit of the doubt I looked at her facebook. I don’t know if she was ever a washout like you but if she was, she certainly doesn’t look it now.
Maybe that’s what eats you up. She looks clean, healthy and happy. They have a lovely little family unit going on with positive comments to her friends. In fact, it looks like your average facebook account.
Compare that to yours.
Your facebook is the ramblings of a deranged manchild obsessed with paedophilia. You have arguments and paranoia towards “friends” and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a paedophile.
You misread and misinterpret documents you have concerning your daughters case.
You even coached her to say phrases which would imply she had been abused, and put it on video. Sexualizing your daughter like that is tantamount to sexual abuse in itself.
Perhaps the saddest part of all is you have no recent pictures of yourself. Just pictures from a time when you actually were a decent looking lad.
Now you look like Gollum after a 3 week bender in Amsterdam…like you should be asking people for a spare pound for your “bus”.
Just like Gollum you have become dishevelled, dark, twisted, paranoid and obsessive. It shows that on some level even you don’t want to be what you are now, harking back to times gone by.
Your videos are of you bullying middle aged innocent women outside court. It’s cowardly and pathetic.
You have a video of your mum and don’t seem to realise that the rolling of eyes and sighing is actually because she has had to listen to your incessant drivel for years now.
Even on your website, which is supposed to be about justice for a girl with Downs Syndrome, you call someone a “MONG”.
I mean, what the actual fuck is wrong with you?
This life and world owes you nothing.
All your problems are from within you and only you can change them. If you don’t you risk losing everything you care about.
I don’t think you have what it takes but i’d love for you to come back here in the future and rub it in my face by proving me wrong.
I have a challenge for you Malcolm.
You copied the other conversation to facebook, I challenge you to copy this too.
I challenge you to ask your friends to be 100% honest with you and tell you if i’m wrong or right.
If the world really is against you, or that you are your own worst enemy.
I may have seemed harsh in what I said but that’s because nobody else seems to give you the kick up the arse you need.
I have probably been more honest with you in this single comment than your groupies have ever.
The beauty is Malcolm, you know in your own head whether I’m right or wrong.
Therefore, if you want to know which of your “friends” really are friends, then take the challenge and see who is honest.
Allow the honest ones to help you.
Good Luck.

I found it quite incredible just howmany of the inadequates supporting the lies of sexual abuse of Hollie and the suicide of Roy Greg this comment could have been about – in fact almost all of the bitter twisted conspiracy theworists even including those making money from the scam, either directly or indirectly like Robert Green, Peter Eyre, David Icke, Belinda McKenzie, Brian Gerrish and also those who have built their sad sick lives around their particular interests in paedophelia and the sexual abuse of children and those who may dare to seek the truth rather than perpetuate the conspiracies and fantasies like Matt Quinn, George McKendrick, Sandy Fox, and so many others – including those too ashamed of themselves to use their real names!

I await an accurate plausible soundly sourced report on Robert Green’s one honest day in court so far, in which he pleaded guilty on the 21-Jan-2015 – I will then publish the report and the details of the summary and sentencing on 04-Mar-20125.

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The Lies of Robert Green & The Hollie Greig Hoax

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/06/2014

The Lies of Robert Green & The Hollie Greig Hoax:

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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The Lies of Robert Green
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The Hollie Greig Hoax:

ROBERT GREEN’S LIES – HIS TRIAL – AMAZINGLY THEN SEEKS PROTECTION FROM THE “CORRUPT” SCOTTISH JUDICIARY….

 

Posted by: In: Jon Stevenson & Maggs Shaw 02 Jun 2014 

A SHORT MONTAGE FEATURING SOME OF ROBERT GREEN’S LIES.Here are some examples, of which there are many more, but we have put just these few together to show you how Robert Green will change his story, or to put it simply, blatantly lie in order to seek credibility for the fantasies he insists are true. The story is so full of holes now it is sinking faster than it is possible to keep up with.

 

 

psychiatric report - anne elizabeth mackie 05 Hollie into care

 

Robert Green went back to Aberdeen Sheriff Court on 30th May 2014 in order his defence could submit pleads of “Competency and Relevance.”

 

When we arrived,  Belinda McKenzie was setting up her wares outside the Aberdeen Court, pulling a battered old shopping trolley full of leaflets and a piece of 3×2 with a shoddy looking Hollie Demands Justice  poster stuck to it.

 

Sadly, when she became aware of our presence, she tail hiked it out of there,  almost getting run over in the process, and then proceeded to set up ‘stall’ on the street corner a little further down the road.

 

 

This was viewed as extremely odd behaviour.   For the last few years Belinda has used a megaphone, just to make sure everyone could hear her, it seemed as if it was almost welded to her mouth.  Of course that was used during the period everyone believed her, when everyone thought the ‘story’ was true, and she could command a more than willing audience.   Belinda running away!?  testimony to the fact…. Belinda is not happy at all to answer questions…she is far happier, and much more in her comfort zone…  to ‘tell’ people.      Or, was her sharp exit something to do with her not wanting the ‘new friend’ that accompanied her to the  Court being made aware of the 75 million pounds that just disappeared, went missing, from the coffers of Iran Aid, a Charity that Belinda was involved in.   Or,  perhaps,  is it possible her new friend is part of the ‘new venture’, one that Belinda is helping to set up  ….strangely enough…another charity.  The Knight Foundation.

 

 

With only 10 minutes to go before Court opened, we decided to make our way into the court building where we found Mr Green sitting all alone outside Court number 4 waiting for the doors to open.

 

“How do you see it going to day Robert” he was asked, to which his reply was “can’t speak” with a wave of his hand and then a dash to the Police to look for protection.

 

Robert complained that we were trying to talk to him – no doubt he used more flowery language than that when reporting to the Police, but, these are the same Police Robert has, for more than four years now, over and over again called “corrupt, paedophile protectors, Freemasons and pronouncing they simply could not be trusted – not to mention accusing them of covering up murder for which the entire Scottish Judiciary are involved.

 

During the hearing the Sheriff informed all that no one was to attempt to communicate with Robert, and should they do so they would be committing contempt of court and could come up on charges in front of his honour.

 

UPDATE SUNDAY 1ST JUNE  from the anonymous author on Free Robert Green

 

“Attempts by the Hollie Greig Hoax campaign to engage Robert in conversation, against the restrictions placed on him by the court, were again reported to the police by Robert. They were also brought to the attention of the court by Robert’s QC and the Sheriff warned that this behaviour must stop or those responsible could be held in contempt of court. So Robert should not be troubled further in this way. A small issue but another example of the court defending Robert’s rights.”

 

At last, Robert has finally realised.  He is not allowed to communicate with anyone about this matter.   Unfortunately,  it has taken 4 years for him to fully understand, but during this time, it has taken,  two terms in prison, two interdicts, many arrests, cost the tax payer thousand and thousands of pounds, distressed his family, and many innocent people he accused of being paedophiles, incited hate against these people, and, willfully, and purposefully repeatedly called the Scottish Judiciary corrupt.

 

In view of the last sentence in the above quote, we trust that Robert will be retracting his statements about the Scottish Judiciary.

 

Robert might find this difficult though because Sheriff Fleetwood declared that Sheriff G Buchanan was in fact his adversary a few years ago.  So seemingly they are friends. Will Mr Green be placing him on his ‘hit’ list too?   That is quite doubtful judging by the smiles and joviality towards Sheriff Fleetwood by Robert – he is probably grateful for his assistance.

 

For was it not Mr Green that claimed there was a massive cover up of a paedophile ring involving high ranking members of the Scottish Judiciary?  Hypocrisy? Irony? or just down right stupidity on Mr Green’s behalf! Robert knew in June 2010 that Sheriff Buchanan was NOT involved with the Hollie Greig case, and that he did not have a sister or sister in law named Evelyn, nor is his brother named Jack!

 

But Robert carried on regardless.

 

No doubt supporters will find it hard to believe the Scottish Judiciary are now protecting “Robert Green” …..

 

…another quote from the article

 

“No longer is Robert treated as an interloper and troublemaker, the court is far more measured, far more neutral. Just as in the case of the previous bail hearing, there is a visible public fairness being displayed.”

 

It always has been, it is just that conspiracy theorists DON’T want it to be.  Perhaps,  Mr Green might make a public apology to the Scottish Judiciary he has so viciously persecuted during the last few years. Strange situation, because, as pointed out previously, Mr Green  ran to the very people he claims are corrupt and are child abusers… I am not sure if there is a word in the Oxford/English dictionary which could describe this scenario, unless anyone would care to invent one?

 

Now of course, when Robert feels the need, the Scottish Police are his trustworthy protectors and upholders of the law.  Have no doubt, he will now see these tyrants in a new light.    Will  Brian Gerrish be able to refrain from including Sheriff Fleetwood on his comprehensive, unseen  list of other corrupt Scottish paedophile criminals you so often hear him talk about…?

 

Here’s an excerpt from “Hollie Demands Justice:”

 

“It would seem that the Scottish crown, has enabled the alleged abusers to find a method of resolution, at no cost, allowing them to hide behind the judiciary, aiding and abetting a Sheriff who, seemingly had access to the public purse in pursuit of the arrest of Robert Green on a breach of the peace charge so that he could be silenced.”

 

And here is a letter Robert penned recently,  while in prison,  again clearly showing him abusing and defaming the Scottish Judiciary:

 

PN 125799

HMP PERTH

3 EDINBURGH RD

PERTH

PH2 8AT

Hello Belinda

I am currently reading about the horrific Marc Dutroux case in Belgium and the comparisons between the Belgian authorities and their Scottish equivalents over Hollie’s case are alarmingly similar and almost as chilling.

It is hard to credit a political system with the slightest perception of civilisation when it consistently refuses to bring the perpetrators of such horrors to justice, particularly when some are known to the authorities, as demonstrated by the contents of the police intelligent report.

I do not know if or when I shall be freed, but thank you for everything. Please tell Hollie from me that any honour I receive or am nominated for will be first and foremost, dedicated to her!

Very best wishes

Robert

 

Marc Dutroux case – There was widespread anger and frustration among Belgians due to police errors, the general slowness of the investigation and Dutroux’s claims that he was part of a sex ring that included high-ranking members of the police force and government. This suspicion that Dutroux had been, or was being, protected, and anger over the outcome, culminated when the popular judge in charge of investigating the claims was dismissed on the grounds of having participated in a fund-raising dinner for the girls’ parents. The investigation itself was wrapped up. His dismissal and end of the investigation resulted in a massive protest march (the “White March”) of 300,000 people on the capital, Brussels, in October 1996, two months after Dutroux’s arrest, in which demands were made for reforms of Belgium’s police and justice system.

 

Of course, it’s been a long term aim of both Robert Green and Brian Gerrish of the UK Column to link genuine cases to Hollie Greig, and this is yet another attempt to do just that. But it once again shows Green’s contempt for the Scottish Judiciary, even though throughout his hearing he was smiling and laughing along with Sheriff Fleetwood in those moments of digress……Hypocrisy should be Mr Green’s middle name but we must remember he is yet another victim in all of this – and his deteriorating mental state is now clearly visible….

 

For around two hours the Court heard Green’s defence barrister argue that the Crown’s accusations were neither competent or relevant.  He sighted many different cases in an attempt to weigh his argument for which Sheriff Fleetwood was most courteous and gave him plenty of time to fully explain his somewhat semantic legal points of law as well as confirming that Robert broke his harassment order by sending letters, emails, blog writing and appearing on a TV internet show – just as we have always maintained.

 

It didn’t take long however for Prosecutor Mackintosh to further explain the Crown’s position which seemed to completely override the defence and push this case further down the road to a full trial – or if Robert knows what is good for him a plea of “Guilty” for which he should be released as he has served half of a sentence applicable for such an offence.

 

Indeed that is what we believe will happen in the coming weeks – around 6 weeks to be precise it will be decided whether the case against Green should be thrown out, found guilty, or a trial will begin but whatever the outcome Robert Green is unlikely to see anymore jail time but will cost the Scottish Tax Payer more of their hard earned cash.

 

Mr Green might fall into the trap, the trap being set for him, enticing him to carry on with this fruitless, futile campaign by being informed that some anonymous MP has put his name forward for nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize

 

“Perhaps the letter writing, and Nobel Prize nominating action by supporters and Roberts quiet determination that justice and truth are worth fighting for is having an effect. We must keep up the work of course, but the last two court appearances have given the Hollie Greig campaign something it lacked during the dark days around the Stonehaven trial – legitimate hope”

 

 

Gillian Swanson on May 21, 2014 at 12:20 pm said commenting on Free Robert Green.
 

“Oh mentioned the Nobel Prize Nomination – this was given a lot of attention on the UK Column News yesterday, some people had been saying it wasn’t genuine, because of the MP not being named, but Brian Gerrish said this was nonsense, he knew the MP in question, and he has the support of others. Would it be a good idea to send copies of the nomination letter along with letters and e-mails ?”

 

Unfortunately Brian Gerrish refrains from showing anyone anything!  He still refuses, or more likely, cannot produce any evidence or testimony”  outlining his ‘success stories’ concerning anti child abuse campaigning.  It might be prudent to take anything Mr Gerrish says with a massive pinch of salt.  Yes,  why is it that Belinda is reluctant to publish the emails/letters concerning Mr Green and the Nobel Peace Prize?  Could it be they do not have any?   Has anyone seen confirmation from the anonymous MP?

 

Mr Green will be attending Court in July.  We will also be there to hear the decision live and will report on it asap. Whatever the conclusion in this case you can bet on one thing – we will continue to watch Robert with a keen eye and should he once again break his court order we will have no hesitancy in letting the authorities know about it while still trying to bring to justice the other perpetrators – Yes -you know who you are!

 

Mr Green, not permitted to talk about the Hollie Greig Case, magic to many people’s ears…..long may it reign.

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  1. Posted by Greg Lance – Watkins, [aka Greg_L-W.] 04 Jun 2014 at 12:16 am Reply

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    Hi,

    although, having shown and proved that the Hollie Greig stories of sexual abuse and the claims regarding her uncle Roy’s suicide were clearly and undeniably a hoax, or to put it more accurately an unsustainable tissue of lies and fantasies some years ago I am astonished that the rascal Robert Green is still permitted to waste the time and money of tax payers with his fabrications and lies.

    Possibly even more surprising is the fact that there are still low lifes and scoundrels who still claim to believe his lies and support his odious behaviour.

    One can understand crooks like Brian Gerrish, David Icke and Belinda McKenzie continuing to try to promote the scam as it seems they seek, in one way or another, to profit from the perpetuation of the lies but the claque of fools determined not to address the facts and unable to accept that there is absolutely no evidence to back the claims that can be considered admissible in any rational court of law is now beyond doubt and every crumb put forward has been shown to be wrong, a lie or inadequate.

    As is a matter of record: I denounced the scam some years ago and exposed many of the lies and liars in the cult surrounding Anne Mackie/Greig and her fantasies surrounding her daughter and family.

    I also made very public my apologies to anyone I may have embarrassed in the early years of Anne Mackie’s promotion of the scam, which I freely accept I was wrong to do having been lied to by Anne, Robert Green and Stuart Usher

    I am happy to yet again apologise if I caused any embarrassment in my willingness to try and assist and support someone who ‘claimed’ to be a victim and have sought to make amends for my early gullibility by exposing the hoax and showing it to be unfounded and unsustainable.

    I am happy to endorse the actions of those involved in the web site >TheHollieGreigCoverUp.net< and the facts they provide which I believe, in the light of the evidence, to be fair, responsible and a presentation of facts.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
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    for more details see:
    http://HollieGreigetc.wordpress.com

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Robert Green’s Mental Health Called Into Question In Court

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 18/05/2014

Robert Green’s Mental Health Called Into Question In Court

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Robert Green entered Aberdeen Court today looking a very ill man indeed. It is obvious he is suffering mental illness which has taken it’s toll on him physically.

He will be freed on Bail on the condition that his physical illness can be medically verified – an illness that came as a surprise to the Crown Prosecution team in court today.

His bail conditions are as follows:

1. He cannot communicate with anyone named on the court order by any means.

2. The Police will remove electronic equipment from his home

3. He is not allowed to communicate with anyone named on the court order on anyone els’s PC

4. Regular contact with the Police to be made

5. If he travels anywhere he has to notify the Police first

Robert is due back in court on 30th May 2014 where he may be released on bail permanently or serve another 3-6 months.

Several individuals were ejected from the court for abusive behaviour.

Outside the court  Belinda McKenzie was again campaigning and handing out leaflets accompanied by 4 young girls who said they were new to the campaign and had only been there for a “couple of hours” – they were not informed of the full facts yet were also campaigning and handing out leaflets.

 

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Belinda was also supported by another gentleman who after hearing about Belinda’s involvement in Iran Aid and the disappearance of £75 million that was supposed to got to poor orphan children from Iran, left very soon afterwards.

Belinda has consistently said the there is no money in the Hollie Greig PayPal account despite Anne Greig announcing back in January that they were ready to move forward in legal proceedings:

 

HDJ

 

SO, WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE????

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Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/05/2014

Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I take the liberty from time to time of adding material from third party sites of merit, as due to the dishonesty and their own gain and many of the low lifes and criminals associated with the promotion of the indisputable hoax surrounding the fantasy claims of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and various false claims surrounding the scam.

 

Let us not forget that despite numerous Police investigations, medical reports and various other investigations to date not one shred of credible admissible evidence has EVER been presented to support the stories yet some are still trying to support the scam despite its undeniable exposure as a hoax by myself and many others several years ago!

 

Therefore I reproduce various valid articles which may be interferred with, hacked or removed by those dishonestly supporting the Hollie Greig scam – as was my own detailed, documented and cross referenced site that exposed the hoax originally, which the deviants, liars and low lifes were unable to refute, disprove or counter so they resorted to lies, defamation and hacking to try to suppress the reasoned and detailed facts proving the ‘stories’ surrounding Hollie Greig and the suicide of her uncle Roy Greig etc.

The Hoax

Although opinion is bound to be divided, and while some campaigners & individuals still add things up wrong, the evidence is irrefutable. The Mackie family were like any other middle class happy family. Like most, they’ve had their troubles but they were a loving family with many friends.
This is the story of how Anne Greig suffered a breakdown after the death of her mother and brother. The paranoid delusions Anne suffered had shocking consequences not only for her family and friends, but many of her in-laws including her husbands business associates.However, It didn’t stop there.

Over time, Anne accused many different individuals she felt had crossed her in some way, including the Sheriff who presided over her “incomplete” divorce, of sexually abusing her daughter, Hollie. This abuse allegedly spanned a 14yr period and started when Hollie was aged 6.

But in her confused and paranoid state of mind she chose a different Sheriff but one with a similar name to label with her vile accusations.

Detective Constable Durward interviewed Hollie on 19th May 2000 accompanied by Nicola Foot, appropriate adult. On the 24th May 2000, Hollie was interviewed again by DC Durward with Nicola foot present.

Hollie was eventually interviewed for a third time by DC Evans & Sarah Bennett as Appropriate Adult on 8th September 2009 in the Belvoire Suite, Shrewsbury.

Neither were convinced by Hollies’ testimony as we see later in the PCCS report.

All of this started after the death of Anne’s brother in 1997.

Robert Greig (known as Roy), committed suicide on 17th November 1997.

He was found in a burning car and died of smoke inhalation.
Smoke Inhalation

At that time Anne never questioned his death as anything other than suicide – confirmed to us by her best friend Wyn Dragon-Smith.

When Anne’s mother passed, she left the majority of her estate to her son Roy. When Roy passed, his estate amounted to very little.Anne suspected her solicitor Ian MacDonald of defrauding her from an inheritance she not only expected from her mother’s passing, but now from her brother.

Therefore, Mr McDonald’s name was added to the list of other alleged abusers.
Robert Green’s list of abusers

She complained to the Law society of Scotland and began to obsess on the internet, researching until the early hours of the morning which continued for almost 3 years.

Anne reported what she thought to be fraud to Grampian Police, but because Anne believed they had not acted appropriately regarding her complaints and allegations, she made a further complaint and requested an independent review.

Briefly jump forward now to July 2008, Jim Martin, the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland produced an independent report into all of Anne’s complaints – referred to here as The PCCS report.
PCCS REPORT

Despite her efforts nothing came of her complaints to either the Law Society or Grampian Police – because there was no evidence of any criminality confirmed in the PCCS report:

Back to the beginning now and in the year 2000 things began to get worse. Her husband Denis and best friend Wyn accompanied Anne to her GP as she was showing signs of paranoia. After the visit, Anne exclaimed “he was yet another one of those against me.” She later changed to a different GP.Further testimony from Wyn, Denis and her son Greg, informs us she became more and more paranoid, insisting her business acquaintances, family and friends were all against her. She suspected her husband of having an affair, which was untrue – and when Greg and Denis tried in vain to talk some sense into her one evening, a family argument ensued and she bit her son Greg severely on the arm and ran out of the house at midnight in nothing but her nightdress.
Anne’s Mental Health

Then came very serious abuse allegations – allegations that would grow and grow, and which Anne would be unable to turn back on.In May 2000 she accused her husband of abusing their daughter Hollie, and over the following months the list of abusers grew and grew as Anne alleged Hollie revealed more and more names.

On 19th May 2000 Hollie was interviewed by Grampian Police and again on 24th May. Hollie mentioned a number of names, some of which simply did not exist. Hollies’ father Denis was interviewed, and her brother Greg a while later – but there was no corroborative evidence. Some of the other names could not be interviewed – how can the Police interview none existent people?

It was clear Hollie was loyal to her mother.

Forensic medical evidence taken from Hollie showed no signs of abuse – only that Hollie was not a virgin.
No Evidence of Abuse

Hollie was a 20yr old woman with boyfriend.

Anne ostracised all her family and friends and Hollies’ family broke up with her father moving to live in the family home in Portugal as Anne sold their house in Aberdeen. Hollies brother, Greg, stayed in Aberdeen for a while renting a flat from his Aunt Sylvia – (Denis’s cousin) – but around a year later when he was finding it hard to find work, he too went to live with his father in Portugal. He now has his own home and young family but it’s safe to say he still suffers from this traumatic experience.There is no doubt Anne suffered some kind of mental breakdown and as we have seen there is plenty of medical evidence that proves that – including Anne’s own independent Psychiatrists report. Anne was sectioned into a mental health institution for a short while and Hollie was put into the care system, but eventually Anne and Hollie were reunited.

Over the following years Anne moved from Aberdeen to Shrewsbury in Shropshire.

Her campaign continued there, as did her complaints to Grampian Police which is why the (PCCS) report was made.

ANNE WAS CONSTANTLY MISTAKING PEOPLE IN HER ALLEGATIONS AS THIS SECTION OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS (PCCS) REPORT SHOWS… person ‘U’ is Helen McDonald, Hollie’s social worker.

“As a footnote to his enquiries Superintendent J noted that he was aware that the complainer had provided an association chart to the force detailing her perceived connections between the individuals X named as her abusers. He stated that in this chart reference was made to Detective Sergeant F having contact with Person U in the context of a local pantomime and living in the same area as her. Superintendent J noted that a short statement was taken from Person U who advised that she had never met Detective Sergeant F prior to, or subsequent to, him noting a statement from her in the course of his enquiries. She also stated that whilst she had never performed in pantomime with him, she was in pantomime with an ex-police officer. Superintendent J stated that this officer has not featured in any of the complainer’s concerns. He also noted that Detective Sergeant F did not live in the same area as Person U.”


In 2009, Anne was introduced to Robert Green by her friend, Stuart Usher.

Robert Green is an ex travel agent who was a partner in Mosley Travel in Warrington. Robert was to become Anne’s spokesperson and he labelled himself as her Lay legal advisor, investigator and journalist.
The real Robert Green

Robert produced many YouTube video’s where he explained the campaign including his allegations about Roy’s death.Just like Hollies’ false abuse, Roy’s suicide turned into a full blown conspiracy also – he cleverly put together a string of events around his death that on the surface suggested some wrong doing.

One of these events was to suggest that Sylvester Cadger, the man who tried to save Roy by pulling him from the burning car and giving him CPR until the ambulance arrived, was in fact the murderer.

However, the PCCS PCCS REPORTreport also show’s that Anne was somewhat unconcerned regarding the surroundings of the death of her brother – which confirms the testimony of Wyn Dragon-Smith.

An internet campaign was born that became known as “Hollie Demands Justice.” hollie Demands Justice
A lady called Belinda Mckenzie also joined the campaign. Belinda is a self-proclaimed truth campaigner, 911 conspiracy theorist, and alien believer.
The Real Belinda McKenzie
The campaigns Facebook group had over 27,000 members and the story went viral on the internet and continued to grow.
Anne, Hollie and Robert travelled the country attending different speaking engagements and the names of abusers grew evermore into a full blown paedophile ring “going to the very top of the Scottish Judiciary.”The link to the Scottish Judiciary came about because Anne mistook Graeme Buchanan for another solicitor with a similar name who was involved in her attempted divorce from Denis. To date. Anne & Denis are still married.

Robert and Anne claimed the abuse of Hollie occurred in the house of the Sheriff’s sister – only the Sheriff has no sister!

They later claimed the abuse took place in the home of the Sheriff’s sister-in-law – but again the Sheriff has no sister-in-law.Eventually Anne was summoned to the Royal Courts of Justice in London by Shropshire Council and told to stop parading her daughter around the country and a court order was put in force.

A whole network of “Alternative Media” & so called “Truth Campaigners” jumped on the band wagon – and the number of donate buttons on websites rocketed!

Wyn Dragon-Smith and her husband David, Sylvia Major and her husband Terry, and Hollie’s carer were all accused of being paedophiles among many more of Anne’s friends, relatives and business acquaintances as we have seen in the list. Robert also included the children of Hollies carer as victims and persistently claimed these things were never investigated.This document, including the PCCS report shows that to be untrue.
No Investigation?

Wyn and Sylvia’s children were named as child victims that were abused along with Hollie – Robert stated that Hollie and the other children were taken in a minibus to the home of the Sheriff’s sister to be abused. in reality these children never even met Hollie until she was in her late teens and all of them have made public statements saying they were never abused.
Public Statements

Robert sent letters to the neighbours of 22 innocently accused individuals including Wyn and Sylvia telling them they were living next door to paedophiles causing them fear, alarm and distress – a crime he later served a prison sentence for.
Prison Sentence

Anne and Robert claimed the BBC allegedly commissioned a programme with the prominent investigative journalist, Mark Daly.

Mark stated a programme was never commissioned, and when he investigated their claims, Anne and Robert were informed no programme would be made.Robert and Anne accused Mark of a cover up – Mark’s reply:

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

Mark Daly.

An organisation called “The UK Column” became involved and individuals named Brian Gerrish and Lou Collins joined the campaign along with the well-known conspiracy theorist David Icke.
The UK Column Lou Collins David Icke

They began promoting the cause all over the internet and spoke of it at different speaking engagements.

It is reported that Hollie suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder which is no surprise when you consider Hollie lost the family she had known for 20 years and the many friends she had in Aberdeen. Her life was torn apart by the illness suffered by her mother.In the end it sparked a national newspaper article written by David Leask of the Scottish Herald.

Sadly, this campaign still continues today for a few misguided supporters that simply cannot believe the truth.These are the facts for which there is plenty of evidence – Now, here is the story reported by Robert Green on their website Hollie Demands Justice with our own “truthful” additions.

“In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father. Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.”

Anne has admitted in many reports including on Sky TV that she did not “immediately” report anything to the Police, but told Hollie to tell her social worker.
Sky TV Interview

Terry Major was the chief fingerprint expert – a civilian employee. Graeme Buchanan was mixed up with another solicitor with a similar name as we have said above. All these discrepancies from the confused and paranoid mind of a mentally ill woman.


“Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place.”

The Forensic medical evidence showed Hollie was not a virgin – she was a 20yr old woman with a boyfriend and there was nothing to suggest any sort of abuse that has allegedly been going on unnoticed by Anne for 14 years!

Regardless of Hollie’s boyfriends, the PCCS report also casts doubt on the “abuse” allegation, and shows what lengths Anne will go to:


More importantly, the PCCS report points out that the forensic medical evidence stated:
So there was no medical evidence of recent sexual activity. Therefore is it possible Hollie was “shared with a satanic paedophile ring” as stated by Robert Green and show no evidence of abuse?
Hollies testimony was questioned by DC Davidson who said in one correspondence that she thought Anne was putting words into Hollies mouth
Anne putting words into Hollies’ mouthAgain – PCCS report also doubted the veracity Hollies testimony:

The Police transcript of Hollie’s claims, clearly showed Hollie simply repeating the same things over and over again. There was a distinct lack of any detail regarding her surroundings like the colour of the bed clothes or wallpaper in the room.The “other evidence” Robert refers to is a report by Dr Jack Boyle. His report can be read here:
The Boyle Report

It clearly shows he does not confirm the veracity of Hollie’s claims. Moreover, the majority of the report is based on what Anne has explained to him.

Dame Elish Angiolini is completely innocent of Robert’s allegations as this document proves:
Crown Office

“In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur.”

There were several medical experts that concluded Anne was suffering from paranoid delusions which included both her GP’s and psychiatric doctors at The Royal Cornhill Mental Institution. There were also many other professionals that were concerned about Anne’s mental health and many documents show this as we have seen. Hollie was never handed back to her father as Denis was working away on oil rigs at the time. Anne did obtain an independent psychiatrist report and although Robert and Anne say this report claims Anne was perfectly sane it states clearly that she could have suffered irrational and psychotic behaviour – again as we have seen.


“In the years that have followed, Anne Greig has persisted in her attempts to bring the abusers to justice, not only for the sake of her own children, but also to prevent these dreadful practices continuing against others, which includes adults with learning difficulties as well as children. It was only in 2009, when the News Of The World courageously broke the story, concentrating on the hitherto unheard of fact that Hollie had received payments from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority for crimes that have not even been investigated.”

The criminal injuries compensation scheme which is set by Parliament, compensates people based on the injuries they sustain not the crime of which they were a victim. When they make a payment they state that the payment is not a sign of guilt on behalf of the accused and should not be taken this way. Also, as D.I. Alley of Grampian Police said in one correspondence :
D.I. Alley

“The Police will always take what a witness says at face value unless there is some evidence which casts doubt on this. However, even in cases where doubt exists, it is not the business of the police to do other than ensure that all the evidence in relation to that doubt is placed before the Court. It is in Court that credibility is ultimately judged.”

It can be a little difficult to understand how CICA work – but once you understand their operating procedures and the Police’s operating procedures, it’s easy to see why Hollie was made a payment.


“The measures to cover up this terrible terrible story continue unbounded by the authorities.”

This case has been investigated twice and a independent investigation was also carried out (PCCS) because of Anne’s complaints. At first both Denis and Greig were interviewed under caution, & the second time it was investigated was shortly before Robert Green’s trial for breach of the peace after he casused fear, alarm and endangered both Wyn, Sylvia and their neighbours in 2010. Wyn, Sylvia and their children were all interviewed. Consequently, a great deal of public money has been spent on this false and defamatory case.


“Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts. Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation.”

Apart from the family home in Portugal being over 100 miles away from where Madeleine McCann disappeared, there is no evidence to substantiate this or any of Roberts other claims.


“Investigators have already informed us that discoveries of other paedophile rings in Scotland has been discovered, but it is clear that certain senior figures of authority are prepared to obstruct the course of justice and allow the known sexual abuse of some of society`s most vulnerable people to continue unabated, just to save their own skins.”

Robert has never produced any evidence to substantiate any of these allegations.


“The Hollie Greig story is now widely known by the media, police, legal, medical and political professions.

The facts are beyond dispute.

The only question that remains will be as to who has sufficient decency and courage to bring this and other issues to a just conclusion.

Robert Green
Investigator”

The Facts are that Robert Green is a fantasist – he has made claims that a group of individuals, some of whom don’t exist are members of a paedophile ring abusing children who have made public statements saying they were never abused, in a house that could not exist because the person that allegedly owned it does not exist.

Yet even after serving a jail sentence, Robert Green continues to blog and unjustly accuses innocent people to this very day! He is doing nothing more than persecuting innocent people, exploiting a disabled woman and perpetuating the illness of Anne Greig.

The supporting network of organisations like The UK Column and David Icke are simply in it because it makes “good copy” and pulls in an audience. An audience that seems not to realise they are being exploited emotionally, financially or both!

But that is nothing compared to the damage suffered by the innocent individuals being falsely named as paedophiles – and of course the exploitation of a disabled woman and the perpetuation of Anne’s illness….


PCCS CONCLUSIONS 


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It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

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Post  MJC on Thu 8 Aug 2013 – 19:56

This report was published about a year ago, but hasn’t perhaps had the exposure it should have had in England.

It’s the best write-up of a hoax that’s deceived tens of thousands into believing that Hollie was repeatedly raped over the course of 14 years at the home of a Sheriff’s sister by up to 31 different people, including leading Scottish judges…

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One devastating fantasy: the impact of an internet scandal

by David Leask, Reporter — Sunday 17 June 2012

Seven children labelled victims, 22 tarnished lives, a business forced to close, a nation’s reputation tarnished.

1: THE CAMPAIGN

IT is the biggest Scottish story on the internet.

A girl with Down’s Syndrome portrayed as the sex slave of a ring of paedophiles for a decade and a half and the victim of a cover-up reaching to the highest law officers and politicians in the land.

This, at least, is the online story of Hollie Greig, a vulnerable young woman who has become the poster girl for conspiracy theorists around the world.

The real story is quite different … but every bit as devastating, according to those smeared by what the Crown Office last night called “unfounded allegations”.

Twenty-two people in and around Aberdeen have been accused of being paedophiles by campaigners styling themselves as “Hollie’s Army”.

Those named include a prominent sheriff who supposedly abused children at the home of his sister, despite the fact he does not have a sister.

And in a clear breach of laws designed to protect victims of sex crimes, another seven people have been named as rape victims along with Hollie.

Four of the “victims” would have been in their 20s at the time of the abuse. Two police investigations have resulted in no charges.

Only one person has been convicted in connection with Hollie Greig: a 66-year-old campaigner from Warrington called Robert Green.

He was jailed earlier this year for harassing those he falsely accused of paedophilia.

Green’s conviction did not make headlines in Scotland. But it did spark international attention on websites such as that of David Icke, the former BBC sports presenter who thinks the world is ruled by lizards.

Green says he received 2000 letters of support from 35 countries while in jail.

His story – now wrapped together with that of Hollie and her mother Anne Greig – also inspired American talk radio shockjocks who rail against the world’s ruling “Illuminati”.

Green has appeared on radio in England, Sweden, Italy and South Africa. Some of these radio shows have joined online bloggers in rubbishing Scotland’s justice system, with Hollie’s case being linked to the Dunblane massacre, the Shirley McKie fingerprint row and even the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Mainstream Scottish journalists have been accused of suppressing the story.

The campaign’s battle cry is “Google Hollie Greig”. If you do, you get more than 400,000 results.

One is the official webpage of the campaign. It compares Hollie’s story to the Dreyfus case – arguably Europe’s highest-profile miscarriage of justice – in which a Jewish officer in the French army was wrongly convicted of spying in the late 1800s.

Another site headlines on Hollie “as an abuse victim of the Scottish Establishment”.

2: THE TARGETS

The jailing of Robert Green – the man who gave the loudest voice to the accusations – did nothing to diminish the online conspiracy theory.

Why not? That is what one widow who was accused of abuse wants to know. Speaking last night, the woman, who does not wish to be named, said: “We are the victims in this.

“We are the ones who have been falsely accused. A man has been jailed. Yet this thing just won’t go away. What is wrong with these people?”

Her friend Sylvia Major knows how devastating it is to live in the shadow of lies and false accusations.

Few of her neighbours in Ferryhill take the claims seriously. The quiet Aberdeen neighbourhood is home to many of the innocent people accused of being part of the abuse network.

Major, a hairdresser, had to close her shop and take early retirement because of the “whispers”. She said: “It has been hellish. It was also claimed that my late husband was a paedophile too, and my kids were really upset.”

Major’s story is typical of the many people falsely accused of being part of the Hollie Greig conspiracy. The thing she finds most galling is that despite being distantly related to Hollie, she only knew the girl for a short time.

“I saw Hollie when she was born but I didn’t see her again till I met her mother in the street when she must have been nearly 18.”

Over the period of a few years in the late nineties, Major would meet Hollie and her mother – now known as Anne Greig – for a gin and tonic at the Ferryhill House Hotel. Then the pair disappeared from her life.

Major is depicted by scores of websites and blogs as a core figure in Hollie’s abuse, said to date from 1985 to 2000, along with her late husband Terry.

In real life, he was a civilian fingerprints officer at Grampian Police. In the internet conspiracy, Major’s partner was a “senior police officer” and her children, like Hollie, were shared by a paedophile ring including the sheriff, a headteacher and social workers.

One of the children abused, according to Green and his conspiracy, was Major’s daughter Cath, named by an online site that ignored the normal legally binding anonymity granted to the victims – proven or otherwise – of sex crimes. Cath was already an adult, and a successful footballer, by the time her mother made friends with Hollie and Anne Greig.

“I wasn’t a victim of child sex abuse,” the 37-year-old said yesterday. “I was playing half-back for Scotland and travelling the world.”

Wyn Dragon Smith, a friend of Greig and Major, was named as a child sex abuser on the internet. “It was ludicrous,” the 69-year-old said yesterday. “It was only later I realised what this was going to mean for me.” Dragon Smith’s health has suffered. So have her finances: she lost a lodger. Her sons – now in their 30s – were also named as those abused.

In the eyes of the campaigners, they are supposed to be victims. But that hasn’t stopped their car and motorbike registrations being put on the internet.

3: THE ‘COVER-UP’

The campaign believes the “establishment cover-up” stretches up to the Lord Advocate’s office. One target was Elish Angiolini, who stepped down as Lord Advocate last year but worked as area procurator-fiscal in Aberdeen in the summer of 2000.

Angiolini has sought a non-harassment order against Green, banning him from approaching her or stalking her online.

That would give her the same protection as the accused sheriff and 15 other supposed “paedophiles” or “paedophile victims” who have been granted court orders against him.

Many, including Dragon Smith, only learned they were named by Greig and Green in 2009 or 2010.

One only found out she had been accused after Green put letters through doors around Ferryhill.

It was those letters – and related internet campaigns – that saw him detained by Grampian Police for committing a breach of the peace.

He was brought in while campaigning as a candidate in the 2010 General Election, despite being effectively banned by interdict from entering Aberdeenshire due to his pursuit of the Hollie conspiracy.

The Crown Office last night said: “The procurator-fiscal at Aberdeen raised proceedings against Green for making unfounded allegations against a number of people via leaflets and the internet, amounting to a campaign of harassment against them.

“The use of the internet to harass members of the public is deplorable and unacceptable. Threatening behaviour of this nature is menacing and is a form of stalking.”

Green is now out of prison, but tagged. He claims his case, delayed as he changed solicitors, was one of the most expensive breaches of the peace in Scottish history.

He regrets nothing. He told the Sunday Herald he was protecting children from suspected paedophiles.

4: THE MOTHER

Wyn Dragon Smith believes Anne Greig, with whom she was very close in the late 1990s, is a very vulnerable woman. Nevertheless, she is furious with her.

“I loved her to bits,” she said yesterday. “I believe she has mental health issues but how could she put her best friend on a list like this? She is the source of this evil lie.”

The Sunday Herald yesterday approached Greig for comment through Green, but she did not respond.

Greig was sectioned in September 2000 in Aberdeen, a week or so after she took Hollie to a police station to name a list of abusers. Inevitably, her supporters believe she was hospitalised as part of the cover-up.

Green last night insisted Greig was quite sane, and produced documents showing assessments from psychiatrists agreeing with this.

However, social services in England, where Hollie and her mother now live, are worried about the family. The local council is currently involved in complex legal proceedings involving Hollie.

Campaigners say this is an action to have her declared mentally incapable. They staged a protest outside the Royal Courts of Justice in February during a connected case.

Greig and Green are barred by an English injunction from taking Hollie to demonstrations.

5: THE ‘ARMY’ DESERTERS

Tom, a forty-something accountant from Aberdeen, along with several other former members of “Hollie’s Army”, has turned his back on the campaign and apologised to those they accused – in person.

The growing group of former Green allies has now launched an internet counter-attack. Last week they published a YouTube video of Major and Dragon Smith telling their side of the story and – perhaps most devastating – the 2008 report by the Scotland’s Police Complaints Commissioner saying there was no evidence to support any of the campaign’s claims.

They are not the first to split away from Hollie’s Army. The campaign reacts by suggesting former friends were spies. Its official website explains how to spot what it calls “MI5, trolls and disinformation agents.”

It says: “Hollie’s abusers are part of a much bigger group that has tentacles throughout the echelons of the British Establishment, which is why from the offset Hollie’s campaign has attracted their most trusted agents.”

The site also invites donations through a Paypal account, which it says will help fund a private prosecution of “Hollie’s abusers”.

Among the protesters supporting the campaign are members of the British branch of the Truth Movement, many of whom believe the US government and not al-Qaeda terrorists attacked New York’s Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.

“The Truthers jumped on the Hollie Greig case,” explained Tom. “In fact, they used to promote the Hollie case more than their 9/11 theories. Basically, we are talking about people who think that Scotland is run by Satanists and paedophiles.”

6: THE REPORTERS

Green likes to draw parallels between Hollie’s fate and that of Stephen Lawrence, the London teenager murdered by racists only convicted 19 years after the crime.

One of the reporters closest to the Lawrence family was Mark Daly. Now BBC Scotland’s investigations correspondent, Daly looked in to the Hollie case in 2009.

He wasn’t the first investigative reporter in Scotland to do so. Like others who had investigated, Daly – initially intrigued by the fact Hollie had received compensation – dropped the story, unconvinced.

The result was an astonishing outburst of intense online abuse.

“I hope somebody rapes you,” one internet poster told Daly. “You talk pish.”

The journalist explained his decision last night. “I knew that the vast majority of these allegations would be impossible to prove,” he said. “Then I became part of the ‘cover-up’.

“I had apparently been threatened by the government and my bosses at the BBC to drop the story or I would lose my job. It was insulting and preposterous.”

Daly received hate mail. Members of Hollie’s Army protested outside BBC studios.

“The truth,” Daly added, “is that the claims of the paedophile ring were based on a tissue of false assertions.

“Hollie’s campaign was fronted by people claiming to be ‘truth seekers’ and ‘investigators’.

“They claimed they were doing this for Hollie and were among the last champions of free speech in Scotland.

“But their campaign is about the most flagrant abuse of free speech that I can think of. And as for the welfare of Hollie, it seems to me that was the last thing these people had on their minds.”

Aberdeen 2000: how the allegations started

THE claim that Hollie Greig had been sexually abused was first reported to Grampian Police by her mother in 2000.

Robert Green passionately believes the claim is true. He said: “Hollie has never had any possible motive to say anything that is not the truth. The same cannot be said for any of those who deny her allegations.”

Green says his views are supported by the fact that the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) awarded Hollie £13,500.

The CICA was told a doctor had examined Hollie and found evidence that she had had sex – although there was no evidence to suggest with whom.

A Grampian Police inspector told the authority that “on the balance of probability” the young woman had been the victim of abuse at some point in the past, but said there “was never a sufficiency of corroborative evidence to make a prosecution viable”.

The police told the CICA the allegations from Hollie’s mother that a “large number of people” had been involved in the abuse “were difficult to find evidence for”.

CICA – using a burden of proof far lower than that which would be required for a criminal conviction, “beyond reasonable doubt” – decided to make the award in 2005.

They say Hollie reported that her uncle had seen her abused by another relative. However, Hollie’s uncle, Roy or Robert Greig, took his own life in 1997. His car caught fire near Balmedie, north of Aberdeen, as he tried to kill himself with exhaust fumes. A passer-by pulled him out of the car and resuscitated him.

The Sunday Herald understands a post-mortem examination showed Greig had broken ribs and a bruise to the back of his head. Both are consistent with attempts to revive him. Green and Greig believed he was murdered to stop him talking.

Law enforcement agencies regard the matter as closed.

The allegations of a paedophile ring have been investigated twice.

Grampian Police interviewed Hollie and her mother several times from 2000 onward and filed a report with the procurator-fiscal in Aberdeen.

Through Interpol, they traced a relative of Hollie who was questioned overseas under caution, but released without charge due to “insufficient evidence”.

Different officers re-investigated the claims in 2009 after the case blew up on the internet. They filed another report to the procurator-fiscal.

Many in “Hollie’s Army” believe reports to the fiscal amount to evidence of wrongdoing, but there is no suggestion the reports contained such evidence.

Greig formally complained to Grampian Police about the first investigation, as well as about a series of other allegations she made, including the murder of her brother.

The complaint most cited by her supporters is the failure of police to interview more than one of the 22 people named by Hollie. However, Greig’s complaints were investigated and dismissed. The force’s handling of the complaints was upheld by Scotland’s independent police watchdog in 2008.

Grampian, according to an anonymised response to Greig published by Scotland’s Police Complaints Commissioner (PCCS), carried out “background checks on all the individuals concerned to establish if there was any other basis upon which to proceed- there was nothing found as a result of these checks which supported the position.”

The anonymised published response from Grampian Police to Greig’s complaint also that revealed officers – and a social worker attending the interview – had concerns about Hollie’s list of abusers when she first revealed it.

The report said: “Further questions to help establish whether X [Hollie] understood what telling the truth meant did not result in a position where those present were comfortable with accuracy of the allegations being made.”

The Crown Office last night repeated its official line regarding the case: that after two police investigations, its counsel decided there was “insufficient credible, reliable and admissible evidence” to justify criminal proceedings.

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More information about the hoax perpetrated by Hollie’s mother. Robert Green and Belinda McKenzie is at:

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You will find some 33 pages of comments but below I have posted the most recent page though you are welcome to plough through all 33 pages if you wish.

Clearly on THIS web site I have absolutely no wish to obfuscate genuine comment, however I do choose not to place links to sites which I consider to be dishonest, corrupt or a pack of lies such as that of Brian Gerrish, Belinda McKenzie, Robert Green, David Icke, Matt Quinn and similar liars, criminals or abusers.


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Post  No Fate Worse Than De’Ath on Thu 8 Aug 2013 – 20:26

This is the correct website address.
 
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/

I’m embarrassed to admit that I did believe Hollie Greig’s mother for a while. What first made me doubt her story was seeing and hearing Hollie herself. She is supposed to have recounted in graphic detail everything that happened to her over many years, all the names, dates and places.

While I am sure that some Down’s Syndrome sufferers are capable of doing this, it is patently obvious that Hollie is not. She barely understands anything that’s said to her and, when she comes up with a wrong answer, her mother intervenes and claims that she said something else.

In my opinion, Anne Greig is a very disturbed woman indeed.

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Post  Châtelaine on Thu 8 Aug 2013 – 20:35

It makes me angry, NFWTD, because a flimsy case like this is pulling the carpet underneath a lot of genuine ones. IMO, of course.
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Post  No Fate Worse Than De’Ath on Thu 8 Aug 2013 – 20:38

That’s my opinion too, Chatelaine.

There can be no doubt that there are child molesters in all walks of life (with the ones in high places getting away with their crimes) and that’s what made the story believable at first.

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Post  Châtelaine on Thu 8 Aug 2013 – 20:42

Oh, yes, NFWTD, there are miserable, despicable creatures in any walk of life. And those are the ones we should get and call to justice.
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Post  Cherry Blossom on Fri 9 Aug 2013 – 10:31

Over the years I have read articals about Hollie Greig and tended to believe them especialy when she had the support of well known people, Annie Lennock, Bill Maloney, If all the alligations were a hoak then the manipulation of a vunerable child for all those years is appalling. I just hope it’s not part of a high powered cover up. There are only two people who know the real truth and thats Hollie and her mother.

In this artical it amazed me how the McCanns were mentioned.

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Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts.

Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation. The family home in Portugal is over 100 miles away from where Madeleine McCann disappeared – there is no evidence to substantiate Roberts other claims.

http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-hoax…..html

Has anyone else come across the names Denis and Greg Mackie before, apart from the Hollie case?

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Post  No Fate Worse Than De’Ath on Fri 9 Aug 2013 – 15:09

I came across the Greig case in late 2009, around the same time that I belatedly realised that all was not what it seemed with the McCann one.

I really did think for a while that the same high-ranking Scottish paedophiles might be involved in both cases when I knew that Anne Greig’s ex-husband and son were in Portugal. Now I do not believe that there is any connection apart from – dare I say it – the common denominator of an unhinged hate-filled woman hell-bent on getting revenge on those who don’t believe her.

We have a member here who is one of the owners of the HG cover-up site. I have sent her a private message asking if she has a link to an interview which shows that Hollie has very little understanding and, in my opinion, could never have provided the information which it is claimed that she did. It used to be on the website but isn’t now.

If I hear from her, I’ll let you know.

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Post  marconi on Fri 9 Aug 2013 – 15:41

when wil the McCanns give an interview demanding the British government to search for Madeleine in a forest in Vietnam?
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Post  Maggs Shaw on Fri 9 Aug 2013 – 17:55

No Fate Worse Than De’Ath wrote:I came across the Greig case in late 2009, around the same time that I belatedly realised that all was not what it seemed with the McCann one.

I really did think for a while that the same high-ranking Scottish paedophiles might be involved in both cases when I knew that Anne Greig’s ex-husband and son were in Portugal. Now I do not believe that there is any connection apart from – dare I say it – the common denominator of an unhinged hate-filled woman hell-bent on getting revenge on those who don’t believe her.

We have a member here who is one of the owners of the HG cover-up site. I have sent her a private message asking if she has a link to an interview which shows that Hollie has very little understanding and, in my opinion, could never have provided the information which it is claimed that she did. It used to be on the website but isn’t now.

If I hear from her, I’ll let you know.

I have sent you a pm….can you let me know that you have received it….many thanks.


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Post  No Fate Worse Than De’Ath on Fri 9 Aug 2013 – 19:48

marconi wrote:when wil the McCanns give an interview demanding the British government to search for Madeleine in a forest in Vietnam?

This does not appear to be on the right topic!

Maggs Shaw, many thanks for letting me know where to find the interview. This is a link to the relevant part, between 3.00 and 4.00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwPsUafWuTw

This is only one extract of a very long interview with Anne Greig and Robert Green and I haven’t seen all of it. If there’s anyone who can stomach listening to Anne Greig’s fantasies, I’ll be interested to know if Hollie says anything else.

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Sonia Poulton’s interesting insight into the liar David Icke

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Sonia Poulton’s interesting insight into the liar David Icke

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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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this posting of a factual account of her dealings with David Icke gives an interesting insight into the vile man’s style and behaviour.

Some may remember that when he published unfounded lies about me in an effort to defame me and denigrate the facts I was publishing some years ago to expose the lies surrounding Hollie Greig as invented by Anne Greig and Robert Green and widely promoted by Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, George McKendrick, David Icke, Matt Quinn and many others.

As is well documented I was the first individual to speak out exposing the scam , as soon as I was able to show beyond reasonable doubt that I had been lied to and had misguidedly for a short period promoted the hoax on behalf of Anne Greig and later Robert Green.

For having shown that the entire story was a tissue of lies, conjecture and fantasy put about by wicked and criminal individuals not only did I receive death threats and cyber bullying as can be found by a brief search of the internet.

David Icke was amongst those seeking to promote lies about me and although I had a cast iron case my solicitor and barrister advised me that it was probable that David Icke would prove to be ‘a man of straw’ having sheltered his assets either off shore or under various subterfuges and that I would find myself liable for costs (considerable) with no means of recouping them from the odious low life David Icke.

There was also the possibility that in view of the idiotic nature of many of his other claims as with his claim to be some sort of second coming or messiah and his fantasies about lizards and the moon, just to mention two – he might have an defense of unsound mind!

I decided to drop the case as clearly those who knew me were well aware of the pack of lies he and others were peddling, and the opinions of others about me were of no consequence to me!

The same was also true of the clear case showing the dishonest efforts of low lifes such as Belinda McKenzie, Matt Quinn, George McKendrick and others of even less consequence or credibility.

That David Icke is a liar, a cheat, a bully, a scoundrel and self serving is irrefutable – it would seem that Sonia Poulter has reason to believe he may well also be dishonest thief:

SONIA POULTON 

I have been overwhelmed by the support I have received following my departure from The People’s Voice on Monday, January 6, 2014. 

This is my statement of events. 

During the brief period when I worked as a full-time journalist and presenter at The People’s Voice office in Wembley – every week day, sometimes 12 hours a day for the period from November 18th to January 6th – various volunteers and staff made alarming comments to me about the financial accounting at The People’s Voice. 

I was told that public money had been ‘squandered’, ‘spent unwisely’ and ‘in an easy-come, easy-go manner’. I was informed that various pieces of equipment, including a handheld camera, had ‘gone missing’. It was alleged that money had been paid to someone who did not warrant being paid and who shared a property in Wembley with David – amongst other accusations. 

Given these suspicions I was not happy with David Icke and Sean Adl-Tabatabai – TPV’s station manager – suggesting a second telethon on January 3, 2014. This was to raise more money for TPV following a two-week Christmas break from live programming. 

I realised that the public, who had already donated far in excess of £300,000, was losing some goodwill towards TPV – and for a number of reasons. 

I felt, as did other members of staff who said it to me – but did not have the courage to say it to David Icke directly – that all financial dealings should be public and transparent. 

I believe, and conveyed this to David Icke, Sean ADL and Liz Roberts – in their respective roles as Station Manager and Production Manager – that all money paid out – including expenses and staff wages should be published monthly. This idea never progressed beyond the asking stage. 

This, and other issues reached a head for me on Friday night when I was asked to take part in the telethon to raise money even though I didn’t know entirely where the previous public money had gone to. 

I should add I refused point blank to take part in the first telethon in early November before the station had even launched. Not only was I unimpressed with some of the content of that telethon, as a representation of TPV, but I felt there was something wrong in asking the public for more money BEFORE they had seen even one programme. 

So it was that I was not happy to do this latest telethon but I did it because I wanted TPV to succeed. 

Despite my misgivings, I put my heart into it including organising a Question Time-style panel and a film recorded on New Year’s Eve about people who are doing important activism to make positive changes to our world. 

I was, and remain, proud of this input – and output – and all the people involved in making this happen and all for only the petrol money to cover the filming. 

After the telethon, I slept badly on Friday night and by Saturday morning I had sent an e-mail to David Icke outlining my serious concerns about the finances at The People’s Voice. 

I heard nothing back from him. This was unusual because David is not only a prolific writer but he has always responded within hours, sometimes minutes, of my sending him an e-mail. 

I arrived at the TPV office on Monday about 10am. David’s office door, a glass-type partition, was closed and I tapped on it. He refused to look up at me and kept staring at the screen in front of him. 

Undaunted, I opened the door, said ‘good morning’ and asked if I could have a talk with him. He refused. He said he had to wait until Sean arrived before we could talk. I asked him when that would be. He said any minute. 

Sean arrived about 45 minutes later. Liz Roberts, Head of Production, came to me and said they were ready for the meeting. Then, somewhat oddly, she led me to the darkened, sound-proofed studio where the music and performance segment of TPV is recorded. 

I was uncomfortable with this as I was uncertain why we were meeting in here seeing as David normally conducts meetings in his or Sean ADL’s office, both at the end of the TPV main office. 

Several chairs had been placed in the darkened studio in a semi-circle and I sat down on the chair that was most set apart from the others. Sean ADL took a seat and Liz Roberts went to get David Icke. It was silent between Sean and I and we waited a minute or so until David Icke joined us. 

I could see that David was already furious when he arrived in the room. He looked how I had seen him on several other occasions when he has lost his temper with members of staff. He sat down on the chair directly opposite me and in the middle of Sean ADL and Liz Roberts and I said, ‘who’s going to start?’ 

David said that seeing as I was the one with the allegations, it should be me. 

I told him that for the past few weeks people in the office – including volunteers and paid staff – had been coming to me and making troubling accusations about misappropriation of the funds. 

I had heard stories of nights out on expenses, of many rounds of drinks and food being bought in pubs, of takeaways and alcohol being ordered to the People’s Voice by – and for – paid staff members. 

There were even more outrageous accusations told to me including people who received money from TPV who had some personal involvement with David Icke. 

I told David, Sean ADL and Liz Roberts that TPV was struggling financially because public goodwill towards TPV was at a low ebb because, amongst other things, a lack of transparency. 

I said that I felt it personally important to see how the money had been spent up to this point – and not least because David always agreed with me about the importance of transparency in all dealings. 

David’s voice was raised and he demanded to hear more of my allegations and who they involved. 

I felt that this was some kind of a trap and I said I wasn’t going to name names at this stage and that I just wanted to see where the money had been spent. He refused. He said I would have to wait until the end of the year. He was furious that I dared to question the funds. 

His entire attitude was indignant and outraged by my request. I asked him if I would need to put in a Freedom of Information request to get the information from The People’s Voice regarding accounting. 

I was shocked by the corporate front that David Icke, Liz Roberts and Sean ADL were showing me with regard what had happened with the money and I said that I believed TPV was operating no differently – with it’s hierarchy of decently paid management, numerous unpaid volunteers and no accountability – to the corporations we despised. 

It was at this point that David Icke lost his temper completely. He started shouting that I was the most divisive character that he had ever met in the media and that everyone hated me at TPV. He asked Liz Roberts to back this statement up but she couldn’t. Given that Liz has previously stated in public in the office that I am ‘an example to all of us’, I didn’t feel that she could really back up his accusation with any credibility. 

This emotional attack from David alarmed me greatly. I had only asked for financial transparency and not only was he refusing to let me have this information but he tried to use intimidation techniques to deflect me from pursuing it too. 

David Icke tells everyone I am a PROPER journalist. His words. When I am on air I am told he walks from office to office, pointing at the screen and saying ‘that’s real journalism’. The big problem here is 

David Icke is only happy when I am investigating anyone or anything other than him and The People’s Voice. 

I am not saying that anyone has carried out fraud at TPV. I have no proof of that. What I am saying, however, is that I believe there exists a cavalier attitude, at times, to the spending of public funds. 

At TPV I have seen the letters of people who donate their hard-to-come-by cash. Children giving up their pocket money and pensioners contributing part of their pension. It greatly upsets me to see the laissez faire attitude towards their money. 

The statement on my departure released by TPV and written by David Icke – according to Liz Roberts in correspondence with presenter Barrie Sharpe – was designed to smear me. 

None of what was said even came up in the meeting yesterday morning. David Icke’s statement was an affront not only to me but to anyone who supports me and to anyone who donated their time, efforts and money to TPV. Thank goodness so many people have seen right through it and reacted accordingly. 

I would be more than happy to debate TPV with David Icke, Sean Adl-Tabatabai and Liz Roberts on camera and in a neutral environment. I have nothing to hide. 

It is not me who seeks to take people into a darkened room away from other people in the office at the point when the person wants to address important questions about alleged financial mismanagement. I am, and remain, transparent in my dealings. 

I am informed by a member of staff that there have been orders to ‘remove me’. This includes taking down a great deal of information I have conveyed on film at TPV including a video we shot on New Years Eve about children being taken into care and about people campaigning against fracking. 

David Icke says The People’s Voice is about ‘the content and not the personality’. If that is so, why would he have sanctioned the removal of ‘the content’ that I contributed to The People’s Voice? 

Content, I might add, that I have already copied and feel totally at liberty to post on to Youtube. I believe that the public, who paid for this, is entitled to that and it should not be stopped because of the vindictive behaviour of people who claim to know better. 

I am in no doubt that David Icke shouted at me in the meeting because, rather than accept that there may be a problem of a certain culture growing at TPV, he chose to deflect the blame for his failings onto me and my character. 

I acknowledge that I am capable of being a fiery character. I’ve said it on camera. It’s part of who I am but it is entirely wrong – as they suggest in the official statement about my departure – to suggest that I don’t treat people with respect. 

You only have to look at the wonderful things that have been said about me following my departure from TPV. I am quite blown away by the strength of support. 

So I have to ask: why would David Icke attempt to smear my character? I only asked where The People’s Voice money had gone to? 

Hardly an unreasonable question, I thought, given myself – and many others – were contributing great amounts of time and money to making TPV happen. 

I’m not looking for a medal but I did more than work at TPV, I have also put my hand in my own pocket and have funded a hire car, petrol, pictures and food for volunteers. 

I am far from financially wealthy and I am a single parent with only my income coming in, but I have contributed what I could because I believed in what TPV was capable of. 

I am deeply upset what has come to pass. It has taken me a day to compose my thoughts into any semblance of order. I believed in the capability of TPV. I don’t anymore. As it stands, it is not capable of being the true media we so desperately need in this world. 

When I was sat in the meeting yesterday morning I realised that these three people before me were not capable of creating an alternative media. I knew that if I were to stay a moment longer I was in danger of damaging my own hard-won reputation of honesty and misleading the public too. I could not do that and that is why I left. 

I am also upset because there are people at TPV whom I have become very fond of. Good people who want to make a better world but who are unaware – or don’t know how to deal with – the real issues of injustice right under their noses. 

It won’t stop me trying to create that media I can imagine, though. I have gained a great deal of understanding of what not to do and I have plans right now how to implement my own show. I will only do this if it can be completely transparent because that is what I believe we need more of in this world. I thought TPV could offer that. It didn’t. 

For the record, David Icke needs to understand that respect – as his official statement about me calls for – is a two-way street. He is so used to being all-powerful in his environment that he responds badly to being challenged. 

Despite repeatedly saying that ‘presenters have free-will’ David Icke did not hesitate to make known some of his dissatisfactions with me inviting on guests whom he had fallen out with in the past. 

I witnessed that side of him and so did Sean ADL and Liz Roberts. They sat back and allowed it to happen. That’s why they are still there. They do not challenge him because to do so would challenge the comfortable and unaccountable existence at TPV that they have come to enjoy. 

Both Sean ADL and Liz Roberts publicly have stated that TPV may not survive beyond the end of January unless the station gets more money in. Well, as two of the people who have access to TPV’s funds, they would know. 

As of this afternoon I have not received the requested information on financial accounting. How difficult can it be to show how much has been donated to The People’s Voice and where and by whom it has been spent? 

Upon receipt of the information from The People’s Voice, I will report on my findings just as I report on the behaviour of other organisations. 

The silence from the station, in response to the extraordinary support of people who are appalled at the statement issued by David Icke on behalf of The People’s Voice, speaks volumes. 

This is my statement of the events of yesterday at The People’s Voice with David Icke, Liz Roberts and Sean Adl-Tabatabai. I have sent this statement to all these three people as well as posting it on my website and on social network sites.

Sonia Poulton, January 7th, 2014.

To view the original article CLICK HERE

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some Q&As Regarding The Hollie Greig ‘Stories’

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/12/2013

some Q&As Regarding The Hollie Greig ‘Stories’

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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18 Responses to
“> A GUEST POST
Collating Much of the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam”
which can be read in its original form at:
CLICK HERE

First may I make it absolutely clear that the post in question was NOT written by me and is a >GUEST POST< by a third party, which I have hosted on my blog in the belief that it is by and large accurate and casts a third party credibility on my belief that due to almost total lack of admissible evidence, lies, distortions, misrepresentation and dishonesty there is absolutely no credible reason to believe the ‘stories’ concocted by Anne MacKie (aka Anne Greig wife of Denis MacKei), the convicted criminal Robert Green, the obsessive Stuart Usher, the discreditted conspiracy theorist Brian Gerrish, the liar and self promoting scoundrel David Icke, the proven liar and pervert Matt Quinn and other charlatans.

I incline to believe that the third party author of the article in question may well rather over egg the belief that the Freemasons underpin the saga that Anne MacKie and her associates concocted but evil as the Freemasons are in some instances, I would contend that the ‘stories’ have been relatively easy for scoundrels to promote in the face of a slow moving and meticulous Public Sector and the desire of many to believe that people are fundamentally honest when in fact it is clear this is not true of those promoting the Hollie Greig scam.

I clearly exhonurate the unfortunate Hollie Greig from any blame in the construction of the scam as it is abundantly clear that she is the victim of both abuse and exploitation by those who have promoted the scam, and clearly she lacks the mental capacity to differentiate between right and wrong, fact and fiction and the grooming and misquoting of her by the scoundrels who surround her.

The conversation started out from the abusive and foul mouthed claim of the odious self styled liars & obfuscators at so called ‘Hollie greig justice’ (stet):

  1. Hollie greig justice said

    13711 words of shite by a maniac


    • Hi,

      this shows all too well the standard of debate of the Hollie Demanda Justice team and their foul mouthed determination to bully the gullible into believing their vile abuse of Hollie Greig is in some way justified.

      The saving grace is that it is clear that due to her mental capacity the unfortunate Hollie is oblivious of how she is being exploited.

      To date there has not been one shred of admissible evidence to support the stories that have so readily justified claims that they are all distortions, lies and inventions.

      Again and again I have challenged the advocates of the Hollie Greig fantasy to open, free, fair and decent debate – having published every document which they had quoted they were left only with issuing death threats and abuse to try to protect their implausible stories and then finally devote themselves to hacking the Hollie Greig Stolen Kids site to remove the facts that had clearly exposed their lies.

      Even to this day they dare not provide the documents that were published on the site and to protect their story, paedophiles and their own risible claims they publish lies and vile childish drivel to seek to defame those seeking the truth and exposing their dishonesty.

      Fortunately the Courts, police and media have the measure of their evil behaviour and have largely acted accordingly.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

  2. js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

    no what it shows is a pithy and accurate critique of 13700 words of utter drivel


    • Hi,

      so just to prove my point someone calling himself Jon Stevenson turns up with more abuse – Not a fact to back his claim just an unpleasant and abusive manner, so very common amongst those desperately trying to keep the Hollie Greig fantasies afloat.

      Do note that to date not one single shred of admissible evidence around which a legal case could begin to be built has ever been produced in support of the ‘stories’ being peddled about Hollie Greig.

      Just abuse and malicious lies and bullying of anyone who dares to show that the entire story is founded on lies, distortion and fantasy. Unable to support the stories with anything approaching a plausible presentation of facts and admissible evidence the only route they seem able to take is to lie and try to defame those providing the facts that show the entire issue to be little more than a deliberate and criminal scam.

      I am the first to admit that to start with I was trusting enough to have been taken in by the lies of Anne Greig and Robert Green and tried to help them by setting up a blog site at their request, as a part of the Stolen Kids effort to expose paedophiles and the secret family Courts.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

  3. PY said [JonStevenson42]

    yet ye still NAME them ,bully boy


    • Hi,

      Jon Stevenson’s comment is sadly fairly unintelligible – however if he posts again without being abusive or attempting to defame when he feels better in the morning possibly he will make more sense!

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

      • pyrite said [JonStevenson42]

        So WHY do you illegally name the accused and the abused on this blog,simple question?


      • Hi,

        were you to spend more time reading the facts presented on this archive of facts you might have read, on many occasions, the answer to your question.

        May I suggest you put more effort into establishing the facts and appreciating that there is absolutely zero admissible evidence to support the stories surrounding Hollie Greig and claims of her abuse by anyone other than Anne Greig, Robert Green and those who join with them in seeking to exploit her nor of claims that the death of her Uncle Roy was anything other than suicide.

        Let us not forget that as I was originally providing the web site for Anne Greig and later on for Robert Green I received the cop[ies of ALL the evidence they were able to provide – including the autopsy report and death certificate of Roy Greig.

        Also I was provided with the original list of those claimed to have sexually abused Hollie Greig and her supposed co-victims.

        I did not publish the list at the time however I did publish it AFTER Stuart Usher and Robert Green printed it out and distributed it at a public meeting organised by Stuart Usher in Edinburgh.

        I was wrong to have done so and had, like many subsequently, been duped by Anne Greig & Robert Green and their lies, which were made with such conviction that they seemed plausible and trustingly I foolishly believed them.

        As soon as I was certain there was not a shred of admissible evidence of any credible nature I gave Anne Greig & Robert Green due warning that if they were unable or unwilling to provide the evidence they kept claiming they had I would have no opption but to denounce them as at best delusional but more likely self sertving liars.

        No credible evidence was EVER forthcoming and I duely appologised to any who my gullibility had harmed and clearly stated that there was absolutely no case to answer based upon the original fantasies I had been foolish enough and trusting enougjh to believe.

        May I suggest Mr. Stevenson, if that is your real name and not some cowardly nom de plume, that you run along and check out the facts and hopefully you will have the intelligence to appreciate that you too were lied to and duped and hopefully you will have the integrity and ethical foundations to admit your errors and apologise to those you have so stridently and falsely berated.

        Perhaps you will have the courage to denounce those who had, like you, so offensively lied and sought to defame.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.

  4. Sharon Ann Zaki said


    Just to expand on Greg’s comments, it has to be said that he gives EVERYONE a right of reply on his comments section. He’s even generous enough to allow you ‘Hollie Greig Justice’ fraudsters a say. The same cannot be said about you. I tried to post a comment on the HGJ blog http://holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-hollie-hoax-squad-call-in-the-team.html but was blocked. All I was trying to say was: “Tell me, spawns of Satan, what price for selling your soul? How do you lot sleep at night?” The numpties did respond to my non-existent comment!: “SHAZZER DO YE REALLY THINK WE WOULD LET A LOW GRADE NUT CASE LIKE YOU COMMENT LOL! YOU ARE THE BRIDE OF SATAN!”

    What unbelievably pathetic creatures these charlatans are.

    • Hi,

      naturally I publish the questions and comments of those who write to me or this blog on this matter – for as long as they are not merely offensive, foulmouthed or abusive and if they provide their identity.

      Without PROOF of a genuine identity I do however reserve the right to NOT publish the comments of some.

      The aim of this blog is both as an archive and to provide such facts as can be delivered regarding the Hollie Greig ‘STORIES’ and the fantasies surrounding her uncle’s suicide.

      I have always been willing to discuss the matter with anyone who is willing to discuss the issues in a calm, polite and logical manner based on both opinion and provable facts.

      I appreciate that the claims surrounding Hollie Greig have attracted some of the most evil of individuals and the gutter sweepings of society hell bent on defaming anyone who dares to hold an opinion they wish to found on facts and admissible evidence.

      Consider the lies and fantasies of scum like David Icke, Belinda McKenzie, Matt Quinn, George McKendrick, Ian Milne, Brian Gerrish, Paul Drockton, Robert Green, Jon Stevenson, Ian Ferran and the many other low lifes who have crawled out from the sewers of society to exploit the unfortunate Hollie Greig.

      I publish the incoming comments as all too often the truth is best exposed by observing the style, stridency, abuse and belligerency of those seeking to promote or defend lies!

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

  5. js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

    So you continue to name the victims and the accused,despite the fact that its ILLEGAL and immoral ?

    • js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

      No you do not Greg as for the other commentator I have no idea what she is talking about

      • js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

        Who is Ian Milne? You really don’t inspire confidence when you don’t get these poor peoples names wrong.

      • Hi,

        yet again Jon Stevenson you presume to criticise and seek to denigrate yet never5 have you put forward any sound admissible evidence that could sustain a prosecution in support of your apparent fantasies regarding Hollie Greig and her uncle who clearly committed suicide whilst inebriated and under suspension from his job whilst being investigated regarding criminality at his place of work.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.


      • Hi,

        yes indeed Jon Stevenson I have noticed that you have difficulty comprehending both facts and comments that do not agree with your unsubstantiable beliefs regarding the Hollie Greig ‘Stories’.

        The failure to produce convincing or admissible evidence to support your stories seem consistent yet you presume endlessly to try, in desperation, to denigrate any discussion of the facts and the lack of provenance of the Hollie Greig stories.

        Let us not forget that having spoken to Hollie Greig on a number of occasions I am able to testify that her comprehension skills are only surpased by her lack of communication skills – leading to the sustainable belief that her speech and comprehension skills are as those of a small child – at times as low as three and sometimes arguably those of a 9 or 10 year old.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.

    • Hi,

      yet again Jon Stevenson I note you seek to impose your views and criticise the actions of others in promotion of your rather more obvious lack of morality and arguable criminality in repeatedly endeavouring to promote the discreditted claims of Robert Green, Stuart Usher, Anne Greig and others who promote the discreditted stories of the sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and the death of her uncle Roy regardless of the fact that there is zero admissible evidence to support the stories.

      Moat and Beam spring to mind.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

      • PY said [JonStevenson42]

        No I understand what you are about,did you admit that it is Illegal for you to name the accused and the allegedly abused children,it really is a very simple question requiring of you a yes or no answer.

        You surely are seeking through your blog imposing your viewpoint ,otherwise,why bother

      • Hi,

        to deal with your repetitive comments and obdurate refusal to accept facts Jon Stevenson:
        You state:
        ‘No I understand what you are about,’
        Clearly you haven’t a clue or you would not need to keep asking the most simplistic of questions.

        Such as:
        ‘did you admit that it is Illegal for you to name the accused and the allegedly abused children,it really is a very simple question requiring of you a yes or no answer.’
        Since you are clearly crano rectally retentive be advised I am under absolutely no obligation to respond to your tedious comments when I have answered same4 within the text of my blog on many occasions. You arrogantly presume to be both judge and jury yet have absolutely zero ability to comprehend either ethics or integrity.

        Having claimed to know in your first sentence exactly why I act as I do you now clearly admit you haven’t a clue – making sopmething of a fool of yourself:
        ‘You surely are seeking through your blog imposing your viewpoint ,’

        Clearly your judgement is completely wrong as I have no desire to impose MY viewpoint – I have acted to provide such facts as I have been able to ascertain, with appropriate evidence for the intelligent ethical reader to appreciate the obscene dishonesty of the exploitation of Hollie Greig by criminals and scoundrells, taking advantage of her mental incapacity and disabilities to further their scurilous ‘stories’ about her life and the sucicide of her5 uncle Roy.

        Having lept repeatedly to inaccurate judgement you ask:
        ‘otherwise,why bother’

        I clearly can not expect someone of your decvuious and deluded mind set to understand why someone might wish to expose those who lie, distort and misrepresent facts in their exploitation and abuse of a isabled victim of their abuse.

        I have presented the facts and set out to present all available factual material for people of integrity to make their own conclusions in this matter – A measure of the vile supporters of the evil misrepresentation deliberately set out to lie about me and others in a dewsperate attempt to defame us and even dishonestly set up web sites to pretend they were myself going so far as to steal the web log of facts which I had presented at http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ to suppress and obfuscate the evidence, the facts and the details surrounding the issue – so that they could continue to criminally and dishonestly continue to exploit Hollie greig and the issues invented surrounding her, for their own perverted and perverse gain.

        Let the facts speak for themselves and the behaviour of the vile exploiters of Hollie Greig and the tissue of lies they have fabricated about her alleged sexual abuse, for which there is no admissible evidence as with the efforts to refute the clear facts of Roy Greig’s suicide.

        Read the entirety of this blog site – seek to have the original http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ reinstated with all the evidence therin presented and apologise for your behaviour and on behalf of the desperate measures taken by you and your fellow travellers to defame and lie about me – Have the integrity to permit intelligent people to read the facts without ‘spin’ or deliberate misrepresentation to draw their own conclusions – as have the courts!

        Your manner, style and behaviour together with your fellow travellers has done more to expose the dishonsty of your position than any presentation of facts I have ever been able to make.

        Regards,
        Greg_L-W..

  1. js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

    yet again Jon Stevenson you presume to criticise and seek to denigrate yet never5 have you put forward any sound admissible evidence that could sustain a prosecution

    I didn’t know that was my job!

    • Hi,

      well you had better add that to the list of things you clearly do not know or understand – since you have presumed in your arrogance to assume the role of inquisitor seemingly in an effort to defame to aid those who are abusing and exploiting Hollie Greig as your co-conspirators.

      You are clearly unable to provide evidence of any credibility to support the abusers yet seemingly seek to defame and criticise those who seek to present facts to establish the truth.

      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.

      • js42uk said [JonStevenson42]

        well you had better add that to the list of things you clearly do not know or understand – since you have presumed in your arrogance to assume the role of inquisitor seemingly in an effort to defame to aid those who are abusing and exploiting Hollie Greig as your co-conspirators.

        I asked you a simple question,you seem unable or unwilling to answer.

        Is your publication of the names of the accused and victims not illegal,its not hard?

  2. Hi,

    asking your question again and again displays your duplicitous and obsessive nature, and apparent desperation to try to defame – particularly in the light of the fact that I have answered your question in some detail.

    Try to get over your self importance whilst we come to terms with your duplicity.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.


  3. Hi Greg

    Are you able to post my comment on my behalf i.e. saying that it is from Sharon Ann Zaki. That comment has disappeared into the ether somewhere! I’ve had this problem before with Word Press, when trying to post on other blogs.

    Sharon Ann Zaki’s.comment is:

    For anyone else reading this [other than Greg and the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ desperados] i.e. for the sane, decent folk who are interested in truth, I’ve done another update of my site in response to the 28/12/13 post on the HGJ blog http://www.sharonkilby.co.uk/site/WHY_THE_HG_STORY_MAY_HOLD_THE_KEY_TO_REVEALING_THE_SHILLS.php Scroll about 1/3 of the way down.

    Now, clarification needed. Take a look at the comment from admin on this site http://orderoftruth.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/the-peoples-voice-not-so-much-for-the-people-tpv-thepeoplesvoice-icke-holliegreig/ “For any visitors, we would like to inform you that this idiot troll is posting under the name of Job Stevenson with the name ‘js42uk’ (as you can see from the comments they have made). We have verified that this is not the real Jon Stevenson.” [Presumably the ‘b’ in Job is a typo]. Also see the comment from admin on this site http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7563p310-hollie-greig-the-devastating-fantasies-of-mother-mrs-anne-greig-and-the-lies-of-robert-green-and-belinda-mckenzie “Unfortunately, JS42UK, who definitely is the same individual as HGJ”

    So this JS42UK/Py/Pyrite/Jon Stevenson is the same person as the Hollie Greig Justice/HGJ/HDJ clown i.e. a mega-troll i.e. NOT Jon/Pyrite from the Hollie Hoax camp.

    The people who make up ‘Hollie’s Army’ are all big-gun trolls; the most loyal, trusted and talented Establishment [masonic] agents.

    Posted by Greg_L-W. for Sharon Ann Zaki.

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> A GUEST POST Collating Much of the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/12/2013

> A GUEST POST Collating Much of the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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> A GUEST POST

Collating Much of
the Hollie Greig Fantasy/Scam

PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES – I SHALL RETURN & IMPROVE THE LAYOUT & RESTORE THE LINKS AS ACTIVE (where possible & when possible)

I am trying to form a clear picture and piece the jigsaw together re the HG affair.

There is more to this story than whether or not Hollie was abused by a high up paedo ring.  I’m trying to figure out why the leaders of the ‘Truth Movement’ in the ‘Alternative Media’ ran with this story without investigating it.

It seems only Mark Daly of Panorama did an investigation; he then dropped the story due to lack of evidence. I believe there are a number of actors playing a role at the behest of their masonic masters.

The actors are the controlled opposition lot – mainly the ‘Big Guns’ but there are some of the lower profile ones taking part too.  Now, I can’t prove that but I am working on it and whether I’ll live to see it proven is another matter!

It would seem that the reason this story [and other fake ‘victim’ stories] have gone viral within the ‘alternative media’ is to detract from and undermine genuine victim cases and to waste the precious time and energy of genuine seekers of truth and justice.

Another reason is to speed up the process of internet censorship; after all if baseless stories such as the Hollie Greig one keep hitting the blogosphere, with the result of totally innocent people [including authority figures] being widely accused of paedophilia and other vile crimes, what better excuse do the ruling elite need to bring in controls which would curb the spreading of such information.

[The PTB are in a race against time to bring in their NWO, just as much as we who are opposed to it.]

Mark Daly says under the ‘Transcript of Tony Legend show with Mark Daly’: “People should have a pause and really genuinely think about what it is that you’re doing here Robert, about the seriousness of what you’ve done.

What you’ve done is an affront to free speech, it’s an affront to it, it’s not a demonstration of it, it’s an affront to it and it’s disgraceful. And you’ll have to live with that.”
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/anne-greig/page/2/

Our ONLY weapon is TRUTH via the INTERNET.

The ruling elite, with assistance from shills, troll-types and other gatekeepers are engineering ways to stop us spreading the truth.

See how here. Much time and energy has been wasted focusing on this contemptible fabrication.  What might have been achieved if so many of us hadn’t been so distracted by the HG delusion and had focused instead on the genuine victims of child abuse?

The effect of these evil masonic manipulations is that we genuine victims/truth-tellers are disempowered.  After all, there is now so much doubt and distrust amongst the ‘Truther’ warriors, we just don’t know who is the real deal anymore.

The shills are leading us down roads to nowhere and we’re left sinking in murky waters – confused, suspicious, fearful and alone.  The masonic manipulators have succeeded in creating war and distrust amongst victims [real and fake], such that genuine victims are put off helping each other.

Genuine warriors against the NWO do not have the time or energy to check out who is real and who is not.  Victimised by the State and now by its covert agents we genuine warriors have suffered a double whammy and our drive for truth and justice is thwarted.

The other successful outcome of the HG machination is that the ruling elite can now declare that the spokespeople of the ‘alternative media’ are untrustworthy and irresponsible whereas the mainstream media can be believed as it is more trustworthy; after all Panorama investigated, found the story unprovable and dropped it.

The ‘alternative media’, on the other hand, didn’t bother to investigate, broadcast it widely and made connections to ritual satanic abuse and freemasons, presented as fact.  The ruling elite can now claim that the ‘alternative media’ will believe and promote any story, despite the lack of evidence, if it concerns allegations of child abuse by untouchables within high society paedo rings.  [The NWO plan is to have elite paedophile rings in government and positions of authority.]

They can also now loftily dismiss accusations of cover up within the establishment and they can laugh off any suggestion that freemasonry is the corrupting, evil force within the authorities and judiciary and all realms of power, responsible for all injustice.  ‘Far out’ stories can simply be rubbished and people are left not knowing what to believe is true.

Decent Joe Public truth-seeker gives up and goes back to sleep.  We sincere truth tellers are herded into the same ‘conspiracy theorist ‘ box as everyone else or simply labelled ‘mental’.  The PTB war machine has many varied strategies.

Paedophile-excusing shills earn their regular 30 pieces of silver prostituting themselves spewing out half truths and outright lies.  Their job is to control the awakening of the general public so that the masses do not fully awaken to the truth.

Thus the NWO can continue to unfold, unabated. Hollie is a victim of evil, lying manipulators such as Robert Green and her mother who concocted the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ story.  Hollie is the only one telling the truth.  She is being primed to repeat lies from people in the HDJ group; people like Belinda Mckenzie.  She is a bewildered and exploited young woman and is the victim of the HDJ group, not of paedophiles.

The evidence is that she was not abused; she was sexually active with her boyfriend; her mother Anne Greig sought contraception for her.   According to Robert and Anne, Hollie named 22 individuals that abused her, giving their FULL names and addresses, including their professions.

She is supposed to have remembered this from when she was aged 6 to boot.  Such an idea is absurd.

There are numerous videos, radio and tv shows of Hollie which clearly show that she has severe language limitation such that the HG story is proven to be a hoax on that one fact alone.

For more proof, see
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-hoax…..html
Also see
http://wideshut.co.uk/hollie-greig-hoax/
where it is revealed that some of the members of the paedophile ring that has supposedly operated for over a decade in Aberdeen, Scotland, don’t even exist and other alleged victims were either not yet born or adults before they even met Hollie and have publicly denied they were harmed in any way.

Furthermore at the age of 6 and for a couple of years Hollie was living in Brazil, yet there is no mention of a Brazilian paedophile ring!

The conclusion being “the exploitation of an innocent down’s syndrome girl by snake oil salesmen, dubious activists, Christian fantasists, psychological manipulators, and delusional truthers”.  Wideshut.co also say that psychologist Eva Harding who assessed Hollie in later years has ties with the dubious Tavistock Institute, and Robert Green met with a Tavistock linked Christian group, including MPs and Lords, who appeared to want Green to sex up the satanic side of the story in to a “satanic panic”.

Keelan Balderson says quite fittingly that the “Hollie Greig story and its mythology has grown like a cancer in the truth-seeking movement.

Like a cancer, perhaps its whole purpose was to kill?  Kill the credibility of a growing counter culture that always seems to find itself stumbling on to the right things, only for its ‘leaders’ to become Messiahs, egotists or cliched conspiracy goofs.

If the alternative media is going to retain any credibility, act now, expose the Hollie Greig Hoax!”
See also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFm8Ii6mJw
and
http://www.freedomcentral.info/page.php?page=hoax2&title=$hoax2
and
http://cuttingthroughtherubbish.blogspot.co.uk/

The burning question you have to ask is why did the ‘Big Gun’ ‘Truthers’ take the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ story and run with it?
Why did NONE of them do any research?
Why did they not spot the evidence immediately?
It is glaringly obvious that Hollie simply does not have the capability to utter more than a few basic words.

A 5 year old could tell you that.

People like Richard D Hall have made themselves look ridiculous by promoting this story.
Just watching him interviewing Anne and Robert and attempting to interview Hollie is cringeworthy.
Why didn’t he reach for his bullshit buzzer instead?

How can intelligent, learned, capable people like Sabine, Belinda, Brian Gerrish, Ian R Crane, Bill Maloney, David Icke, Robert Green … be taken in by such a story and STILL believe it now when there is so much evidence to prove it is a hoax?

Why do they refuse to look at the evidence?

If Icke was a genuine ‘truther’ he would be encouraging open debate on his forums and elsewhere to ascertain the facts, but that is not the case; the opposite has happened; he was happy to promote the story internationally, but when presented with evidence that it was a hoax he refused to comment and banned all mention of it from his forums.

Ian R Crane and Brian Gerrish also refuse to look at the evidence and will not engage in dialogue with anyone who questions the story.

Ian Crane could only manage a limp claim that it was not his area of expertise and he also deleted all comments from his wall.

Bill Maloney also refuses to look at the evidence.

Why will they not discuss the evidence with the Holliehoax camp?

On 5th December 2012 Ben Emlyn Jones offered his services as chairman.
He said “The only solution therefore is for the two sides to come together and engage in an open, live and public debate.

So far this has not happened; to their credit, the Hoax side have been the ones most forward in that respect.”
http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/hollie-greig-real-or-fake.html

The reply was “Ben indicates that he is confused and has decided that the only way to clear his confusion is to have an “open, live and public debate” on the intricacies of Hollie Greig’s abuse.  We must apologise to Ben, because the Hollie Demands Justice campaign is not here for the benefit of Ben Emlyn-Jones or anyone else who may simply feel ‘confused’.”
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/

Notice the wording “intricacies of Hollies Greig’s abuse”. Ben did not say that and he did not suggest a debate on Hollie’s abuse.  Word twisting is lying.

It is clear that the HDJ side are not sincere.  If they were they would be happy to debate.

Conclusion, the above named [and no doubt others] are all either in on the masonic plot or they’re total retards or they’ve all suddenly lost their marbles.

WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BELIEVE ANYTHING THESE PEOPLE SAY NOW?

They have all made themselves look like complete and utter idiots and we have been idiots to be taken in by them.  Anyone who believes the HG story is either off with the fairies and is an embarrassment to the so-called ‘Truth movement’ or worse is a NWO gatekeeper – a paedo-protecting lying low-life individual.

The next question is what is the bigger picture?

Well I agree with Ben when he says “I have contacted both factions with my offer and we’ll see what happens.

One trope the Skeptics always use is the “conspiracy theorists are not interested in evidence!”  Well I think this proves that we are!  Unless this debate becomes more than hypothetical then I don’t see how we can possibly move forward on this issue, and this is going to affect our credibility across the board and hamper everything else we do.

So come together, guys!  Let’s talk!”  The key words are CREDIBILITY and HAMPER our efforts.

With the HG issue muddying the waters Joe Public is going to think all of us ‘Truthers’ are barking.

We genuine victims who have stacks of evidence of establishment corruption are not going to be believed and we are all going to be dismissed as ‘conspiraloons’.

Of course this is exactly the plan of the masonic manipulators.  As a result of the HG scam, allegations of cover up with regards genuine cases of child abuse by high up paedo rings can be dismissed.

Meanwhile the suffering of little children continues and the NWO trundles on.  We genuine victims have a mammoth task trying to convince anyone [even loved ones] that corruption [all masonic controlled] occurs on the many and varied levels that it does.

Genuine victims will tell you: “You just couldn’t make it up”.  When you have so-called ‘victims’ champions’ such as Sabine and Belinda successfully fuelling the disbelief, you’re really screwed.

Meanwhile it is extremely difficult to detect their fraud because a large portion of the victims [such as the ‘cases as stories’ on V/U] that they pretend to help/represent are genuine.   Also just to throw more incredulity into the mix, the masonic controlled shills are extremely good at convincing people as to their authenticity.

For example the fake Robert Green played his part well; he was sent to prison.  Green was imprisoned to make the story look genuine.  It looks good to have Hollie’s hero imprisoned when he is trying to get the authorities to investigate and charge 22 alleged paedophiles.

It backs up the HDJ claims of cover up and collusion.  This is the kind of thing [and worse] that does happen to people who try to expose upper society paedo rings and establishment corruption.

Legal Expert Chris Jarvis says here
https://soundcloud.com/brian-gerrish/brian-gerrish-child-stealing-hoax [16 mins on]
that Robert Green was crying foul, yet there was nothing unlawful about his imprisonment.
He was imprisoned legally for breach of the peace and breach of bail.  Chris and a number of parties had contacted him to give him information which would have prevented him going to prison.

They’d also enquired as to why he wasn’t using the solutions but were fobbed off with a ridiculous excuse that RG was afraid of CJ! If the HG story was not an elaborate hoax, conjured up by high up agents, RG would not have been given a prison sentence.

The fact is that many people commit crimes of a far more serious nature and they have numerous convictions, yet they never get imprisoned.

This forms part of my belief that the whole HG story was engineered and executed by high up Freemasons.  From my own experiences of Masonic manipulations – of making things up – of outright lies
[see
http://sharonkilby.co.uk/site/SHARON_ANN_KILBYS_STORY.php]

I can see how the brotherhood have spotted an opportunity to make a convincing sex abuse story out of Hollie Greig.  They had a vulnerable Downs sufferer who is unable to speak for herself, a mother who had been sectioned, an uncle who had died when Hollie was a child and a large compensation payout.

All that could be sexed up [no pun intended] with the arrival of a hero who would be imprisoned for his gallant efforts – enter Robert Green.  It is important to note that the ‘HDJ’ campaign was born when the plant Robert Green got involved.

As for uncle Roy’s death, at the time, everyone, including Anne Greig, accepted the coroner’s findings that he had committed suicide.  [More on this below.]

In similar vein Roger Hayes went to prison.  Hayes and his good chum Brian Gerrish and all the shill repeaters are spreading it about that his incarceration was illegal – secret ‘Stasi’ trial etc, which is nonsense and a pack of lies.

Roger Hayes was imprisoned lawfully for “wilful refusal” to pay council tax.
See
http://fullfact.org/articles/secret_courts_summary_justice_council_tax-27504
for a voice of reason.

Despite BG’s proclamation that a “number of people are working as hard as they can in order to try and overturn the decision that’s been made” and “this is a very, very dangerous precedent, and we are extremely grateful to Mr Gerard Batten MEP for raising the issue of Roger Hayes’ case and the significance of it in the European Parliament”
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=38122
RH stated he wanted to stay in prison
“for the publicity”.
Roger Dodger even went on hunger strike!

Chris Jarvis offered his services as a legal consultant but was, again, effectively told to get lost.
See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nXDLyB2g4 [25 mins on].

It’s all a game to them and they’re paid well by their elite paymasters to play it.  Comrades, please, do not be hoodwinked by these vile creatures.  CJ rightly says certain people such as BG are trying to make the system look corrupt.

The problem is not the system but the secret Masonic brotherhood who are in the driving seat.  Their aim is to bring down the system so that the NWO can be brought in.

Nowadays there are a number of people claiming to be establishment victims; some are genuine, some are very suspect.

We can be very suspicious of the high profile ‘victims’ who are getting lots of publicity on well-known shill sites and who work with known shills.  [These pretend ‘victims’ and ‘Truthers’ seem to have lots of time and money to appear to be helping others and to devise elaborate ways of ‘waking the sheeple up’.  For example, they find creative ways to make videos to highlight false flag operations such as 7/7 and 9/11; they go on various demos, engage in publicity stunts, enjoy meetings with politicians…  They certainly don’t appear to be suffering any hardship.]

The effect of all their campaigning is the opposite of what they appear to be trying to achieve, they just end up sending people round in circles, wasting genuine victims’ time and money and creating confusion and suspicion.

This, of course, is the intended outcome because the real force behind those campaigns is the Masonic hierarchy.  This is what we, genuine establishment [masonic] victims are up against.  Here is the very effective divide and conquer and delay tactic at work again.

The ruling elite throw suspicion and doubt into the pool of ‘truthers’ and they successfully thwart the attempts of genuine victims to unite and form an effective army.  [The shills and fake ‘victims’ are only pretending to challenge the ruling elite.  Their job is to silence and crush us genuine victims and they get paid very well to do so.]

It is so frustrating to realise now, that all those brilliant ‘truther’ sites and all the spirited ‘soldiers’ springing up all over the place and even getting themselves on TV, spreading the word and seemingly doing very effective work challenging the NWO, are in fact fakes!

The elite freemasons know we genuine victims are the only people who have the motivation and determination to mount an effective challenge.

The problem for us is we are few in number and are, as such, easy pickings.  Also many genuine victims are already too crushed to fight back and many just can’t fathom what is happening to them.  Those of us who are spirited enough to try and mount a challenge are constantly under attack on all fronts.  [The masons find ingenious ways to rob you of your home, possessions and loved ones, create stress for you and your kids, such that you are all constantly battling illness and they create problems for you in the workplace; sometimes so bad that you are forced to leave.

They are so successful as they have all the weapons at their disposal; they create a scenario that, to anyone else, it appears that you are the problem/have mental issues…  Daily life becomes such a struggle [by masonic design] that there is no time or energy left for a victim to fight back.

Such resources are spent trying to earn a living, keeping a roof over one’s head, doing housework, caring for family, whilst at the same time trying to record evidence of corruption, as well as coping with various State Agent Smiths who come a calling and various official meetings/court hearings…]  Even if you manage to cope with such unbearable masonic onslaught, your sack-loads of evidence of State corruption get you no-where.

No-one cares.

Only another genuine victim of the establishment [freemasons] will believe you and will support you and will fight alongside you.

It is nigh on impossible to form an effective army against the mighty masonic hierarchy.  Stephen Knight says in his book ‘THE BROTHERHOOD’ :  ‘Only the fighters have any hope of beating the system once it is at work against them.  Most people, fighters or not, are beaten in the end, though.

You finish up not knowing who you can trust.  You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who thinks the whole world is conspiring against them.  It is a strange phenomenon.  By setting up a situation that most people will think a fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person’s life.

If they give in they go under.  If they don’t give in it’s only putting off the day because if they fight, so much unhappiness will be brought to the people around them that there will likely come a time when even their families turn against them out of desperation.  When that happens and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat.

The newspapers will not touch them.  There is no defense against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists’.

I will expand on my points and give more detail of the lies and inconsistencies which prove the HG story is fake.
For more detail and evidence see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSxOrwg5ejM
and the Hollie Hoax site
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-hoax…..html

Hollie Greig was born on 24th November 1979.  The story is that at the age of 6 she started being abused by a paedophile gang.

At first there were 31 alleged paedophiles.  That figure changed to 22.  The abuse continued for 14 years until the year 2000 when she was 20 years old and began to speak out; first telling her mother. As far as I’m aware and according to the official HDJ site 14 of the 22 alleged abusers are named, who are the other 8?

Brian Gerrish of UK Column says on ‘Open your mind’ radio that, in many cases, Hollie even gave the relationship between people.  She allegedly gave full names, addresses and professions and she also described how she was abused and where it happened….  There is no evidence that Hollie said/is able to say all this.

This is confirmed by her brother Greg and Wyn, Anne’s best friend for 5 years.

The evidence is that she can barely say a few words.  Robert Green says he has the police transcripts of Hollie’s interviews, why doesn’t he publish them?  [See more on this below.] Let’s assume Hollie did name these 22 people, how/where did she get the names and addresses of them, such as Jack, Evelyn, Sarah & Susie Buchanan?

These people have been proved NOT to be related to the Sheriff.  At first Evelyn was the Sheriff’s sister…..then the sister-in-law.  Both are lies! Hollie, along with other children including Wyn Dragon-Smith’s children were allegedly taken to the Sheriff’s sister’s house to be abused.

BUT the Sheriff had no sister, therefore there WAS no house.  Wyn’s children didn’t meet Hollie until she was 17 and they were in their 20’s.  The Sheriff did not even live in the area until 2000.  It is stated in the HDJ ‘questions and answers’ sections that Hollie said she was taken along with the other victims she had named by minibus to Jack and Evelyn’s house.

In the Tony Legend Show Hollie said that her Father used to drop her off and pick her up.  Sometimes she went on her own and sometimes her Father was there.  So how did Hollie or her dad find a non-existent house?  Here is an extract from an email Robert sent to Marcus Ryder of the BBC  “The one positive aspect was the absolutely heroic stance of Hollie Greig, who withstood the necessarily difficult questions with calmness, precision and dignity.

She is a woman of true stature and an example to everyone who has faced the similar horrors of group rape.  Significantly, a very high proportion of the rapes and abuse took place in the home of Sheriff Buchanan`s sister, Evelyn.”

Tony Legend of Manchester on-line Radio interviewed Hollie.  You can clearly hear Anne saying “and anyone else’s house” a number of times until Hollie gives the required answers.

I used to look after an 18 year old Downs Syndrome girl and I got to know her very well.  She behaved exactly as I’ve seen Hollie behaving and her language capability was similar to Hollie’s – pretty much one word answers only.  I also knew a 30 year old Downs man and he also behaved in the same way and had severe language disability. Why does the court order not include Evelyn, Jack, Sarah and Susie Buchanan?

The reason is that the court doesn’t find it necessary to place non-existent individuals on court orders. According to Robert, Hollie says other kids were abused by these people.  These ‘kids’ have claimed they were not abused.

Their statements are published on the Hoax site.

Four of the ‘victims’ would have been in their 20s at the time of the abuse.  Two of them weren’t born at the time of the allegations. Robert says Hollie was terrified that her dad was going to kill her, her dogs and her mom.

The Edge Media interview clearly shows Hollie did not believe her dad was going to kill her, her dog or her mother.  When asked this direct question by Theo Chalmers, Hollie’s answer was NO!

Theo appeared completely shocked and asked her to confirm she did not believe him – Hollie obliged and said NO again.

Theo Chalmers then asked Hollie why she had kept quiet for so long.  She then said  “He didn’t kill them.”  Theo looked to Anne for translation and Anne ACTUALLY CHANGES what Hollie had said to – “he said he would kill them”.

Robert says he overheard Hollie naming all 22 individuals while sat outside the interview room, and he noted them in his notebook.

There is clear evidence that Hollie is badly affected by her condition.  That was clear in the Edge Media interview and other videos.    Even if it were true, you would not hear clearly what Hollie would say sitting outside ANY room when most people could not understand what she says when sitting right next to her.

Robert claimed his notebook was stolen by the police.

According to ‘HDJ’ there were police raids on RG’s home and on the home of Anne and Hollie, whereby important documents were taken.  Well, it is just not conceivable that both Anne and Robert [as the ‘official representative’] would not have made copies of everything and stored them in a safe place.  All whistleblowers do this.

I have copies of all my stuff [including rough notes] stored with more than one trusted person.  Also duplicates can be requested if necessary.  So to suggest that vital evidence has somehow gone missing is nonsense.

According to the FAQ section on ‘HDJ’ it is stated: ” It should be noted that Hollie has the ability to use ‘Makaton’ (sign language) and when the police interviewed her they confirmed she was not ‘incopax’ and declared her a very credible witness.

Moreover TWO Psychological Assessments by eminent clinical psychologists Dr Jack Boyle in 2001 and Dr Eva Harding in 2003 confirm that Hollie’s account of her experience, despite “sparse’ language was entirely plausible and did not lead to the conclusion that she had lied or invented anything.

Dr Harding’s report ends thus: “It is undoubtedly the case that Hollie was sexually abused by her father and brother over a long period from childhood and probably by others who had access to her. This report is given in soul and conscience.”

Well according to Robert Green, he HEARD Hollie from outside the police interview room, so she wasn’t using sign language then!  In all the coverage I’ve seen of Hollie ‘communicating’ she has never used sign language.

Has anyone seen her and her mother communicting in this way?

Is there any evidence that Hollie communicates this way?

Has the report by Dr Eva Harding [who has ties with the Tavistock Institute] been published anywhere?

The Boyle report is published here.  It consists of mainly what Anne says.  The only reference to what Hollie actually says is a vague “she is describing sexual abuse”.

The Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland Jim Martin states in his PCCS report [p23] that Superintendent J noted in the Subject Report that the psychologist reports were not acted upon in the sense that they did not prompt any further enquiry.

Deputy Chief Constable Y stated in his final letter to AG 9th May 2007 “I do note that the weight of emphasis within the reports is on [Denis and Greg] as alleged perpetrators with less emphasis on the possibility of specific others being involved in alleged abuse.”

Panorama investigator Mark Daly told Robert & Anne that he could not run with the story. 

Robert claims it was because Daly said he would lose his job. 

Robert will not give permission to Mark Daly to release the tapes of the conversation they had.  Listening to these tapes would very clearly determine exactly WHO is lying. 

This is Mark Daly’s statement: “I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided. After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. 

It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them.

On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed.  As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. 

There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality.  And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.” 

See Mark Daly v Robert Green here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC_bV_xkuwg

Green accuses the Lord Advocate Elish Anglioni QC of a cover up.  According to a letter dated 4th December ’09 from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, “All key decisions in relation to prosecution in Hollie’s case in 2000 and 2001 were taken before or after the Lord Advocate’s time as Regional Procurator Fiscal in Grampian and were taken by other senior prosecutors.” 

So Elish Anglioni had nothing to do with the case. The CICA [Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority] was told a doctor [P] had examined Hollie and “found evidence of penetration of [Hollie’s] private parts”. 

There was no evidence to suggest with whom.  [Ref p 11 of the PCCS report.]  Detective Inspector V states, “on the balance of probability, that [Hollie] was sexually abused” but “there was never a sufficiency of corroborative evidence to make prosecution of any viable person.” 

Given that the police were almost certainly unaware that Hollie had a boyfriend, it is not surprising they would have to conclude that she must have been sexually abused. 

However it has also been suggested by Mr G, a Police Support Officer, that “previous penetration did not mean sexual abuse and to illustrate this he stated that children may injure themselves internally while playing” [p30 of the PCCS report]. 

Miss W, the representative from the support organisation who acted on Hollie’s behalf at the CICA hearing said she was “taken aback by the difference between what was said by Mr G and what she understood the police evidence would be” [p21].

AG could provide evidence of this sexual abuse if she published Hollie’s medical notes.  Why doesn’t she? 

She says that it is documented in medical records that Hollie was penetrated anally. 
She tells Tony Legend, Manchester Radio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqN1-3CIqQw 
via a Butlincat video that Hollie told the police that she suffered anal sex from these paedos and as a result had a fissure which caused red mucous to come from her bottom. 

Despite Tony Legend stating that AG had shown him “document after document supporting her story, including medical records and autopsy reports” none of it is published! 

See also the Butlincat write up. 
Where’s the evidence???
Anne Greig might be able to convince us that she’d suffered domestic violence from Denis if she published her medical records. 
Why doesn’t she? 
[She alleges that she was “covered in bruises and had a broken finger”. See Complaint 3 p15 and 16 of the PCCS report.] CICA – using a burden of proof far lower than that which would be required for a criminal conviction, “beyond reasonable doubt” – decided to make the award in 2005.

As for AG’s complaint 6 [p19], Deputy Chief Constable Y tells AG: “Detective Sergeant F interviewed [Hollie] in the presence of an ‘Appropriate Adult’.

Both had some reservations regarding the manner in which [Hollie] disclosed a lengthy list of people who I understand you believe may have abused [Hollie]. 

Further questions to help establish whether [Hollie] understood what telling the truth meant did not result in a position where those present were comfortable with accuracy of the general allegations being made.” See this letter
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/dc-davidson—anne-putting-words-into-hollie-s-mouth..html
showing that DC Leanne Davidson “confirmed that Mrs Mackie is continually making allegations to the police about people abusing Hollie.  She is adding to this list of people all the time. 

Leanne feels that Mrs Mackie is putting words into Hollie’s mouth.” The allegations of a paedophile ring have been investigated twice. Grampian Police interviewed Hollie and her mother several times from 2000 onward and filed a report with the procurator-fiscal in Aberdeen. 

Detective Sergeant F informed AG that, “with the exception of relative A [Hollie’s brother Greg] there was no evidence to justify further enquiry in relation to the individuals named.”  Through Interpol, Greg, was “traced and interviewed on 9th January 2002, after which he was released without charge due to the absence of evidence” [ref PCCS report p10 and p19]. 

Detective Sergeant F carried out “background checks on all the individuals concerned to establish if there was any other basis upon which to proceed – there was nothing found as a result of these checks which supported the position” [p 19 of the PCCS]. 

See also
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/no-investigation–hollies-carer-and-children-innocent….html

Different officers re-investigated the claims in 2009 after the case blew up on the internet.

They filed another report to the procurator-fiscal. Many in ‘Hollie’s Army’ believe reports to the fiscal amount to evidence of wrongdoing, but there is no suggestion the reports contained such evidence. 

A subject sheet sent to the Procurator Fiscal on 8th March 2002 provided information regarding the circumstances of the enquiry and the rationale not to interview the list of people previously named.  

[Ref CPPS report p10.] Anne Greig formally complained to Grampian Police about the first investigation, as well as about a series of other allegations she made, including the murder of her brother. 

The complaint most cited by her supporters is the failure of police to interview more than one of the 22 people named by Hollie. 

However, A Greig’s complaints were investigated and dismissed. The force’s handling of the complaints was upheld by the PCCS [Scotland’s independent police watchdog] in 2008. Hollie allegedly reported that her uncle had seen her abused by another relative.  However, Hollie’s uncle, Roy or Robert Greig, took his own life in 1997. 

His car caught fire near Balmedie, north of Aberdeen, as he tried to kill himself with exhaust fumes. 

A passer-by pulled him out of the car and resuscitated him. A post-mortem examination showed Roy Greig had broken ribs and a bruise to the back of his head.  Both are consistent with attempts to revive him. 

Green and Anne Greig believe he was murdered [that he was “repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle”] to stop him talking. 

Stuart Usher on the Paul Drocton Show confirmed the autopsy stated Roy suffered a simple bump on the head [contusion].  Anne and Robert said the autopsy was taken to an ‘expert’ for an informal interpretation report.  They said the report showed ‘murder’ was the most likely outcome. 

Why doesn’t Anne or Robert publish that report? 

Anne said her brother had no reason to commit suicide and therefore the coroner’s verdict could not be true. 

Mark Daly found that Roy did have reason to kill himself as he had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing.

AG did not see fit to mention to the police [Detective Sergeant F] that she believed Roy was murdered and why.  In the PCCS report on p22 Superintendent J states in his Subject Report that AG “did not specifically allege that there was anything sinister in Roy’s death.” 

In fact the claims that there was a connection between Roy’s death and the alleged abuse of Hollie seems to be an afterthought.  Supt J states that there was no evidence from officers who had been involved with AG in the past that she raised concerns that the death of Roy was connected with him allegedly witnessing Denis abusing Hollie. 

It is stated in the PCCS report on p 30: “This was raised as a broad concern by [AG] in her statement of complaint.” As for AG’s complaint with regards fraud in relation to Roy’s estate, we might ask why AG did not raise the issue in her original statement [p12 of the PCCS report “… information regarding an historic fraud enquiry to Superintendent J on 10 October 2006. 

He responded to [AG] on 13 October 2006, stating that the information contained in her fax had not been touched on in her original statement.”]  Also, why she could not be accurate about dates [p7 “It is evident that Detective Constable L and detective Constable M visited [AG] re allegations of fraud.  [AG] told Supt J that this meeting occurred in January 2004.

However, Supt J states in the Subject Report that the officers believe that this meeting occurred in 2001 or 2002.”]  Further AG cannot give detailed information.  

Detective Inspector Z, Head of the Fraud squad, states that AG was “unhappy with the value of assets she’d received re Roy’s estate but that she was not able to identify what assets remained unaccounted for and as such a police investigation would not have been appropriate” [p14 and 25]. Robert Green says in his blog  http://holliedemandsjustice-robertgreensblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/death-of-robert-david-greig.html
on 11th January 2012:  “When the autopsy finally arrived, it stated that Roy`s sternum, one of the body`s strongest bones, had been broken, along with several ribs and damage to the skull, consistent with having been badly beaten.” 

Also: “Sylvester Cadger had been given an award for his bravery in trying to rescue Roy by the Royal Humane Society, which posed yet another question. In order to receive such an award his action must have been witnessed. It was not a member of the emergency services, although a later newspaper report mentioned a “passing nurse”, odd in itself given the remoteness of the spot.

However, there seems to be no record at all of this elusive individual, The Royal Humane Society does not know, the police do not know and Sylvester Cadger refuses to answer. Now Mr McGeechan, at the Crown office, has refused to disclose the identity of this person, always assuming that the individual actually exists.”

Also: “I disclosed my concern about Sylvester Cadger`s  role in Roy`s death. My suspicions were raised further when both the transcripts which arrived later from the Police and Crown Office had omitted the entire mention of Mr Cadger.

When challenged, both stated that no omissions had been made and that the transcripts were faithful to the contents of the tape. Thanks to my solicitor, Mr Gerry Sweeney, who successfully pressed to obtain the tape, there was the section about Syvester Cadger.

Why did the Police and Crown Office omit and then lie about it?  No other section had been tampered with.”

WHY DOESN’T ROBERT GREEN PUBLISH THE AUTOPSY REPORT, THE TWO TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE POLICE AND CROWN OFFICE, THE TAPE RECORDING, THE STATEMENTS FROM THE POLICE AND CROWN OFFICE THAT NO OMISSIONS HAD BEEN MADE AND THE NEWSPAPER REPORT??? 

According to HDJ.org [5/3/2013] “A report states as a result of rescuing Robert Greig he sustained burns to his hands.”  Also “According to the autopsy, Robert Greig did not receive first, second or third degree burns.” 

WHY DON’T THEY PUBLISH THESE REPORTS?

Robert Green’s “Death of Robert Greig” blog is published here, just in case the odious liar removes it.  See here  http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/a-1000-piece-jigsaw-is-now-coming-together/
for more on Sylvester Cadger.

Green also says in the same blog: “It had come to light that Hollie’s father successfully claimed £51,000 from the Scottish Widows, through a solicitor named by Hollie, on a life insurance policy taken on his brother-in-law’s life.” 

Well, where is the evidence for this?  And how was it possible for Hollie’s father to take out a life insurance policy on Anne’s brother when Anne was his next of kin?

See Greg L-W blog, under Robert [Roy] Greig Embezzlement for more
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/anne-greig/page/2/
See also the 4/5/2013 post on
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/a-still-smoking-car-fire/ 
under the title A STILL SMOKING CAR FIRE.  HDJ.org state: “The latest from the police in response to a FOI request in 2013 is that Roy’s death was ‘accidental’.” 

Also: “Anne has continued to press Grampian police and fire service as to why they so rapidly ruled out foul play and decided they did not need to investigate further.  They told her “it was clear no-one else was involved”.” 

Quotes appear to have been plucked from thin air again! 

There is no reference to any official document.  Why don’t they publish official documents to back up their story, considering they are now well and truly backed up in a corner, desperately trying to convince the public that they speak the truth. 

They also state: “Then in 2011, Anne managed to obtain the fire-report, a likewise very revealing document.”  So why don’t they publish it???  Further down this post, HDJ summarise as follows:

1]  Back in 1997 the fire service had said “the police are treating this incident as suicide … it is clear the fatality tried to kill himself …” but in 2013 the police are now saying that Robert David Greig’s death was “accidental”;

2] Grampian Police maintain that Grampian Fire & Rescue Service hold all the information on the incident;

3] Grampian Fire & Rescue Service however say no information is being held by them;

4] the all-important toxicology report is being withheld by the pathologist, Dr Grieve;

5] The Procurator Fiscal who is responsible for prosecutions in Scotland claims no longer to be holding any documents on the case.

Again, notice that there is no reference to any official document to support these claims!

There are replies to F.O.I requests, however it is stated there that the FIRE was an accident, not that Roy’s death was.

“15. In answer to a previous F.O.I from A,Greig you have stated the fire was an accident.  How was this determined and what forensics were carried out?

This determination was based on the fire report and what was noted at the scene by police officers [i.e. hosepipe attached to exhaust].”

WORD TWISTING IS LYING.

It is also clearly confirmed in the same report that Roy was not murdered; that he had committed suicide as was his intention.  The evidence is that people were trying to save him, not murder him.

“16 In answer previous F.O.I from A. Greig, you have also stated that you had determined there was no other person involved?  Precisely how was this determined?

This was determined from witness statements from those who tried to save deceased and that there was no evidence to suggest that anyone else was involved.”

“18 By what evidence did Grampian Police make a determination that suggested that the cause of the fire was suicide to the PF and therefore no further investigation launched?

From the information in the fire report, witness statements and what was noted at the scene.” See
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/162781/response/402192/attach/html/3/response.pdf.html
See also
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/152694/response/376423/attach/html/2/FOI.140.13.Reply.pdf.html

“8] The Fire Incident Log states: “…although the fire was accidental, it was clear that the fatality had tried to kill himself”.” “b] Give precise details of how it was determined that the fatality was also a suicide?

There was no evidence to suggest that any other person was involved.”

“9] The Fire Fatality Incident Report states: “Build up of back pressure in exhaust system caused catalytic converter to over heat and ignite plastic in engine compartment”.

” See also
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/116167/response/288032/attach/html/3/FOI.211.12.Reply.pdf.html
and
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/105743/response/276781/attach/5/FOI.176.12.Reply.pdf

These reports do not reflect what is being stated by the HDJ gang.  There are other replies to FOI requests re HG on whatdotheyknow.com, however nothing there backs up anything ‘Hollie’s army’ say.

If they want us to believe them why don’t they publish the documents they say they have?

Incidentally I find it a little odd that HDJ don’t provide a link to the FOI replies!

They also state in the same post: “She was told by the Procurator Fiscal said they had looked into the case and “it could not determine that it was suicide”.”

Here they are again throwing out quotes willy nilly with nothing to back up anything they say.

Barefaced liars.

The FOI clearly confirm that the police thoroughly investigated the allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and had found them to be unsubstantiated: “Historical allegations of sexual abuse made by a 30 year old woman in Shropshire have been thoroughly investigated by Grampian Police.

Crown Counsel have considered all the available information and decided that there is insufficient credible, reliable and admissible evidence to justify criminal proceedings in respect of these allegations.”

HDJ state on their Q & A section that Grampian police “do accept that she had been abused by her father Denis Mackie and her brother Greg.”  So there is another blatant lie.

I won’t bother pointing out any more of their lies/baseless allegations – just on that page alone – there are far too many.

Greg L-W describes Robert Green as “”a menace to the good function of society”, “a dangerous, irresponsible, criminal liar” and “a Snake Oil Salesman”.
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/greg-lance-watkins/
I agree with Greg and would add that this description applies to ALL in ‘Hollie’s Army’ and ALL in the A/M who promote this story.

I have copy/pasted the relevant FOI reports here just in case someone removes them.

HDJ continue their blatant and breathtaking lies in their efforts to convince us of a “murky picture”, of buck passing of “a very suspicious incident” within the authorities.  They ask “how come that all these years the Fiscal never confirmed to certain authorities that the death was accidental?”

The lying scumbags then go on to say “who was the mysterious nurse at the scene who possibly assisted with the revival attempts?” 

Read again my comments re RG’s 11/1/12 blog. 

Where is it confirmed in any official document that there was a nurse or a Sylvester Cadger? 

We don’t know who tried to revive Roy.  RG has apparently got 2 transcripts from the police and crown office, a tape recording, statements from the police and a newspaper report in relation to this. 

BUT HE WON’T PUBLISH ANY OF IT!!! 

On 5th March 2013 HDJ state “Grampian Fire Report states “accidental suicide”.”  LIARS! 

The monkeys even point out that “either it was accidental, suicide or it was something else?”  i.e. that accident and suicide are not compatible! 

The Fire incident log clearly states accidental fire and suicide.  And the HDJ thugs have the jaw dropping gall to accuse Dennis and the other innocent victims of the HG hoax of using “lies, slanderous distortions and distractions”!!!

The only murky picture here is the one the filthy freemason controlled HDJ are concocting! 

Jesus the BS this lot come out with beggars belief.  They must think we’re all as thick as pigshit. 

Did they really think that we who are on to them would not notice what is actually stated in the official documents that are published? 

They say “This story is bigger than the Saville cover up.”  Yes it is.  But not in the way they say. 

This story will expose the masonic paedo-protecting NWO gatekeepers.

The ‘Hollie’s Army’ gang remind me of the way my evil ex used to behave.  Virtually all the malicious lies he said about me and the accusations he made against me actually applied to him! 

The same tactics are used here. 

So when the foul mouthed HDJ gangsters make accusations against their victims and the truth tellers we know they are actually speaking about themselves. 

Belinda, Sabine, Robert Green, Brian Gerrish ….all masters of LIES, SPIN, SLANDER, DISINFO AND DISTORTIONS. 

They must all have degrees in the art of bullshitting.

An example of this is in a comment by the idiot ‘Joe Cryans’ [which is probably not his real name] on the 5/8/12 HDJ post entitled ‘To Balance the Scales’ written by Ian McFerran. 

Cryans says that Wyn and Sylvia are trying to “spin their way out of it” and that whilst doing so they are “digging a much deeper pit to fall into”. 

Well it is clear who the spinners and diggers are! 

The slippery smug slug McFerran deserves an award for his spinning skills.

Now let’s look at the absurdity of their 5/8/12 post.  The HDJ NLP trained sociopaths really are showing desperation here.  First of all let’s cut the crap about there being a mail from McFerran to HDJ.org saying that he was bowing to some people’s wishes to look at the answers provided by the opposition. 

There were no ‘people’ asking him to do this response; his HDJ co-conspirators asked him to do it … and this stupid lapdog dutifully obliged. 

Now why would the HDJ lot feel the need to ‘balance’ the facts of the matter? 

Their title tells you everything. 

Balancing in this context means neutralising [which is exactly what my ex and his freemason friends in high places tried to do to me]. 

In plain English HDJ.org were/are terrified of Sylvia and Wyn because they formed a ‘Hoax’ group who began collecting lots of proof that there is no substance to the HG story. 

Furthermore that these good people were not afraid to shout it from the rooftops.  HDJ, alarmed at this, panicked and sent their trusted henchman McFerran on a damage limitation exercise. 

McFerran came up with some, it has to be said, spectacular spin on the 40 answers given in his effort to neutralise what was being said by Sylvia and Wyn.  But his dirty little plan didn’t work, the opposite was achieved. 

Now everyone can see what an evil lying little man McFerran is.  But more importantly any well meaning person who might be taken in by the HDJ loathsome lot can now see the truth for themselves, published on the Hollie Demands Justice’s very own website and shining like a beacon, albeit starting from around one third of the way down the page.

Now that all that has been cleared up, let’s take a nosey at some of the things this McFerran pr..k spouts. 

He says: “This response is being presented at the request of a few people who were not happy with the detail of some of the answers provided and the evasive nature of some of them.  I shall try to respond as impartially as I can.”  What a bare-faced lying cheeky git. 

Look at his terminology ‘evasive’.  He and his gang are the shifty ones. 

Wyn and Sylvia speak straightforwardly.

And how can the idiot say he’s impartial when he’s one of the main players in ‘Hollie’s Army’??? 

He sanctimoniously goes on to say “Therefore when the answers given by the ‘accused’ appear defensive … the campaign is only calling for an open public enquiry and is not directly accusing them of anything.  Speculations and views are one thing; legal due process is something quite different.”  Lying hypocrite. 

He is one of the HDJ heavyweights and they have all been directly accusing Wyn and Sylvia of being part of a paedo gang who raped Hollie.  As for a public enquiry, he knows there can be no such thing because there is no need for one.  [More on this below]. 

As for specs and views, he and his gangster pals are the ones who have infected the Net with their disgusting lies…  He goes on to say in bold “…we will not be answering further questions” and “The reason given the points have been covered elsewhere. 

This seems to nullify the reason for letting the public put questions to the accused ladies.” 

Here the slime ball is implying that the ladies are trying to avoid answering questions.  The fact is Sylvia and Wyn have given truthful comprehensive answers to every question put to them.  They welcome questions and are willing to debate.  There is complete transparency with these ladies, since they have nothing to hide. 

Not so with the HDJ evildoers. 

The problem Wyn and Sylvia have is that it is impossible to negotiate with a slippery character like McFerran who is hell bent on burying the truth by whatever means possible and on trying to turn the tables.  The rest of this pompous prat’s response is just jammed pack full of lies, inferences and innuendos. 

The slurs against two completely innocent and decent ladies have done irrepairable damage to them and their families.  Does this McFerran twonk have any idea how much contempt people have for him and what a prize prat he’s made of himself in his desire to please his paymasters?   

He may feel proud of himself and it is likely that the HDJ barstewards will have considered it a job well done.  But all good people will see him in a different light.  One word best describes this sycophant … and it rhymes with banker!

The HDJ.org 5/3/13 post ends with: “One thing is clear, there is nothing here that can possibly qualify as a ‘thorough investigation’ on the part of Grampian Police and Fire & Rescue Service and the Procurator Fiscal of this suspicious incident. 

So, if these are this authority’s standards in relation to a violent death, we have to question whether they are likely to have been any more reliable in the matter of a certain case of serious sexual abuse which, in similar vein, they claim to have “thoroughly investigated” and discounted of being of any concern?”  Nice try, cheeky monkeys.  

This lot are trying to fool the public into believing that there is a cover up.  We can see now why the so-called ‘HDJ campaign’ went quiet for a few months.  The masonic mafia needed some time to re-group and think up some more ways to spin the story in the hope of fooling the public.  Well they can’t pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. 

Their never ending layer upon layer of ugly lies is unravelling for everyone to see just how vile and contemptuous the masonic controlled HDJ lot really are. No doubt HDJ will use the fact that some information is withheld to back up their claim of a cover up. 

However it is clearly explained in the FOI replies why certain information cannot be disclosed: “Efficient and Effective Conduct of the Force: To disclose specific details of how an investigation is carried out, could hamper the Force’s ability to conduct such inquiries in the future, as it would be known exactly what types of enquiries would be made to establish whether any criminality was involved.

Flow of information to the Force:  If we disclosed details of witnesses in a specific inquiry, this could prevent others from coming forward with information in the future, for fear of their names being released into the public domain.  This would harm the Force’s ability to fully investigate sudden deaths and possibly other types of incidents.”

 

Notice that the HDJ gang have a habit of trying to connect the fictional HG story with other events concerning other people which may or may not be true.  Robert Green Plant also loves to make connections where there are none.

He constantly tries to give credibility to the HG story by bamboozling the unsuspecting public with connections to totally unrelated MSM news stories, such as the Italian lady who had her baby forcibly removed by UK social services and given up for adoption, Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith, Elm Guest House … In their July 18th 2013 post
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/the-time-for-action-draws-ever-nearer/
they’re trying to kid us that all will be revealed during the coming litigation.

This translates to they’re buying time to avoid having to produce the evidence which they haven’t got.  They’re saying they’re keeping their evidence for court … knowing full well that it’ll never get to court!  Cheeky f…ckers.

They write: “our investigators have been beavering away collating the vast swathes of evidence that will form the basis of the coming litigation” and “It will not be too long before the real storm begins, and when it does you can read all about it officially through the pre-prepared Court Reporter pages…”   Oh puleeeeeeeease.

Someone pass me the sick bucket.   Is anyone buying this shill shite?

Seriously who do this evil lot think they’re kidding?

As for the transcripts of Hollie’s police interviews, something I heard here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvzo2iYvjKg [around 46 mins]
arouses my curiousity.

The ‘Hoax’ group were sent documents ‘recently’ [December 2012] from someone anonymous.  One of the documents has been confirmed by the police to be genuine.

Presumably that document is the transcript of Hollie’s police interview[s] because the question asked of the police by the ‘Hoax’ group was, “Did Hollie’s interview name these people?”  If that is the case I wIll not be surprised if said document turns out to be not genuine.

I will explain why.  I find it very difficult to believe Hollie did/could name all those 31people that she is alleged to have said abused her.  There is absolutely no evidence that she is capable of doing so.  I would not be at all surprised if this document has been written by high up police masons who are in on the Hollie Greig storyline.  [I have first-hand experience of police corruption and, YES, they do write fraudulent reports.]

One thing I could bet my life on, the tape recording[s] of Hollie’s police interview[s] will never see the light of day.  Why?  Because I do not believe it/they exist[s].  We should ask questions, such as why have these documents appeared as late as December 2012?  i.e. after the HG story had been debunked and growing numbers of people began questioning it.

Who, apart from Anne Greig and Robert Green, is able to access such documents?

Why would someone want to send them to the ‘Hoax’ group?  The probable answer to the last question is to make them, and all of us, believe that Hollie did actually say all the things that is being alleged.  Or it is possible that Mr ‘Anon’ is hoping these documents will come into the public domain so that AG, Robert Green Plant and his brother shills can then declare that said documents are not genuine.

They could point out that the police transcript[s] has/have been doctored, that they know this because it/they differ[s] to the tape recording [just as Green claims happened re Sylvester Cadger and the police and crown office transcripts and tape recording].

The recording[s] will never come to light due to some bullshit excuse.  They’ll then smugly tell us that this proves their assertions of police corruption in the HG case!!!  All more muddying of the waters …  This is why I’m curious as to why these documents appeared when they did.

Maybe I’m looking too deeply into all this, but having a great deal of experience of how freemasonry works, and how clever the slick pretenders are at covering their tracks, this scenario is quite feasible.

I could be wrong; but the Hollie Greig story is a sophisticated hoax and there is more to it than people realise.  You just need to observe how fiercely the ‘big gun’ shills and forum trolls protect it to see that.

For more examples of phoney telephone transcripts, listen to the Historian David Irving discussing their use as a pretext for war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=158W1n7rGlA [20 mins on.]

Further scrutiny of the PCCS report reveals more evidence which diminish further AG’s credibility and expose her as the liar, not the police.  She does not produce any evidence to show otherwise.

According to Jim Martin she is “unable to recall in her statement specific dates and names.”  She does not get her facts correct.  For example, see p 24, AG had provided a chart showing her perceived connections between the alleged abusers.

She states that Detective Sergeant F had contact with Person U – a former carer – in a pantomine and lived in the same area as her.  Person U states that she had never met Det Serg F and that whilst she had never been in panto with him, she was in panto with an ex-police officer.

Supt J noted that Det Serg F did not live in the same area as person U. Anne Greig blatantly lies – see p12 where she complains that the charge against Greg [re an alleged indecent act in his car] was prevented from going to court due to police inaction/error/collusion and Denis’ influence.

It is on public record that it did go to court – 3 times – and Greg pled guilty.

Also AG complained that she believed Mr G [previously Detective Sergeant G] had been involved in the case.  Superintendent J confirmed that Mr G did not feature anywhere in the case. AG makes numerous allegations and complaints, but doesn’t back up anything she says with evidence and she doesn’t prove that the police or any other authority are corrupt.

Why doesn’t she request official reports/statements from various depts e.g the Police, Child Protection Unit, Social Services etc in an effort to PROVE that she tells the truth and that it is the police etc who are the liars???  E.g p16 of the PCCS report AG says [in her statement of complaint taken on 23/3/06] that no arrangements were made to bring Hollie back for a medical exam or to re-interview her.

Supt J stated in the Subject Report that information provided by Detective Constable E, supported by her reports and several witness statements, confirm that further arrangements were made to re-examine and re-interview Hollie regarding issues raised on 25/8/2000.

If AG is telling the truth, then the Subject Report and witness statements must contain lies, why doesn’t AG request these documents and publish them???

The evidence shows that the police are not the liars, AG is.  P17 Deputy Chief Constable Y stated to AG in his letter dated 9th May 2007 that evidence indicated that arrangements were made for AG and Hollie to attend on 28/8/2000.

A different Appropriate Adult [AG did not like the previous ‘Appropriate Adult’ Ms N a Social Worker who AG said was incompetent – p8] recalled being asked by the force to attend on 28/8/2000.  AG did not attend.

Detective Constable E and detective Sergeant G visited AG’s home but she refused to answer the door [p9]. On p21 of the PCCS report evidence again suggests that AG lies, not the police.  She complains that Mr G, a member of Grampian Police Support Staff, said words to the effect that “mentally handicapped people ‘fiddled with each other and fiddled with themselves’.”

He says in his statement of 20th June 2006 that he is confident he would not use such words.  Aide Memoir notes, obtained from the panel members at the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority Hearing by Supt J stated that the notes corroborated Mr G’s account and that the notes contain no comments in relation to people with learning difficulties.

There is no evidence of corruption in the police in the case of Hollie Greig.  It is evident the police did do their jobs properly [albeit there was a need for more “rigorous and accountable recording of information”] and that the police investigation of police officers was also done thoroughly; in fact Superintendent J [who “appears to have conducted a full and robust enquiry” p32 of the PCCS report] went further and conducted an enquiry into other matters which AG had not raised in her complaints against the police.

Neither is there any evidence of corruption on the part of the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland, Jim Martin.  If the above is not true, where is the evidence that suggests otherwise? There is no evidence of any corruption/cover up within the Establishment regarding Hollie Greig.

Fact. A final note about Brian Gerrish, he states, “The Scottish police have admitted there was no investigation and corrupt courts have been used to imprison Robert Green.”  I asked him to send me the proof – a copy of the police letter or other police documentation …  Not surprisingly there is none.

BG says the answer is to get it into court, RG did have an opportunity to get the case into the Scottish Courts [back in 2010].  Why didn’t he?  Why doesn’t he take out a private prosecution?  It costs nothing.

Chris Jarvis explains how to, here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nXDLyB2g4 [around 59 mins] and he offers assistance.

Ian McFerran, Campaign member of ‘Justice for Hollie Greig’ and ‘Free Robert Green’ deserves another mention.  He is almost certainly a high level freemason, on a par with Gerrish.

You just have to take a look at the phony letters he writes here
http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/i-question-your-impartiality-sir/
where he’s questioning Sherriff Bowen’s connection to freemasonry, to figure that out.

I smiled sardonically when I stumbled upon and read such shite as, “You Sherriff Bowen have used your Masonic influence to pervert the course of justice by denying Robert Green his ‘Human Right’ to an open and fair trial” and “I openly accuse you Sherriff Bowen of being a ‘corrupt’ Freemason.”

Who does this clown think he’s kidding?  They’re all in it together – slick bullshit artists.  McFerran and his ilk can only get away with their deceit and dirty trickery because of their allegiance to their puppet masters and protectors in the Craft.  It is high time these foolish men realised that freemasonry will not protect them forever.

Neither BG nor anyone else I wrote to in the ‘alternative media’ would interview the ‘Hoax’ team and no-one wanted the HDJ and the HGH teams to debate the issues. Take a look here
http://mckenzie-friends.co.uk/2013/11/17/belindas-battle-news-paedophilia-uk-here-we-come-big-time/  at Sabine McNeill’s November 2013 blog.

Warning, you’ll need your puke bucket at the ready. If your stomach can take any more, take a look at the slimy toerag Robert Green’s blogs http://robertgreensblog-holliegreigcampaign.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00Z&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=50
where he spews out more of the same shite – a shameless avalanche of naked lies and concoctions.

What a creep.

He, just like Gerrish and all the other Satan-serving lying disgusting fragments of faeces who make up the ‘controlled opposition’ should be thrown to the public to face frightening and painful public humiliation. Here
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/blog/index.php?id=i5ue7292
the Hoax group summarise and tear to shreds the ‘evidence’ RG uses to support his claims.  Incidentally the Hoax group believe RG is a mere victim of the hoax – if only it was that simple.  It isn’t; it’s far more sinister.

RG, Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, Gerrish et al are all very well paid loyal establishment [masonic] agents.  Hence why they’re protected and can continue this scam.

Why is BM not languishing in jail for funding terrorism or money laundering?

Instead she is now the head of the Association for Charities.  What a joke, when she was investigated by the UK Charities Commission and found to have been money laundering a sum of £5 million which she could not account for but which had passed through her account.  £75 million pounds was collected in Britain for Iran aid, but the money did not reach orphans or regugees.

Belinda illegally destroyed the accounts.  More details here
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/the-real—belinda-mckenzie.html
and here
http://robertgreenandthemissingpieces.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/nothing-to-hide-belinda.html

The corruption [all masonic] is many layered and mind blowing. Brian Gerrish informed me that £750,000 of the public’s money has been spent on this scandalous charade thus far.  The breathtakingly impudent HDJ gang want to spend more of our money – on a public enquiry.

The Green plant is trying to convince the public of a cover up.  Belinda McKenzie and collaborators ask “why the cover up if it’s a hoax?”  Such absurdity.

There was/is no cover up as there was/is nothing to cover up!  There is no need for an enquiry since no crime has been committed.  Well, not in the sense of a paedophile ring and the rape of Hollie Greig; the criminals are in fact the HDJ paedo protecting gangsters and anyone in connection with or promoting this spectacle and the only rape is that which is of the public purse.

In short the real criminals are the masonic ‘Hollie’s Army’ mafia and their lickspittle lackeys. The Scottish Establishment are under no obligation to respond to Robert Green or to any of Green’s HDJ co-collaborators.  They should look upon him and his friends as arrogant fools.

If the Scottish government are not beholden to freemasonry or any other shadow government they would do society a favour and lock up all of ‘Hollie’s army’ and associated shills/trolls/other NWO gatekeepers in a mental institution and throw away the key.

In my humble opinion however all the high ups in the Scottish establishment i.e the Masonic hierarchy are almost certainly in on the Hollie story, but not in the sense of a cover up of a paedophile ring and sexual crimes against HG as the HDJ mega disinfo merchants are trying to fool the public with.  There is overwhelming evidence that the HG story is an elaborate LIE.  Anyone with an ounce of moral fibre and especially those politicians who are supposed to be the people’s voice i.e the MPs [excuse me while I just throw up again] would be exposing the Hollie Hoax for what it is and they would reprimand all those people in the alternative media who support and promote it.  NO MP has exposed this scam.  They are all spineless, dishonest, pathetic vermin.  All of them willing to continue the pretence, happy in sweet servitude to their masonic rulers.  Actors, all of them, and getting paid big bucks from our hard earned taxes for dutifully toeing the line.  Cowardly scum.  All of them guilty of misappropriating public funds. Take a look at Green’s 14/8/13 blog re MPs.  Andrew George MP (Lib Dem) states “There seems to be a lot of evidence and allegations which point in one direction and indicate that this whole case deserves a thorough review – both in relation to Hollie`s father and many of the professionals with whom Hollie came into contact who have allegedly failed in their duties or even covered up important facts”.  David Ruffley MP, Government Minister (Conservative) says “The case of Hollie Greig is appalling. It seems that the Crown Office has concluded that there is insufficient evidence to bring proceedings.But why then has Hollie received compensation from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority?”  David Ward MP (Lib Dem) , mentions the comments of Andrew George, adding that Hollie had made allegations against a senior police officer (deceased) and a serving sheriff. He goes on to say that “Medical evidence can be sufficient to secure a conviction but the authorities must have the resolve to pursue these cases. Police forces must treat rape more seriously and be prepared to bring charges even without a formal complaint by the victim”.  John Hemming MP (Lib Dem) , discussing Green’s imprisonment over Hollie`s case states that “I would personally like to see the establishment of a parliamentary committee to look at a number of murky cases of which Hollie`s (and yours) is one.”  Nigel Farage, leader of UKIP, refers to the case as “strange and highly suspicious”, going on to reiterate his support for Green in the General Election for Green’s “remarkable and principled stand”.  NAUSEATING.   The onion of corruption is mind-blowing and a scandalous theft of the public purse.  Sabine offers help to her MP Lynne Featherstone who she says is “already challenging Children’s Services in this Borough…”  Lynne Featherstone would be wise to visit this site if she is seeking any truth in this area and wants any help. In his November 2013 blog Green gives his thanks to The People`s Voice (TPV) for inviting him to be interviewed by Sonia Poulton.  She is a Daily Mail columnist, works for David Icke and is friends with the Outlaw Jimmy Jones [more on him on my ‘War On Shills’].  The following links are worth a read.  Please note, just so’s you know, I do not endorse Tom Pride [see my W-O-S] however these posts and the comments are quite an eye opener.  See the Hollie Hoax’s ‘ reply to Sonia Polulton’s interview with Robert Green on The People’s Voice’ http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/video-s.html  At around 77 mins RG talks about his wonderful MPs.  At around 23 mins Sonia says she had invited onto her show the anti-campaigners who are the Hoax group.  Bare faced lying b….  They got no such invitation.  They had to approach her and ask for a right of reply.  She apparently agreed, only to then backtrack due to an alleged complaint from Ofcom.  Yeah right.  The bloody masons blocked it.  When you are a victim of freemasonry you are very familiar with the sneaky ways in which they operate.  Form your own opinion on Sonia Poulton.  I’ve already formed mine – she’s just another nasty piece of work – a sneaky lying paedo protector – and TPV are just another filthy shill propaganda radio/TV station.  Here are the links: Here http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/court-crime/danny_o_shea_trial_suspected_mob_organiser_not_violent_court_hears_1_2023543 Sonia is defending the suspects in the murder trial of a teen boy. Earthlinggb has cottoned on to the fact that “This alternative media is a bigger joke than the mainstream!”  He questions Sonia Poulton’s journalistic integrity in connection with Icke and Savile here http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/tag/sonia-poulton/ http://tompride.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/this-is-what-you-get-when-you-dare-to-question-a-tabloid-journalist-in-the-uk/ http://tompride.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/how-i-got-caught-up-in-a-cyberwar-over-victims-of-child-sexual-abuse/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/the-trolling-of-tom-pride-reblog/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/in-adeybobs-own-words/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/sue-me-an-open-response-to-the-lupethelupe-blog/ http://kevingreen1950.wordpress.com/teamoutlaw/ Yet another disgusting paedo protecting site which I had the misfortune to stumble upon here http://holliegreig.info/2012/01/trial-day-4-a-day-with-grampian-police/ revealed more about Chris Spivey.  On the ‘recent’ comments section are links to Spiv’s site: ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on MP challenges Scottish Government over lack of prosecutions in Hollie Greig case ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on Angiolini challenged over paedophile ring activity involving serving Sheriff ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on Trial Day 5: Last Day of the Prosecution ”  Chris Spivey ” Blog Archive ” Dame Elish Angiolini: From Hollie Grieg to Dunblane on 93% say Angiolini should say who paid legal bill.   However when I clicked on, I got the message “404 page not found”.  Well, well, wonder what Spivey is trying to hide!  I have now copy/pasted his 10th August 2013 post here just in case he removes it.  The irony is that in that post he is exposing parliamentary paedophiles.  Such hypocrisy!  Chris Spivey, famous name in the conspiraworld is himself another porky pie telling PAEDOPHILE PROTECTOR, along with all the other foul paedo protectors – Icke, Gerrish, Baloney …  It is easy to see how we genuine speakers of truth are getting no-where in our efforts to expose corruption and the NWO agenda and to make the world a better place despite all the seemingly massive exposure of the truth from the so-called ‘alternative media’.

 

 

As for removing posts, Hollie’s ‘army’ are famous for this.  When forced to change their story they remove their videos, blogs etc.   If you listen to the videos put out by the H Hoax people you will see that HDJ have a habit of removing evidence that expose their lies. On another page of the S.C.U.M [appropriately named!] filthy shill site   http://holliegreig.info/2012/01/trial-day-5-last-day-of-the-prosecution/comment-page-1/#comment-21206 the following is stated: “We will quote directly from Dr Harding’s report: “When asked if anyone else had ever touched her she immediately said Sylvia. She explained that Sylvia was her father’s cousin. Surprised at this, I asked her how Sylvia had touched her. She clasped her own breast… She also mentioned other people such as Sylvia’s husband who is a policeman”. At the end of her report Dr Harding confirmed her belief that Hollie had been systematically sexually abused by her father and brother “and probably by others who had access to her.” This quite clearly included the Majors.”  Listen to the usual garbage that comes out of RG’s filthy mouth on the Hoax video re Sonia Poulton [around 41 mins] http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/video-s.html   Something tells me we’ll never see Dr Harding’s report!  Remember The Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland Jim Martin states in his PCCS report [p23] that Superintendent J noted in the Subject Report that the psychologist reports were not acted upon in the sense that they did not prompt any further enquiry. The internet is awash with an ever increasing parade of Illuminati puppets promoting the HG story.  They just keep on popping up out of nowhere, brazenly making things up!  The ruling elite must be soiling their pants since they are having to employ a never ending line of soulless, spineless, immoral stooges to try and suppress the truth. I think it is safe to conclude that anyone who supports the Hollie Greig story is a low-life lying paedo-loving individual who needs to be publicly named and shamed. Wyn says she has called the police many times to report the actions of the people publicly naming her, leafleting her street and others, harassing her friends etc, but nothing comes of it because according to the police these people haven’t done anything criminal.  WHAT???  Oh yes they have.  They’ve committed numerous crimes.  Incitement to hatred is one crime.  Defaming is another.  Plundering the public purse is another… And what about the crimes against Hollie Greig?  Her mother Anne Greig is guilty of the crime of domestic violence/child abuse against Hollie.  [In the eyes of the court Hollie is still considered to be a child].  Anne Greig and her henchmen and women are guilty of the crime of exploitation of Hollie.  As for the crimes of the State, there is the usual corruption within all the authorities and judiciary.  Social Services managers are guilty of dereliction of duty in their failure to protect Hollie from her deranged and abusive mother and place her somewhere safe with someone who loves her and will look after her.  Her brother Greg maybe?  They should have used the emergency powers available to them to step in immediately and remove Hollie to safety.  The police also should have assisted SS.  Not only have they failed to protect Hollie, they have failed to protect 22+ innocent people who have been completely wrongly accused of the most heinous of crimes and who suffer constant bullying at the hands of a gang of psychopaths masquerading as Hollie Greig’s protectors.  The police and CPS have enough evidence to arrest, charge and convict Anne Greig, Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, Ian McFerran, Brian Gerrish and all the bloody rest of them.  If Wyn or any of the other falsely accused do suffer vigilante justice, the police will be guilty of misconduct in public office.  See the case of Bijan Ebrahimi  http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/28/vigilante-lee-james-life-murdering-bijan-ebrahimi People reading this will know that the real reason nothing is done is because the Hollie Greig story is all one mega-massive masonic scam.  People are slowly waking up to that fact.  Now, if the likes of Sheriff Bowen and all the other professional people involved in this, no matter what rank they are – all the police officers, social workers, fire officers, court staff, Craiginches prison staff … if they could just take their professional hats off for a minute and become human beings with conscience, they could help us quicken this full awakening by helping us expose the full truth surrounding the HG story and the real criminals involved. We can actually thank the shills for one thing, they are doing a brilliant job awakening the sheople to some degree.  Now all we have to do is get their listeners to listen to us – the 100% truth tellers.  I myself was stuck in half-truther land for years; it was Hollie Greig and the drama surrounding her that snapped me out of that!  We have much to thank Hollie Greig for. Wyn says they have looked into suing Anne but were told it would cost thousands.  Please will someone give Wyn and Sylvia the money they need, not just to sue Anne, but all the low-life scum of the earth who surround her too.  If someone on the Hoax team wants to start some fund raising, I will gladly donate. Finally I believe the Hoax group when they say their site was taken down due to a complaint to their hosting company.  The masons will have been behind that; as was the case when my site was pulled.  I don’t believe the HDJ group when they say [2/5/13] that the same happened to them due to “anonymous allegations of defamation”.  What a crock of shit. At least 22 totally innocent people have been accused of the vile crime of paedophilia.  Some of them have been named.  Their lives are now in grave danger.  Every day they face the possibility of vigilante justice from well-meaning but duped individuals.  Shame on you Anne Greig, Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, Brian Gerrish, Ian McFerran, David Icke, Ian R Crane, Bill Maloney and all the rest of you – far too many to name – filthy paedophile protecting evil criminal agents of the State.  I hope you get your just deserts soon.  Every one of you is a pathetic excuse of a human being and you all deserve to rot in hell. But it’s still not too late.

Find Jesus, fess up and save your souls.

Do it now though, before it’s too late.

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Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/12/2013

Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?
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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

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‘The People’s Voice’ not so much for the people 

tpvspIn her programme, ‘Sonia Poulton – Live’ on ‘The People’s Voice’ channel, she recently had a guest by the name of Robert Green who spoke about an alleged abuse case in Scotland concerning a woman with Down’s syndrome called Hollie Greig.

Up until I watched the show I knew little of the accusations, only that someone alleged that there was a paedophile ring operating in Aberdeen which allegedly involved prominent members of the community, including police, the local sheriff, social services, medical staff, and others.

Watching the programme, I noticed there seemed to be a lot of inconsistencies in what Green was saying, and he didn’t give any real evidence of his claims. Something just didn’t seem right about the overall feel of the programme, so I started to take a look on the internet to try and find a little more information.

Surprisingly, most of what I found was repetition of the same story Green had relayed on the programme, even some of the same inconsistencies. A closer look revealed that most of the information was not based on any evidence whatsoever, and some of the connections made in the case on various websites were so tenuous I could not understand how an experienced journalist could not have had some serious doubts about the case, or asked Green some very hard questions.

After all, according to the promotional material of the streaming channel it is supposed to be unbiased, give all sides a right to their say, and ask the ‘hard questions’. It seems that all of those admirable journalistic claims did not apply to this episode.

I am not going to go into detail about the case, and all I can say is look for yourself. There is far more REAL evidence to cast serious doubt on Green’s account of the story than there is REAL evidence to back up Green’s claims – it is a total sham as far as I can see.

As I was looking around, I thought I would have a look at Sonia Poulton’s Twitter feed – and there was revealed just how bias the report on her programme was.

The Twitter conversation (or whatever it is called) involved Sonia Poulton and a user called ‘Hollie Greig Hoax’ who are apparently some of the people accused by Green of being involved in the allegations of a paedophile ring.

It was certainly an interesting read. Apparently, Sonia Poulton has refused to allow the accused to reply! It sounds more like the a modern case of the Pendle Witches than fair reporting and allowing all sides to have their say. She also stated that Green has ‘incredible evidence’ – now does that mean ‘unbelievable’ and difficult to believe, or does it mean ‘marvellous’ – look up the definition .

A little further digging revealed more about how Sonia Poulton treated the ‘accused’ in this case. Apparently, after Sonia Poulton refused to engage any further in the Twitter ‘conversation’, the ‘accused’ sent her a Skype request – which she also refused. If that were not enough, apparently Sonia Poulton hung-up when she was telephoned to discuss the report and the ‘accused’ right to appear on her programme. You can read about it on the Hollie Greig Hoax website.

When I started to look into Green a little bit further, it seems he has been warned many times to stop spreading his defamatory claims, even being imprisoned for his behaviour during which he sent letters to neighbours of the 22 people he accused of being involved stating they were paedophiles. The reason he has been warned is that he has NO evidence to make such claims! Incredible that he just doesn’t get the message, and even MORE incredible that supposed journalists don’t check their information before broadcasting Green’s claims.

It seems Green only likes journalists who will buy-in to his lies.

Green approached respected BBC investigative journalist Mark Daly, who has been involved in many of the biggest journalistic exposures of corruption and child abuse in the UK.

According to Green, a programme was commissioned by the BBC and was ‘pulled’ during the last week of production. This is yet another blatant lie by Green. After looking at Green’s version of events and the so-called ‘evidence’ he gave the reporter, the BBC decided they were not interested.

In a reply to Green, Mark Daly stated “I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

There is an interesting interview with Mark Daly about Green and his claims on YouTube.

So why on earth would Sonia Poulton think that anything Robert Green had to say in his accusations was true without checking first. This man has a long history of being unreliable at the very least.

‘The People’s Voice’? I don’t think so – more like a ‘channel’ to support ridiculous and tenuous conspiracy theories bandied about by anyone.

I had though (and hoped) that ‘The People’s Voice’ was capable of delivering what it said it could, but obviously it can’t.

The programming seems to be rapidly turning into a minority channel for followers of Icke and the usual conspiracy brigade, rather than a credible source of reliable and unbiased information. It is a shame, because there are some subjects that do warrant our attention, but are mixed in with other ‘stuff’.

Mainstream media is certainly not perfect and seems biased. But at least there may be a semblance of reliable information that you can make your own mind up about through intelligent analysis and research. I can only describe ‘The People’s Voice’ as an alternative version of the same but with more sensationalism and misdirection. Perhaps that’s why some of Icke’s celebrity chums didn’t get together and finance it.

I certainly won’t be watching. I did donate in the foolish belief that this was going to be something that was really worthwhile supporting – I have since cancelled. I would rather give my cash to people I meet who deserve it rather than fund this amateurish propaganda machine.

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Obviously, based on factual information and provable evidence YOU must believe what you wish but without admissible evidence that Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused or any legitimate evidence that her uncle Roy Greig died in anything other than tragic circumstances committing suicide whilst drunk and under suspension from his job as subject of a police inquiry then may I suggest you do all you can to expose the lies of Robert Green, David Icke, Brian Gerrish, Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, Anne Greig and the claque of criminal fools aiding them.

I freely concede I was amongst those who were fooled by the lies and not only apologised but have done as much as I can to expose those lies ever since it became clear to me that no sound evidence has ever been produced to indicate Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused nor that Roy Greig did not commit suicide.

When Robert Green & Stuart Usher printed and distributed a list of those they swore were perpetrators and victims of child abuse I misguidedly published the list on the web log which I set up and maintained for Anne Greig at the time.

I u7nreservedly apologise for my gullibility at the time and have published my apology alongside the list ever since to ensure there is absolutely no doubt that the list is a total fabrication by Anne Greig & Robert Green as published and distributed by Robert Green & Stuart Usher.

Sonia Poulton has claimed she has seen incredible evidence in support of Robert Green’s stories – I believe it is incumbent on her to publish the evidence or disambiguate the term ‘incredible’ and admit it was not credible and that she was duped, as was I, she has a duty to expose the lies and apologise for her part in promoting them.

As I have done.
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