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More Facts + A 3rd. Party Informed View Of The Hollie Greig Scam

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/02/2015

More Facts + A 3rd. Party Informed View Of The Hollie Greig Scam

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This site was first posted on, on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I believe it is apposite some 5 years after the irrefutable fact that the claims of Anne Mackie (nee Greig) and Robert Green her supporter that Anne’s daughter Hollie Greig had been sexually abused by a long list of men and women, including family, police and members of the Judiciary in Scotland, were utterly without substance, plausible or admissible evidence or any measure of corroboration, it is time to revisit one of the best 3rd. party comments on the subject.

The list of names, which they provided, was in written form and was distributed at a public meeting in Edinburgh that had been organised for them by Stuart Usher; a list which subsequently I misguidedly published for them on the internet, based upon the lies of Anne & Robert supported by Stuart Usher.

I do believe this excellent article by Anna Raccoon is worth revisiting and distributing as a means by which to further debunk the criminal exploitation of the unfortunate Hollie Greig who fortunately would seem to lack the intellectual capacity to understand the evil being promoted regarding her by numerous scoundrels and also the plain batty!

I trust this will give a greater understanding to those seeking the truth, based upon facts! My thanks to Anna Raccoon for the clarity of her article the facts contained therein would seem to tally with my understanding of the exploitation of Hollie Greig.

 

The only real abuse meted out on Hollie Greig would seem to be that which her own Mother has invented and widely promoted with her abiding allie Robert green and the likes of Brian Gerrish, David Icke, Belinda McKenzie and a host of other low lifes together with the batty and the gullible.

 

The sole saving grace being that Hollie clearly lacks the intellect to understand what is being done in her exploitation and the numerous perverts who are most gleefully following the discusion of her alleged abuse and intimate medical details for their own sexual gratification – not to mention vituperative fantasists like Matt Quinn who weave their fantasies and fictions to act as guru to the gormless no doubt deriving feelings of power and authority from their perversions as they all make the world a safer place for the paedophiles and perverts they pretend to denounce.

 

A safer place for paedophiles and perverts because decent folk who might well strive to expose such vile crimes are frightened off by what they see from the liars, rogues and rascals who so eagerly follow such cases and berate anyone so resolutely who dares to expose the actual crimes.

 

Few have either the confidence or the luxury to be able to shrug off the lies that inadequates like Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, David Icke, Brian Gerrish and their odious ilk are wont to weave to satiate their desire for profit and/or notoriety amongst their simple minded followers.

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Here is Anna RACCOON’s Excellent Summary of Hollie Greig scam, together with many questions, comments and answers:.

Robert Green – Hollie Greig

by Anna Raccoon on May 31, 2010

I apologise for the length of this piece. There are a lot of facts to be laid out.

I would also ask before you tell me that I have left this or that fact out that you refer to my original blog post on the subject – I have tried not to repeat myself here.

Comments will be open, especially if you have factual evidence to bring forward. If you come here just to hiss and spit, and treat me to some of the vile and venal abuse that has been bandied around in this case – unless it is especially witty or has some intrinsic merit, it will be deleted.

I have written before on the subject of Robert Green and his ‘campaign’ on behalf of a young female sufferer of Down’s syndrome who, he maintains, was the subject of a vicious and sustained series of rapes by both men and women.

What interests me about this particular case is the fundamental mismatch between, on one hand, the passionate campaign that has raged on Face-book and, on the other, the embarrassingly sparse ‘evidence’ on which it was based.

It has taken me some time to peel away the layers of ‘internet truth’ and to arrive at the essential facts, such as they are, that do exist.

Anne, the girl’s Mother, originally contacted two men to publicise her story. ALL the information that is on the Internet, ALL the firmly held beliefs, ALL the ‘alleged’ evidence, was given to those two men, and emerged into the world via the various means THEY took to publicise the case.

Neither of them was Robert Green. He came into the story later.

Let us take Stuart Usher first. Stuart, a part time Hot Dog salesman runs an organisation called Scotland against Crooked Lawyers and has done for some 10 years or so. It has a website www.sacl.org

Stuart has ‘named and shamed’ some 140 lawyers and judges based in Scotland on his web site regarding a variety of alleged offences, including paedophilia, who, in his opinion, are ‘crooked’. He cites, with great pride, that none of them have ever thought to sue him. Whether this is because his accusations are accurate and they are hanging their head in shame, or because they felt that giving more publicity to wild accusations whilst suing a Hot Dog salesman was possibly counter productive is a matter of opinion.

Still, Stuart Usher was a first hand confident of Anne, the girl’s Mother, and presumably had access to concrete evidence of her claims. Unfortunately, Stuart has decided to withdraw from the case ‘to spend more time with his family’ – as you will find, we end up with a list of people who were ‘in at the beginning’ who have mysteriously melted away.

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Stuart Usher to Paul Drockton

Paul
I have had increased pressure from my family recently with regard to my efforts to help other people. In a nutshell they feel the time has come for me to divert my efforts to support them instead. I have agreed to this as they have suffered badly over the years and I now feel the time has come for me to concentrate my efforts on them.

 

Mr Usher did not disappear before recording a radio interview which is available on the Internet.

You require patience and dedication to listen to it all the way through. The amateur ‘disc jockey’ suffers interminable technical problems for the first half hour, and after three quarters of an hour of attempting to make sense of Mr Usher’s words, the disc jockey returns to playing some excruciating hard rock…..I nearly lost the will to live, but I was determined to learn at first hand precisely what the claims were.

Mr Usher would tell you that Anne’s daughter was repeatedly raped at the ‘house of Sheriff B’s sister, Evelyn’. This is casualty number one in the search for truth. Sheriff B simply does not have a sister Evelyn. He may well have a dog called Evelyn, a cat even, but no sister.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Mr Usher would also tell you that Anne and her daughter were forced to ‘flee Scotland’ following the ‘murder’ of her brother Roy. Roy had apparently been ‘repeatedly battered over the head with an axe handle’ before being pushed into a car which was set alight in an arson attack.

Now one of the claims which circulates on the Internet is that this unfortunate death was ‘hushed up’ by the authorities, and described as ‘suicide’ when it was murder – the implication is usually that Roy was murdered as a direct result of Anne having laid information with the police a few days earlier. I have repeatedly been told that it was never investigated. Not true.

Whatever the Police investigation amounted to, there was an in depth investigation by an experienced journalist. One Mark Daly of the BBC. Mark Daly is the journalist who according to Robert Green was ‘bullied by his bosses’ into dropping a proposed documentary about the case. This version alternates with one which says that he was silenced by a ‘D’ notice. Mark spoke out on the Face Book group.

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.”
“After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.”

You can hear Mark Daly answering his critics here.

Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg. There the evidence that Roy had been ‘repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle’ so frequently cited, melts away to become a ‘contusion’ on his head. Contusion being the medical term for a common or garden bruise. The ‘broken ribs’ may well owe more to the strenuous efforts – efforts which earned him a medal from the Royal Humane Society – of a passing oil rig worker who pulled Roy Grieg from his car during a filthy storm and in the middle of the night and gave him CPR in an effort to save his life.

Mark Daly had also uncovered something which directly contradicted Anne’s claim that there could be no truth in the Coroner’s verdict that her brother committed suicide – for he had ‘no reason to commit suicide’. Daly discovered that Roy Greig had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing. He had recently travelled to Glasgow to obtain legal assistance in respect of these matters from his union.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

 

Two witnesses down, but fear not. We have more. Next up is Greg Lance-Watkins. Lance-Watkins has spent some 30 years campaigning on behalf of abused children. He runs an ‘enabling’ web site, which helps those children to have their own web site and tell their story under the umbrella of his main web site. Anne approached him and asked him to publicise her daughter’s story. She explained that she had no internet skills and it was agreed that he would operate the http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com and write it as though it was Hollie telling her own story. Those who claim that Hollie is a competent witness for any trial, and cite as evidence the fact that she ‘willingly’ tells her ‘own’ story on her ‘own’ web site, please take note. Mr Lance-Watkins freely admits that the words are his, using information coming from Hollie’s Mother. In his lay opinion, Hollie has a mental age of under 10.

Lance-Watkins has been in this ‘business’ for many years, and he has had some success at obtaining justice for abused children. He is, like Mark Daly, the journalist, fully aware of the necessity for concrete evidence and strongly advised Anne not to court publicity until such time as they had gathered whatever documentary evidence they could. He was assured it would be forthcoming and was available.

Eventually he managed to gain sight of the autopsy report which was cited as evidence that Anne’s brother had been wickedly battered about the head and murdered. He was slightly non plussed to discover that this only amounted to a ‘contusion’ and even more non plussed to learn of the evidence regarding a possible crime in Roy’s workplace, despite having repeatedly pressed Anne for possible reasons for Roy’s suicide.

Then he pressed Anne for the mysterious medical evidence that showed how Hollie had been brutally anally and vaginally raped for 10 years by this paedophile ring. She finally gave him this document.

It is difficult to read, it is a scanned version of a very bad folded photocopy. With diligence and Photoshop’s enlargement facilities, it is possible however.

Hollie was born at the end of 1979 and here we have a Doctor informing another Doctor that at some time prior to 1992 (the date of the letter) Hollie’s parents had jointly enquired as to the need for contraception for their daughter. It was alleged that Hollie had been making sexual overtures to other children within her special needs facility.

I do not propose to further discuss Hollie’s medical affairs; she is entitled to a darn sight more privacy than she has received so far. Suffice it to say, that those who rest their case that Hollie was ‘sexually abused’ in any form on the supposed ‘medical evidence’, would be well advised to read carefully this letter that Anne Greig claims is the evidence. You will not find one iota of evidence from the Doctor who had intimately examined her that this was so. What you will find is that at one point in her life, Hollie had suffered from a minor yet common ailment which can be transmitted sexually – though that is by no means the only way in which you can acquire it.

One could put this paucity of substantive evidence down to yet another example of the authorities ‘covering up’ the abuse of Hollie – except that this is the very document on which Anne Greig rests her case.

Lance-Watkins now reluctantly admits that he is in the embarrassing position of having been ‘duped’ . He has not precisely joined the ranks of those who have walked away from the story, he is too much of a professional for that, however, he has retired to the sidelines and thrown out an open invitation to the thousands of members of ‘Holly’s Army’ who are fighting for ‘Justice for Hollie’ to step forward with any concrete evidence before he puts his reputation at risk any more.

Predictably he has been roundly abused by all concerned for this. The myth and fallacy that abounds on the Internet is too deeply entrenched for anyone to take cautious heed of the man who spoke for Holly ceasing to speak for Holly – it is ‘obvious’ that he is part of the conspiracy protecting these mythical government figures, either that or he has been ‘bought off’ by strange figures from MI5. The truth that he is no more prepared to put his reputation on the line without evidence than was Mark Daly is too bitter a pill for them to swallow.

 

Which leaves us with the Facebook Group. The home base of Holly’s 27,000 strong army. Or does it?

For you see Paul Phillips and his girlfriend Plum, who set up that Facebook Group and urged supporters to publicise this horrendous story so successfully – well they too have retired from the fray ‘to spend more time with their family’ – as has Tom George from ScotsVInjustice, another man with lots of experience in these cases who sadly doesn’t have a family, but still feels he can do something more with his time.

The Facebook Group was closed down, but not before some horrendous mudslinging as the original publicists of the story withdrew one by one. I have never before seen such venal and vindictive commentators.

I have come across many people over the past year whilst being heavily involved in Hollie’s case – some who are sincere and genuine people and others who have obvious ulterior motives and should really question why they became involved and whose interests they were really trying to further. I would like to state publicly here that everything stated by Pabs and Plum above is all factual and I regard them both as sincere and genuine people whose motives in Hollie’s case, like mine, were purely altruistic and their detractors should be thoroughly ashamed to have denounced them in the very malicious way they have. They are both good human beings and simply did not deserve the vilification that has spewed forth their way over recent days and weeks.

I have other very serious, sad and tragic cases I am vigorously pursuing presently against the authorities in Edinburgh and, yes, Aberdeen too and I am committed to fulfilling my obligations to the people concerned. I hope my rapidly declining health does not negate me having to pass these cases on to others to help with and I can see some kind of satisfactory resolution for the individuals concerned.

Tom
Edinburgh
ScotsVInjustice@aol.com

So far we have lost the medical evidence of horrendous sexual abuse, lost the medical evidence that Anne’s brother was murdered, lost the experienced campaigners against paedophilia that we started off with, shed several experienced journalists along the way – what are we left with?

We have Robert Green, would be journalist and broadcaster, who wishes to publicise the names of the people he says that Hollie says abused her, some of who like Sheriff B’s sister, simply don’t exist. We have Paul Drockton, broadcasting from somewhere several thousand miles away having never met any of the people involved. We have a newspaper in Palestine still prepared to print these allegations against British government figures – oh and we have a new Facebook group containing all the people who would far rather believe that there is a conspiracy here, than to face the fact that all the people who started this campaign have now faded away into the shadows – awaiting something more concrete than the wild accusations thrown around by a woman who has been tormented by grief and difficulties in life.

Fortunately, we also have the figure of Paula Morris in Hollie’s home town of Shrewsbury, a sensible Social Worker, who is currently looking into the welfare of this deeply vulnerable young woman and whether she is capable of making an informed decision as to whether she should be paraded on radio and Internet as the poster girl for the hysterical Hollie’s Army.

There is considerable sexual abuse of young women (and men) with Down’s syndrome. It is an entrenched problem. It is invariably carried out by those who have easy access to these young people. Fathers, brothers, uncles, both real and phoney, bus drivers, care attendants. In some rare cases, and they are rare compared to the bulk of disgracefully mundane cases of sexual abuse, they will include figures from other walks of life. Yes, even Judges, and policemen.

What Hollie’s Army have succeeded in doing is gaining wide spread recognition of the apparent ‘fact’ – without any evidence – that paedophilia is part and parcel of a government conspiracy, rather than an event which is all around you every day, next door to you even. That it is a celebrity vice. That may please their desire for publicity. It does nothing for the thousands of Down’s Children who need to be protected.

Perhaps all 27,000 of Holly’s Army might care to get themselves CRB checked – those of them who are able to pass such a check, for sure there will be paedophiles amongst these groups – where else will they find constant discussions of the finer points of sexual abuse? And when they have passed their checks, they might care to volunteer to help protect these deeply vulnerable individuals. They will find it most rewarding.

Perhaps a tad boring compared to the glamour of demanding the right to libel most of the Scottish political establishment on the basis of zero evidence and wild accusations.

Tagged as: abuse, Anne Greig, hollie, mark daly, robert green, usher

Ms Raccoon lives in the Monbazillac area of South West France, renowned for its fine wines and gourmet food, so she frequently finds better things to do than sit in front of a computer all morning. She is liable to take off traveling at a moment’s notice. Consequently this blog only gets updated these days when it is raining – and it doesn’t rain very often round here…

{ 78 comments }

1 Old Holborn May 31, 2010 at 15:14

Now you’ve gone and done it

2 Joe Public May 31, 2010 at 15:49

A complex issue Anna. Smoke & Mirrors in abundance.

3 JuliaM May 31, 2010 at 15:55

Good grief, I just revisited that original thread. It sure went south after a while, didn’t it?

4 spartan_69 May 31, 2010 at 16:24

l’ve come across many conspiracy groups/individuals and found all use the ‘prove we’re wrong’ approach. ln fact it is the very soul of their existance because a conspiracy can never be ‘proved wrong’ . You cannot put forth factual evidence as this is deemed part of the conspiracy itself, the facts have been manipulated or manufactured say the conspiracy brigade.

l’m afraid that you have now become part of the conspiracy yourself in the eyes of the ’27,000′ and others. l hope you are prepared for an onslaught of abuse, for you have put yourself in their crosshairs.

l doubly hope that it never materialises though. l wish you well.

5 RantinRab May 31, 2010 at 17:06

I may have touched upon this story a while back at mines, I cannot remember.

I have been asked to publicise Hollie’s ‘case’ a few times over the past year or so. Tempting as it was to have a pop at the Scottish establishment my spider sense was tingling. I let it be.

I’m glad I did.

6 Bluebell May 31, 2010 at 17:34

Quite honestly, I don’t know enough about this to form an opinion but the link that you give is for the Saskatchewan Association of Community Living, http://www.sacl.org, and not as you state Scotland against Crooked Lawyers. In a case where there is some doubt about facts, please ensure your own are correct.

7 Anna Raccoon May 31, 2010 at 17:48

Thanks Bluebell, I shall check the link – probably my typing!

8 Anna Raccoon May 31, 2010 at 17:52

Bluebell – try this one not that it will do you any good – seems the entire web site has run for the hills…….http://www.sacl.info/

9 JuliaM June 1, 2010 at 04:55

“…seems the entire web site has run for the hills…”

That’s an encouraging sign, isn’t it?

10 Eleanor May 31, 2010 at 17:49

Well done, Anna. More people agree with you than you might think.

Whether or not the allegations have any basis in fact, is irrelevant. There is no proof. And if the abuse was as long standing and as horrific as has been suggested, then one would expect to find something, however small. Instead of which, this child is being abused by the very people who purport to protect her.

11 Garibaldi May 31, 2010 at 19:15

WORD PERFECT. Both you and GLW (along with several others) are the absolute voices of reason – do not stop using your voice Anna. Thankyou for speaking for a growing number of people who are genuinely concerned for Hollie Greig’s wellbeing. Poster Girl? She absolutely is, and it’s verging on a criminal act. Please keep going.

12 English Viking May 31, 2010 at 19:52

Anna,

Good piece, which more than highlights the absolute necessity for evidence before making these kind of accusations.

Sorry to be picky, but you use the word ‘venal’ a couple of times. Perhaps you mean ‘visceral’?

13 Anna Raccoon May 31, 2010 at 21:42

English Viking – thank-you – I meant venomous actually!

14 English Viking May 31, 2010 at 22:05

Doesn’t matter, still a good piece.

15 ruth allan May 31, 2010 at 20:51

May God forgive you for this coverup.

16 Love conquers all May 31, 2010 at 21:00

Well He obviously doesn’t lose any sleep over paedophiles.

17 Greg_L-W. May 31, 2010 at 21:06

Hi,

It is good to see another voice of reason laying out the facts in a professional and forensic manner. Sadly there is absolutely no one providing EVIDENCE in a similarly responsible manner for it seems there is none!

My phone number, my address and my eMail are freely and readily available for ANYONE to provide EVIDENCE of abuse.

In this story to date the ONLY actual EVIDENCE of abuse that has come to light has been the very clear evidence that Hollie Greig, a very very vulnerable member of our society, has been most venally and distatefully publicly exploited and abused by:

Anne Greig her Mother who would seem to be off on a toot of her own but with NO EVIDENCE

Robert Green whose actions have been crass incompetent self serving and criminal, even shamefully naming and blaming his victims as he has NO EVIDENCE

Stuart Usher, who largely due to a distinct verbal communication impediment, has promoted his private grievences and unsubstantiated accusations as with his lurid sacl.info, yet has NO EVIDENCE

Yes there are a number of cunning and sly low lifes on NutJobTV, Bedroom Broadcast Conspirators and low distribution publishing who parade such cases – sandwiched between their sad exploitation of the weak minded and inadequate who have been sat on by life.

Those who wish to blame their own incompetence and failures (and of course their benefit cheques) on lizards, aliens, conDENSATION trails, abductions, Illuminati, FBI, Islam, CIA, immigrants, the bosses, Government, The Masons, Big Government, Common Purpose, Bigger Government, The KGB, Bohemian Grove, Mossad, The Nazis, the New World Order, bullets that bounce off windows, clicks on the phone from auto switching gear, MI5, black ops, The DVD, MI6, Martians, OLAF, secret globalists, The Queen, black helicopters, the Bush family, oil, peak oil, too much oil, lack of oil, UFOs and so on ad naseam.

NO the sad truth is life sat on you and was fairly hard going because you chose your GRANDPARENTS badly and have their genetics.

Sadly the exploitation of Hollie Greig, by the sad and the sick does not want FACTS to expose their conspiracy fantasies, but THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Fortunately Hollie would seem not to have sufficient mental accumen to understand she is being exploited and abused as she is paraded like an exhibit in a Barnum & Bailey show of freaks of the 1890s. The vicarious pleasure of those who would fail their CRBs must be huge!

nooccaR annA has exposed the exploiters and shown they have got it 100% wrong – first you provide THE EVIDENCE and then you seek Justice.

Approaching it backwards they have made criminals of themselves and shown they have NO EVIDENCE.

IF suddenly Anne Greig or Robert Green produce evidence then sadly it can only be EVIDENCE that they are liars as they have promised me AND OTHERS that we are aware of ALL the EVIDENCE they have.

I believe it is time that the duely funded authorities considered placing far greater supervision and care of Hollie Greig at the top of their priorities, considered medical attention for Anne Greig and prosecution of Robert Green.

It may well be apposite for The Court of Protection to investigate Hollie’s finances and how Anne has disbursed them!

I think that the story has yet further to run, so those deriving a vicarious pleasure from studying the sexual information and claimed abuse may still get their jollies – just as those who derived pleasure from fantasising over Roy Greig’s sad suicide can still get their kicks by issuing their sad death threats as they masturbate in their lonely bedrooms.

IF YOU have any EVIDENCE or need help, I have, as Ms. Raccoon states been exposing abuse since the 1950s!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

18 Put up or shut up! May 31, 2010 at 23:28

It is time that Mr Green and Ms Greig put up or shut up …

Show the world and your very deluded and duped followers this “damning evidence” that you claim to have to prove that Hollie was systematically and repeatedly sexually abused and violated by a “paedophile rape gang” in Aberdeen throughout the 1990s.

Why did Mr Green not take his opportunity when he had it back in February and March to get the case into the Scottish Courts? What do his very deluded followers know about that missed opportunity? Has he told them he could have exposed Hollie’s case in court but failed to do so?

Are Shropshire Social Services now doing a full vulnerable adult assessment to ascertain if Hollie is fully aware of the allegations made in her name and do they think she should be taken into care for her own protection and to avoid further public humiliation and exploitation on social network sites (Facebook), various blogs and in the alternative media radio and TV world?

Robert Green has done so much damage to many peoples lives and reputations now that he should be further restricted of his liberty and silenced for good … for the sake of Hollie and all those he has publicly named in this abomination of a case. Perhaps it is also time that his own mental state was fully and properly assessed by experts to determine his own sanity and reasoning.

Time the Scottish and English authorities took pragmatic action and end this charade once and for all …

19 P T Barnum June 1, 2010 at 00:09

Anna, you deserve great credit for this forensic disclosure of the campaign and its shaky foundations. While my own gut instinct told me that there was something very wrong in the way the story was being promulgated, and therefore probably with the story as well, none of us can say one way or the other if there is any substance to the claims of conspiracy. But what we can be clear about, in large part due to your efforts, is that we should be highly sceptical about the truth-status of the parental version, and the aims of the campaign as well.

Cui bono?

20 Greg_L-W. June 1, 2010 at 00:11

Hi,

Robert Green must be profoundly ashamed of the evil he has stirred up without ANY EVIDENCE.

For those who wish to see the depths of depravity these SCUM will sink to to try to discredit those who have exposed them:
http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/05/sk-h217-now-look-how-scum-respond-to.html

Robert Green has most clearly stirred up a particularly evil claque of abusers and exploiters seeking their 15 minutes (well 2 possibly) minutes of onanism!

No wonder all the FB groups in their shame are plunging back into the slime under their stones and ‘going private’ like Gollom they do not fair well in the spotlight of truth!

Well done for exposing them M. Raccoon and others now we must try to keep tabs on them so they can not foment more witch hunts for their vicarious pleasure and gain!

So that they can not ruin the lives of more innocent victims and so that where possible they can be kept away from the vulnerable!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

21 Garibaldi June 1, 2010 at 06:49

Talking of Poster girl/boys, take a look at one of the MAIN Hollie Greig propagators; a self-confessed Genius with a microphone and tape machine in his spare room…this is the hard-core DJ (poor man’s Alex Jones god help us). This man apparently came along and offered his gold-plated services to Hollie’s Army **Cor Blimey I hope there are no gays in HOLLE’S army!!** This is the calibre of man they have chosen in a sense over the award winning journo Mark Daly.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130400523643760&v=wall

Seriously…. so desperate, misinformed and misguided are this out of control shower, that they jump at any chance of broadcasting this poor wretched woman’s personal details on any old airwave in any old country by the first random disk jockey who sniffs them out and see it as a major breakthrough . Yet still they do not see the utter irony in what they do – that is, parade this vulnerable woman …. actually hang on there. Why not consider for a minute if Hollie’s physical form corresponded with her suggested mental age of say 8. Who would violate a little 8 year old girl ‘s human rights this way and NOT be stopped by the authorities? Come on Social Services, please do something here!

The trouble with groups such as this is that initially one is struck dumb with the horror of the ‘case’ (obviously) – Stage 1. Stage 2 is the feeling of comradeship and strength in numbers and the nirvana of feeling one has a chance to ‘nail the bastard paedos’ which is really quite seductive and satisfying. Stage 3 they are swept up into a thick froth of emotion, campaigning and rampaging …. fundamentally decent enough people (though undoubtedly many with their own agendas) at last with a solid opportunity to make a difference in the world. Fair enough, if the case they are fighting for is a strong one and has oodles of evidence. I think they are stuck now at the level of delirious denial – they poo-poo the likes of Mark Daly and instead choose to worship at the alter of Paul Drockton. They scurry away amongst themselves in hidden Facebook, unable to even consider another perspective like ferrets in a cage planning their big escape into the paradise where Justice for Hollie is a reality. …thanks to them and their leafleting on a Saturday afternoon.

I’m sorry to say that it’s at this point one would consider the possiblity that Hollie has taken a back seat….their own internal ‘told you so’ mantra becomes so utterly paramount, that the subject of and philosophy behind the campaign is shoved under the carpet somewhat. High as kites on their agendas, they are so blinkered that even if the case WAS brought to the highest court in the whole damn world with Ban Ki Moon pouring the tea and Bono and Sting providing the catering …even if here it was ripped to shreds and thrown out of court WHICH IT WOULD BE they would still soldier on regardless! They are gone, swept away with the fairies and merrily the woman’s mother is allowing this to happen. If they all had the strength of character (including the mum and Green) to step down now, there would I am sure be a Mexican Wave of Respect for their courage in doing so from all of us tortured observers of this dire affair.

Hollie Greig will continue as their poster girl and continue to be used by these spectacularly stupid people I’m afraid, until the ‘authorities’ bloody step in and do something about it.

22 Greg_L-W. June 1, 2010 at 07:28

Hi,

to assist >Garibaldi<:
Hollie Greig will continue as their poster girl and continue to be used by these spectacularly stupid people I

23 Garibaldi June 1, 2010 at 09:25

Consider the letter of support written and posted.

24 dave June 1, 2010 at 09:50

That was a good analysis of the case Anna. I’ve not got an axe to grind in this case but just want to see it all resolved. You didn’t explore some points that I’m still confused about.
Could you find out why Levy & McRae , the Scottish Justice Sec McAskill ‘s previous employer, are involved and who is paying them ?
Why Peter Watson is allowed to silence any talk of the case in the media ?
Why Lord Advocate Angiolini is allowed to take a role after her previous delays in similar court cases led to cases being thrown outof court. ? And who is paying for all her libel actions ?
Was it necessary to conduct a dawn raid on Mr Greens house ?
Why the court case is taking so long to be heard considering what happened with similar cases in the past that had to be kicked into the long grass.
Thanks

25 Little sis June 1, 2010 at 18:11

I echo Dave’s request. Its alright Anna and Greg LW shouting from the rooftops but they’re as guilty for not covering the bits that they can’t answer either. No one has a compleatly un clouded, un biased view on this case. Glw has an axe to grind, that is quite apparant from his bitter blogs…and to publish the Greigs address is surely the lowest of the low. And to say that that is what Anne Greig did with the alleged perpetrators…you don’t know that. You are as bad Anna and Greg because you’re feeding off all this too. As for the facts???? They aren’t all up here thats for sure. As for the alleged paedophiles…they don’t need you to champion them….they’re are doing a good job of protecting themselves I would say.

26 Subrosa June 1, 2010 at 10:25

Anna, most brave of you to approach this story again and with such professionalism. Several times I was asked to take it on board, but refused, as I have a personal interest in Down’s Syndrome children and did not want this young woman to undergo any more public display than necessary unless there was evidence.

Two matters in the case stopped me in my tracks. Firstly the mother’s comment that she had to ‘flee’ Aberdeen. I decided she chose to leave Aberdeen after reading her online publications. Secondly when I heard Robert Green implying in his video that the First Minister Alex Salmond was implicated, I looked into the matter. In Green’s video he says Hollie’s mother wrote to Alex Salmond and received no reply (thus Salmond’s silence was his guilty by association). That was untrue. Salmond replied to the mother within four weeks.

Of course agencies such as social services are not perfect, but in defence of Aberdeen, I wouldn’t say they were any worse there than in other areas of the UK. The Scottish legal system does require a shake up and is a small world. In some ways it’s a pity they do not publicly defend themselves against such allegations; in other ways their silence may be more beneficial to the young woman who I consider is being exploited.

27 DaveP June 1, 2010 at 11:56

There is now so much “information” flying around about this case, and so many reputations being trashed, that surely the time has come for the authorities in Scotland to do something.

Most people I speak to back home in Scotland have heard “bits” of this story, and a lot comment on the involvement of the “elite”, and in particular of a Sheriff..although most cannot name him. All this is rumbling under the surface, and as time marches on will only get worse the way things are going.

Names of alleged victims and offenders are now all over the internet, together with some of their home addresses. Anyone now coming into contact with this case is almost certainly going to believe what they see on the internet. After all, if people have had their names dragged through the mud, including a Sheriff, and nothing has been done to right a possible wrong, then in most peoples minds there must be some truth to the case.

There is not a lot of confidence in the honesty of the justice system in Scotland, and yes, the police there are mostly in the Freemasons, and a lot are corrupt. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service is also somewhat corrupt. I would hope, that a police force outside of Grampian, preferably not another Scottish force, (too incestuous), be instructed to fully investigate the case in full, and “put it to bed” once and for all. Whoever has broken any law can then get punished accordingly.

28 Allcingeye June 1, 2010 at 13:56

It is Fine Running Down Robert Green And Hollie Greig but The young lady is saying she has been raped and she wants to fight,
Mark Daly managed to get a autopsy Report, Remember mark Daly still believes Hollie Was telling the truth about being raped.
and how did Mark Daly get a private Autopsy Report As Ann did not have it when Mark was looking at making his video on the cover up. I hope people do listen to Mark Daly you will hear a very scared Mark Daly May be The sister mentioned was a sister inlaw, is there any kind fellow who can help sheriff buchanan make a video.
I take it if Hollie Greig with Down syndrome can get on a few videos
sheriff buchanan has the right to do the same and the others involved as well, or can take Hollie Greig to court.

29 Radical Views June 1, 2010 at 20:42

There are a lot of people out there trying to burst this particular bubble as it grows and grows beyond the ability of the authorities to control the situation. Good evening trolls! If YOU have any evidence, I mean concrete evidence that you can bring to the police to prove that this horrendous tale is anything less than that portrayed by the Greigs and their supporters – bring it on! Otherwise we are left with the inevitable conclusion that the media, politicians and the legal system are avoiding this like the plague because it will bring their whole pack of satanic cards crashing down – and what a mess that would be. So, yes, support the satanic fraternity if you wish, but I will have nothing to do with it and will continue to support all moves to reveal the gruesome truth about our so-called leaders.

30 Radical Review June 2, 2010 at 01:47

‘If YOU have any evidence, I mean concrete evidence that you can bring to the police to prove that this horrendous tale is anything less than that portrayed by the Greigs and their supporters

31 A Guy June 2, 2010 at 02:47

What really makes me laugh is the likes of Sandra Barr and Paul Drockton. Never met anyone related to the case and fully prepared to lie and slander on one hand and play the “love and light” card with the other hand……crazy people…

32 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 09:57

Anna you have made a few errors in your article I am afraid, and you have glossed over certain characters’ input to the cause so let me help you out and give you the chance to dispel the theory that you are working alongside such scum.

The man you write about GLW was actually the first person to put the alleged abusers names on the internet. H’s mother apparently had no internet access and gave this man full permission to blog on Hollie’s behalf as she trusted him. Is honestly possible that a man of such experience (I do not doubt that he is a very intelligent man) would publish this list of 14 names, names of high ranking officials in Scotland without doing his research? Are we to honestly believe that his heart was so big that he jumped on this information with good intentions and printed the names putting his reputation at risk?
Or perhaps… just perhaps… he read over the names, did his research and noticed H’s mother had listed Evelyn as sister and not sister in law. Perhaps he printed this list knowing that if anyone such as Mark Daly became involved that little mistake could be highlighted to make the story less credible?
The said Blogger’s nasty and drawn out arguments with the likes of Paul Drockton have caused Tom George to quit, and unfortunately Mr Drockton took this as a sign of Tom being a ‘turncoat’. Mr Drockton does not speak for all H supporters. I’m afraid his homophobic and paranoid rantings have done the campaign a lot of harm… people are exposing his anti-gay groups with absolute GLEE and calling him poor man’s Alex Jones. So what if he is? It is people like you who are giving him such credence in the campaign. Most of us H supporters really don’t give him a second thought. Why are people like you determined to portray him as ‘a leading light?’
What is your interest in doing so?
Anyway Anna I don’t expect you to print this as you seem to have made up your mind about the whole thing, I just wish I had your black and white approach to life it would sure help me sleep better at night.
Also Pabs and Plum were NOT the creators of the larger facebook group, there was a guy J who set up the group and Pabs contacted him ASKING to be an administrator. Was J perhaps a little too trusting in accepting him? Perhaps he did not realise how big this was going to be….
Anyway Anna best wishes to you, perhaps you won’t mind me pointing out these FACTS.

33 Garibaldi June 2, 2010 at 14:43

“Mr Drockton does not speak for all H supporters.” ” Most of us H supporters really don

34 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 16:04

Garibaldi I honestly do not know what I would do if one of my children said they were ‘raped by lawyers and judges’ and nobody in power would help. I do not know what I would be capable of.

As far as the Drockton issue goes a LOT of H’s supporters have been put off by his unnecessary attack on TG. He is NOT the leader of H’s campaign, never has been and never will be. You only have to look at the amount of members in his facebook groups to see that.

35 Garibaldi June 2, 2010 at 16:45

Not the leader no – you mis-quote me. God help you; Robert Green is, is he not? (Much much worse) But Drockton of Mighty Brain IS A LEADING LIGHT!!! The man has a microphone, a radio programme and a loudish voice, is happy to pimp his wretched programme on YOUR FACEBOOK GROUP PAGE dear. **Ding Dong** Penny dropped yet? Hooray, now you see it – Hollie Greig’s face plastered all over the internet, airwaves, leaflets in Glasgow last Saturday etc = total exploitation and I do believe the penny is finally begining to drop. Be brave, go the full way and STOP using Hollie Greig as self-medication all of you. Seek it elsewhere.

36 Greg_L-W. June 2, 2010 at 16:25

Hi,

my congratulations to MotherOf2 – imagine when so much has already been written by way of fantasy by the ill informed and the fantasist exploiting this story amid their chakras, karmas and fanciful bile – I must congratulate you on managing to invent a new Conspiracy.

That’ll keep the idiots guessing.

Just in passing you will note if dilligent I did NOT publish the names first – they had already been put in the public domain. By the way now you remind me that with the simplest of investigation the BBC chap who I have NEVER spoken to but know of well from associates who have worked with him over many years – he of course identified the fact that the list Robert Green had so glibly published without ANY evidence was I gather clearly wrong.

A pity you are not better connected but sadly as you are too ashamed of your foolish comments and your new conspiracy theory to put your name to them or I could have provided you with contacts better informed than I as in this instance I never offered to ‘Investigate’, and both Anne & Robert were more than happy to regularly spend an age on the phone to me and utilise my contacts as neither of them had ANY.

Amusingly we note you are isolated in that you claim Tom George quit because I exposed the imbecilic bedroom broadcaster Drockton for the liar and charlatan he is yet it is he who seeks to conving we are one and the same whilst the idiotic Matt Quinn seeks to claim Paul Phillips, Tom George and myself are actually reincarnations of Roy Greig or Anne’s son – delusional or what, but clearly you are nearly as batty.

You are right though perhaps it was to fltter the flattulent excrecence Drockton by calling him a poor man’s Alex Jones!

By the way is the J of your fantasy your crystal ball assures you set up farcebook – You don’t believe you may have misread the rhunes when in fact you meant Pabs and Plum who were asked by James Ellis to help set it up.

Such a pity of your so called facts you managed to get almost all wrong but never mind with your silly name you are spared the embarrassment that your children may have had with such a staggeringly self important fool as a Mother.

Do try to get the odd thing right next time – IF you want some accurate facts you can give me a call since you are clearly so out of touch!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

37 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 17:02

I will back out of this now, clearly I have rattled the cage of a man who is unstable and I just don’t care to be on the receiving end of his next internet RANT. I certainly do not care to telephone a man who is capable of such bile, I feel he has done himself no favours at all being so nasty and vitriolic towards people who are simply seeking the truth and perhaps this is the reason people look to ‘conspiracy theories’ rather than what he DEMANDS we believe.
The lowest point which has been reached so far is printing H’s address on the internet – downright disgusting – so forgive me if I don’t take his word.

Also I did not call Paul Drockton a “Poor man’s Alex Jones’ I was quoting the Raccoon herself.

As for me being a self important fool of a mother well Mr LW it takes one to know one.

38 Anna Raccoon June 2, 2010 at 17:05

Mother of2,

La Raccoon has never referred to Paul Drockton as a ‘poor man’s Alex Jones’ – kindly give a correct reference to this quote.

39 Motherof2 June 2, 2010 at 17:10

I do beg your pardon Ms Raccoon this was in another comment by another person. It was not my intention to call him it directly.

40 Hollie June 2, 2010 at 19:29

Well done Mother of 2 for letting people have an insight into the farce that calls himself GLW. This man speaks of the exploitation and abuse H is suffering by being ”paraded around the internet” , the man is so concerned he contacted Social Services regarding this issue, yet this same man then prints H’s full address on his blog.
Need I say more.
If anything happens to Hollie since her address has been published I will hold you personally responsible.

41 Radical Review June 2, 2010 at 20:49

You will hold motherof2 responsible??

Read your post again Hollie.

42 Green gets called to account … June 3, 2010 at 02:53

The ruthless and reckless charlatan, fantasist, liar and menace that is Robert Green gets called to account in this very courageous and truthful open letter. But will he have the integrity, courage, humility and honour to now do what’s being asked of him … or will his arrogance, selfishness and HUGE ego prevent him for doing so?

Time will tell …

http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/06/sk-h221-paul-phillips-to-robert-green.html

Well done to the brave, honest, humble and honourable Paul Phillips for calling the very ruthless, reckless and arrogant Mr Green to account.

Paul is a man of honour who deserves to be applauded for exposing this public menace and liar once and for all.

Green should be arrested and put in prison for his reckless actions over the past 18 months.

43 Phil Brennan June 3, 2010 at 13:11

I have been reporting on this case for some time, and even though I believe that something must have happened to Hollie Greig, I have always refused to name names simply because to do so would ruin any chance of a fair trial should it ever come to court.

The sudden silence concerning the case is suspicious to me, but I shall withhold judgement until such a time as all the facts come to light. Yes, my suspicions are raised…

Meanwhile, if legitimate activists would like me to highlight cases they have successfully prosecuted I would be delighted to do so.

44 The “Hollie’s Barmy Army” Facebook braying mob June 3, 2010 at 21:48

The “Hollie’s Barmy Army” Facebook braying mob …

They all sit at their computers; judging, condemning, speculating, mocking, spitting, hissing, gnarling, growling and ripping each other to shreds.

They accuse, condemn, defame, slander and hang the noose around others necks without a shred of evidence and anyone given a fair trial in a court of law.

They demand “Justice For Hollie” without realising the injustice they are perhaps doing to all those who they have already publicly named and condemned without a shred of evidence to support their screams for “justice”.

They don’t know Anne and that she possibly is indeed mentally ill (to a greater or lesser degree) and perhaps could even be suffering from M

45 Robert GREEN HAS FINALLY FLIPPED!! June 4, 2010 at 06:40
46 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 09:38

Hi,

there is a huge amount more original evidence now published on:
http://StolenKids-Hollie.blogspot.com

ALL bringing us inexorably closer to Justice and the truth and making it clear that only with EVIDENCE can an enquiry be held.

You will however note my cunning plan – I have requested Shrewasbury Social Services learning skills section look into the possibility that Hollie Greig who would seem to have a mental age of around 5 be investigated as there is a possibility she is being exploited and abused!

Clever or what!

Obviously this will lead to establishing the truth and getting Justice – IF the braying asses of Hollie’s Bonkers Army of nutters are right and Robert Green & Anne Greig are telling the truth then we WILL get Justice and they have nothing to fear.

IF of course they actually have something to fear they are likely to be councelled by those seeking to exploit them to ‘leg it’ – of course this will be most effective until Hollie has need of medical care WHAT THEN?

How confident are those who would be mad enough to harbour them that long term damage isn’t being done – have YOU the expertise to stop Robert, or worse still Anne going Postal IF they are exposed by the very enquiry they wanted me to get for them!

There is as you ALL know for certain NO EVIDENCE could there be some out there who are stupid enough to take these risks with other people’s lives WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

You have seen the utter lunacies of poor sad/evil Robert Greens Uriah Heep performances and his utterly and proven barking denunciations of ANYONE who has seen through his scam. If you haven’t – hunt them down they are a text book study of delusional derangement – the man is as mad as a stoat – a dangerous out of control menace in society at large.

Just read the FACTS produce the evidence. His stunning stupidity is there for all to see. As with the MADLY proliferating blogs and web sites crammed with bizarre fantasies and obsessions about me and sadly also A.R.

I could care less I owe my living to no man and in my impecunity I have the independence Millionaires strive for – but think of the lynch mob should they ever wish to get off of benefits and get a job and a life – will their current fantastical stupidity harm their prospects for life as they linger on on the internet?

Sorry – false sympathy is so transparent ;-(

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

47 Garibaldi June 4, 2010 at 10:11

“How confident are those who would be mad enough to harbour them that long term damage isn

48 Radical Review June 4, 2010 at 10:07

can anyone clarify how the justice system works?
I had thought that if there are complaints of abuse against a vulnerable person, then the justice system in the process of preparing a case for court, would require social services to provide reports? How would Social Services do this if they did not interact with the complainant?
Surely the FB campaigners and Robert Green who want an open investigation should see this as a step to what they have been asking for?

49 Radical Review June 4, 2010 at 10:41

#45, I am reading your links in utter horror. Robert Greens ‘statement’ is nuts. If social services don’t get involved and protect this woman from him and the FB crazies there is going to be a tragedy. I can’t see any other outcome unless this madness is halted now.

50 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 11:09

Hi,

Radical – I regret you are 100% right and thse exploiters are now USING Hollie, Anne & Robert and it is a VERY dangerous and unpredictable game they are ‘playing’ they know it but insist on basing their idiotic arguments on barely understood hearsay, inadequate checks and trying to make as if who cares what money I have.

The barking bufoons at UKIP column are now openly claiming it must be true I’m a Government agent because they don’t know where I get my money from!!

Just think this loon Gerrish was once allowed to wear a British Uniform and put in charge of a plastic washing up bowl and a crew of not many! But people no less!

One of UKIP’s very few sensible actions was toss him out alomng with the idiotic and vicious Albert the polisher and legal genius (well Special Constable!). You just couldn’t make it up. Gerrish has surrounded himself like a latter day Charlie Manson in his cult of geriatric crones and bizarre Squeeky Fromes!

They’ve got god which is deeply worrying he is supposed to have wandered around on a hill near THEM.

Gerrish had a hissy fit with me years ago when I gave him his first platform outside his bathroom! An intense, paranoid and furtive little chap but I made the mistake of questioning his evidence – I supplied him with data on the graduates of Common Purpose and as ever he had to be in charge and stole the disc!!

He is not a lot less mad than Robert Green but just as vicious if you ask for EVIDENCE. That is why they make absolutely no meaningful headway because all that a cult permits is sad followers but no reason, no logic and heaven forefend NO EVIDENCE!!

Watch their seminars on video they are slick, competent and crass!

Now look at the fantasy of the Hollie Story!! NO EVIDENCE just the utterly mad ravings of Robert Green – all so simple to repudiate.

By the way why is it their business how I ear my money? I’m puzzled by that! So because the idiots can’t identify how I live I must be a Government agent – how barking is that!!

These idiots must be the only people left who have avoided reading my output – anyone heard the latest joke?
Greg’s a Government Agent!!

OK Green, Gerrish, and the rest of the paranoid lunatic fringe – have you got any evidence to back your fantasies, libels, slanders and defamation.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

51 Pabs June 4, 2010 at 12:47

I am shocked at the way this has panned out. Shocked with myself. Shocked by the brimstone evangelists that send you to hell for questioning your own faith in THEIR conviction. Shocked by the way they stand for justice whilst parading a vulnerable girl like a wild west freak show in the name of openess and justice. Shocked by the hypocritical demands for answers and apologies (yet can come forward with neither). Shocked at the remorseless cold treatment of people who have given so much time, effort, energy, dogmatic trust – that are then hailed as shills and agents merely for asking to have the conclusive proof shared or acted upon before we continue with upholding the most serious of claims possible. Shocked at the fact that the government have not stepped in to defend themselves (probably because they do actually have something to hide – nothing to hide, nothing to fear remember). Shocked at the vitriolic abuse that is spat at each other in the name of truth. I am shocked at the human race. We are an abomination to evolution. I am also not only shocked but disgusted with all of the above.

I have however met many quiet, genuine, hurt, hopeful, needy and clearly wonderful people that have fallen foul of our own species, especially through being involved in this. Be it those that genuinely want us to do a lot better as a species or victims of establishment, relatives, social networking lunatics, glory hunters, paranoid deviants. These are the people I stand for. The hope for humanity is with them and it is these that will suffer most from the continuation of farces such as this that is Robert Greens responsibility to address honourably.

There is oil flooding into the seas which is a potential disaster of a scale we have never known, there are soldiers killing innocent civilians in illegal wars with radioactive munitions, heads of banking and media colluding in secret meetings – that is NOW.

We are consumed with the actions of a charlatan. But it is all part of the change that we are seeing and it is down to the individual to seek and accept the truth. I accept my foolishness in running with this over the last 5 months and am seeking to rectify it, not to save my skin, but as I am duty bound to make all those aware of my concerns for the validity of something I so strongly disseminated to them. How do I explain to my father that what he got so upset by but was proud of my courage to stand for – that it was a hoax? My friends. 27000 people that came in hope? There have been some incredible lessons here. If we learn from them I believe we can forgive ourselves and others and also still see the change we hoped for.

My thoughts are, as they always were, with Hollie for whatever the truth of this – it is she that will remain the abused and innocent. Also with those that looked to this wreckers lamp charading as a lighthouse in the storm of our de-humanisation.

Consequence is no coincidence.

52 Anna Raccoon June 4, 2010 at 12:50

Pablo,
I stand in awe of your eloquence.
Congratulations.

53 Radical Review June 4, 2010 at 13:06

here, here.

54 Garibaldi June 4, 2010 at 13:07

Aye well that’s set me off with the tears Pabs. Beautiful, the utter truth perfectly written and presented in a nut shell. Thankyou.

55 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 14:17

Agree with all the above plaudits.

Pabs – you know how I feel about you buddy … the most honourable and decent man to come out of this tragedy.

I am as regretful about this whole very sorry and tragic state of affairs as you are and am very ashamed that I was duped by the charm, plausibility and cunning ruthlessness and recklessness of Robert Green – he who demands apologies of others, but isn’t honourable and honest enough to do so himself and concede he might, just might, have made a mistake and got it wrong … a hellova lot wrong. The arrogance of this man is quite astounding.

God help Anne and Hollie now – wherever they may be hiding out? They are in the “care” of a charlatan(s), deluded fool(s) and criminal(s).

I only hope if they are in need of urgent medical help, their own health won’t be sacrificed to protect the identity of those who have spirited them away.

My thoughts are with them – no matter what they too may think about me now … I care not a jot what the braying mob think and they are free to phone me if they want to denegrate me and challenge me in any way.

07791-226-490

56 Scarlet Pimpernel June 4, 2010 at 16:29

I am not a “brimstone evangelist”. I am though quite confused as to your position.

“How do I explain to my father that what he got so upset by but was proud of my courage to stand for

57 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 17:26

Scarlet Pimpernel said …

“May I ask just what it is you think the government have to hide if it is all a hoax?” …

Perhaps the fact that they should have dealt with the allegations more thoroughly and professionally a decade ago, thus avoiding the ill-informed, ruthless, reckless and highly irresponsible braying mob onslaught ten years later.

Still waiting for Drockton and Green to publicly apologise and show some humility …

“They seek them here, they seek them there … those many duped souls seek them everywhere. Are they in heaven or are they in HELL, those damn elusive Pimpernels”!

58 Scarlet Pimpernel June 4, 2010 at 18:24

Fair point Mr George. However, I hope you do not think I am “ill-informed. ruthless and highly irresponsible”? Perhaps a couple of hundred years ago, but not now. As for braying, I leave that to the more unsavoury of mobs sir!

Does our Mr George also speak for you Mr Phillips?

You are thoroughly deserving of an apology from the American, but Green? Has he also slandered your good name?

Finally sir, if I am in “HELL”, then I can only say what a thoroughly pleasant “HELL” it is! In fact, I could not recommend “HELL” more highly!

59 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 19:32

I have no idea if you are “ill-informed, ruthless and highly irresponsible”. I am still seeking you as you know. But I’m delighted to read you are not of the braying variety – that’s a relief to see … phewee! I would never wish to cross swords with you SP.

No, of course, I don’t talk for Pabs – he, like G L-W, is more than capable of speaking for himself, as I think you know. But I do respect him immensely and agree with his very eloquent analysis of this very tragic tale now I regret to say.

Thank you for agreeing that “the American” does indeed owe me apology – I can clearly see, whoever (and wherever ?) you are, you are a fair, reasoned and rational person. It is a great pity there weren’t more amidst all the melee that ensued some time ago in this very sorry affair.

Yes, I’m afraid the ever so charming, plausible, manipulative, arrogant, cunning, ruthless, reckless, two-faced and LYING Mr Green (SUE ME) has indeed slandered my name with others – as he has Pabs … to me on the phone on Tuesday past when I phoned him up again to challenge his deafening silence and callous indifference and to put him on the spot. He said Pabs was “a liar” in fact – just like I apparently called Hollie “a liar” … NOT. It was pretty desperate stuff. Now that I am no longer just another “yes man” and adoring, deluded, duped and fawning fan, he has gone off me somewhat – kind of indicates the very warped and ruthless personailty-disordered type we are really dealing with here. Not very honourable or gentlemanly at all I’m afraid to say.

I am of course so sorry to learn that you are presently in “HELL”, but I am pleased to read that you seem to be in good company there. I hope you never get burnt and enjoy the stay with “the more unsavoury of mobs” you encounter whilst down there.

Good day to you SP. I certainly won’t ever cross swords with you again!

60 Tom George, Edinburgh June 4, 2010 at 13:40

Open Letter to Mr Paul Drockton – he who doesn’t have the honesty, integrity, honour and humility to publicly and unreservedly apologise to me, Pabs and many others for his own “slanderous filth” …

Mr Paul Drockton
“Dead Mans Musings”
The Paul Drockton Online Radio Show
USA

Email: pdrockton@aol.com

Friday 4 June 2010

Paul

My honest and truthful reply … and in fairness to all concerned

You left me without a name on your online radio shows last Friday night (28 May), Monday night (31 May) and Tuesday night (1 June) when Robert was on – no unreserved apology on the latter programme from you or Robert … how honourable and gentlemanly you both are! You accused me of being things I am plainly not and that I said “Hollie is a liar” – I have / would not say that … EVER. You slandered my name and wished me harm and ill. “Slanderous filth” indeed sir!

This whole thing turned pear-shaped after the Mark Daly interview on the Tony “Legend” radio show on the night of Sunday 25 April 2010 – where Robert and Anne were found wanting and doubts starting to develop amongst those who believed every aspect of this “case”. You know how this developed over the course of that week, no thanks to your bullish and egotistical behaviour – when you and Greg started to name call, flame and let your big egos take over … and I was caught in the crossfire in the process. Greg at least has had the decency and integrity to apologise and express sincere regret over that and I accepted his apology and know he never intended for me to become “collateral damage”.

I have made my position perfectly clear about Greg in my previous emails to you several times. I agree he has perhaps overstepped the mark about certain things and I certainly do not agree with all he writes – I do not want you or anyone to commit suicide or come to any harm or ill … he should not have said that, but we all can say things in anger that we don’t really mean and later regret … I have done so many times throughout my life and I am obviously very regretful for doing so … but we all sadly do. I am not Greg’s master and cannot force him to stop what he says on his blog. He has been getting a lot of “slanderous filth” too and even death threats as well – perhaps you might want to retaliate and would get very angry too … I know I certainly would not take such “slanderous filth” without wanting to defend my good name … as I have been doing over the past few days with you Again, I am not defending Greg (he is perfectly capable of doing that himself) and I don’t agree with everything he writes, but I would say there are certainly reasonable mitigating circumstances for his actions over the past 5 weeks.

Greg is not working for the government (nor am I or Pabs – which is just very paranoid thinking if anyone thinks we are), he is not the devil, he is not evil and he is not mad or deranged – had you spoken to him at the end of April when suggested, you could have determined that for yourself. But he is obviously very hacked off that he has been rounded on by a largely ignorant, ill-informed and angry braying mob who do not really know him or the full circumstances of his involvement in Hollie’s case since early last year – and you did exactly the same when you wrongly accused him on my now defunct “Scots AgainstInjustice” Facebook Profile Wall on Tuesday 27 April 2010 and then left him without a name on your online radio show on Thursday 29 April 2010 – which I challenged you over on a point of principle (his right to reply to your charges) and you refused to respond and phone me as I requested.

There are a lot of people now who are greatly dissatisfied with the apparent lack of HARD evidence. There are a lot of people who feel used, abused, duped and discarded. There are a lot of people who doubt the veracity of the whole case. There are a few people who have been involved since last year (I was one of that few) who have now been hung out to dry without a public apology from Robert, Stuart or Anne – or with even a hint of any regret in a public statement.

And you wonder why there is now all this mud-slinging, anger, nastiness, hatred, bile and “slanderous filth”!?

Speaking of which … I still await your full, proper, public and unreserved apology from you for your “slanderous filth” towards me – and Pabs.

How about it Paul? …

Show some honesty, integrity, honour and humility as I have done and just say …

“I’m profusely sorry Tom and I unreservedly apologise … I slandered your good name without justified reason and I was very wrong to do so” …

And put it on your website for the public record as well.

I’m waiting Paul …

Tom

07791-226-490

cc. Stuart Usher, Robert Green et al

PS. Remember Paul … it was because of you that I am now in the position I am and getting accused of things that are simply untrue, unfair and unjustified.

This letter can be freely disseminated to others and reproduced anywhere on the internet – but the full and complete text only.

__________

ADDENDUM:

Anna Raccoon is as much a shill as I am. Those who still think myself, Pabs, Greg and Anna are “highly paid government agents” really ought to seek immediate psychiatric help for their paranoid disorders.

61 Anna Raccoon June 4, 2010 at 13:57

Anna Raccoon is as much a shill as I am. Those who still think myself, Pabs, Greg and Anna are

62 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 14:26

Hi,

after the eloquence of Paul Phillips so well presenting the case – just look at this shamefull and cowardly drivel from some no nothing low life with little command of the language and less knowledge of the facts.

Little wonder that this particular cowardly excrecence is too ashamed to put his name to the nonsense he circulates.

I am sickened by the sponge brained snivelling cowards like this buffoon – pre pubescent little girls trolling the internet making much of showing off – Robert green is not disimilar with the hatefull residual gaggle of wituperative witches egging him on in his obscene and irresponsible behaviour – Cat Shit or whatever you childish name is you are clearly out of your depth, just leaping up and down showing off.

Be grown up enough if you are going to dishonestly and vituperatively defame adults to put your name to your banal mutterings.

Now sunshine for all your sad weenie waggling pop your plastic mac back on and let us know:
Where is the evidence – have YOU Personally seen ANY EVIDENCE.

Remember those ‘Show and Tell’ lessons you were having not so long ago – well you sad muppet SHOW & TELL what evidence YOU have seen.

In best part of 2 years involvement with this sad fantasy I have seen not one shred! Now we have some irresponsible foul mouthed (yes I saw your childish posting an the batty Sandra Barr’s secret squirrel site & the shamefull comments of that geriatric creep Stuart Usher who surely is old enough to know better! & yet again Brian Gerrish’s childish dribblings in his fantasy comic for the lunatic fringe obsessed with how I earn a living which PROVES for these half wits that I am a Government agent, a measure of their sanity!)

ButlinCat – you are a risible fool with little intelligence and less common sense another motor mouth unfettered by thought or reason and blind to the FACTS – you are defaming people with not a shred of evidence and in the association of the criminal nutters.

I now believe that for Hollie & Anne’s safety it is time they were taken into care in a swecure unit until this madness calms down.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are BOTH at risk – and of course Hollie as a desparately impaired person with a mental age around 5 is most ably suited to continue in the loving care of her Mother but obviously with suitable medical and Social Services support to avoid exploitation and abuse in the future from evil people like Green, butlincat, Barr, Usher, Drockton, Gerrish and others willing to rush in without ascertaining a single solitary FACT.

There is NO EVIDENCE, there was NO CRIME until Robert Green & Stuart Usher started to commit one.

IF ANYONE has one shred of doubt of the FACTS in this fantasy surrounding Hollie Greig please feel free to contact me – you don’t have to believe me or trust me but do listen before there is a tragedy!

butlincat2012
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Hi – I just wish to inform you that the people mentioned in the press release below are nothing to do with our cause of trying to get justice for Hollie Greig,on facebook and numerous other sites.We are trying to get justice in this case of sexual abuse against her by a Scottish paedophile ring, the ring consisting of a top policeman {now deceased}, nurses, social workers, lawyers, and many more, the whole atrocity being covered up from media exposure by the Law Advocate of Scotland Elish Angilioni, probably by subtle threat and inuendo of dire consequences should the facts of the case be reported in the main media. Please be clear these crimes did exist, for at least over 15 years to Hollie, and are probably still going on today to some poor innocent child.Hollie was awarded

63 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 16:19

The one person who matters most out of all the rest is Hollie herself. If Hollie was abuse by her father at first, i am surprise he was not arrested as the primary suspect.

There are procedures that come into play, when an allegation of abuse is reported. The Police, social workers, who are trained in child protection, would have concern, not only for Hollie but also, equally for other vulnerable people, who may have been abused.

The seriousness of this abuse is because Hollie, is not only a vulnerable adult, but also more so because she lacks capacity. That means she is open to be coerced into doing things, by those who are out to exploit her

The person or persons who committed the abuse would be the only ones who hold the evidence. That is why an investigation, involving many professionals is triggered.

A Professional who works in child Protection has told me, that Hollies

64 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 4, 2010 at 17:36

Some good points John.

We should also remember there were some very abnormal aspects to the treatment received by Robert Green following his first arrest. As you will recall, his hearing took place in Stonehaven despite the Aberdeen Press & Journal (red herring or misapprehension?) saying it would be (as would have been expected) in Aberdeen Sheriff Court. Then there is the fact that the the hearing was held in camera! Quite extraordinary for a trifling Breach of the Peace, wouldn’t you say?!

I was present for those events. One of the people I spoke with that day was the duty solicitor in Aberdeen Sheriff Court. She assured me that asking concerned callers (wanting to know where Robert Green was!) to leave their names and contact details with the Procurator Fiscal’s (PF) call centre (in Glasgow) was completely unheard of! Incidentally, the PF call centre people refused to tell anyone where or even if, Robert’s case was being held that day. If Robert Green is to be believed, the police (or others?) told him on the Friday(!) that his hearing would be in Stonehaven. (Shame they didn’t inform the P&J…?) Why then could the PF’s office not tell us that on the Monday? Should information like that not be in the public domain? Obviously I was also very concerned about Robert’s no-show at court, however, not one official in the court could (or would?) tell me anything. (I found out via the Internet like everyone else.)

Incidentally, while loitering in the hallways of the court, I more than once heard chatty banter between advocates and others to the effect of, ‘It’s awfully quiet for a Monday’.

Finally, also worthy of note was the heavy police presence in and around the court in Stonehaven. (We counted around 7 or 8 officers.) I was informed by two reliable locals that again, apart -perhaps- from hearings involving powerful drug lords and the like, this was utterly unheard of.

I believe that whenever the authorities seemingly deviate from Standard Operating Procedure in manners such as these, freedom-loving citizens should endeavour to find out why. And you know, as they say, no smoke without fire!

Luv

Shone

PS GLW is forbidden from re-producing in any manner this, or any other of my writings. I don’t mind others doing so, just as long as I am not misrepresented.

65 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 4, 2010 at 17:57

PPS The PF call centre staff *only* asked for people’s names and details after they knew who we were calling about. To quote the lady I spoke with, “Ah right, we’ve been told to take your name and contact number…”

66 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 20:30

Hi,

I note with some amusement the astonishing lack of understanding of the law on the part of Shona – she cleeves to herself the near divine right to defame, dissemble and distort and seeks to deny the right of the truth.

IDIOT – why not type at the top:

Here are my lies and no one is allowed to tell the truth.

Shona you have no such legal right though it is clear you fear the possibility nay probability, well in reality certainty that you will be proved wrong on many of your ridicul;ous misrepresentations and fanciful leaps of logic.

I will return to your self indulgent twaddle and answer it in full on StolenKids when it suits me and to suppress the truth you may by all means lose a fortune in the law courts trying to uphold a right to lie without right of reply!

This sadly is anexample of the rigor that has been brought in this story and it is founded quite clearly on mob rule, the lynch mob and hysteria, from idiotic people like Shona who eggs on sad figures like the liar and fool Stuart Usher.

Your special pleading to lie without retort is just risible!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

67 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 5, 2010 at 00:25

Sir,

At no point in my “self indulgent twaddle” did I lie and I resent your slanderous assertions that I did!

Just to make things abundantly clear for you; the parenthesised comments ending in question marks represent CONJECTURE, which I fully accept may not be representable of the truth. (The clamp down on free speech has not gone that far, has it?)

Conjecture aside, I would be more than willing to repeat *any* of the above in a court of law.

Once again, I forbid you from re-producing my “self indulgent twaddle” on any of your sites.

Shona

68 Shona, the Weegie Burd June 5, 2010 at 01:18

PS To be more legally rigorous for you, replace CONJECTURE with OPINION. Those opinions being based on facts.

69 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 16:56

Hi,

I’m surprised John Banks hasn’t found out ANY of the relevant details and I guess his chum in Social Services must be very lowly to dispense such opinions with no facts!

You seem unaware that you found your views on two assumptions – first that your chum has a clue about Scottish procedures and secondly that an abuse took place.

Next since these points are unknown to you, you state with certainty that the handling procedure was at fault – Oh!

Need I continue as clearly you too have seen NO EVIDENCE.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

70 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 19:14

As I have said, the primary concern is for Hollie, since she was abused. If the abuser of Hollie was an ordinary

71 Greg_L-W. June 4, 2010 at 20:19

Hi,

John with respect I suggest you take the advice you have offered in your last paragraph.

You clearly know nothing of this story.

Be minded there is not one shred of usable evidence that words are put in the mouth of a woman with a mental age of 5 is all too possible.

It is claimed that Hollie Greig was serially and gang raped BY ADULTS, over a period from 6 to 20 yet concealed this from her Mother deliberately and dishonestly – she has manifest no medical evidence of rape, no forensic evidence of rape, no physical evidence of rape and no reaction to gang rape.

There is absolutely no evidence of rape and what Mother would be so uncaring as to have no cogniscence of distress nor signs of laundry. This was a child who, it is claimed, without evidence, had been both vaginally and anally raped WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE!!

We also have a fantasy of the murder of Anne’s brother – again with not a shred of evidence that his death was other than suicide and further more with apparent due cause.

PLEASE take your own advice.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

72 scriabinsdamagedhand June 23, 2010 at 00:31

Greg you used the word rape,in relation to a child,7 times in that rather brief post.
time for a cold shower me thinks.

just for the record,are you the same greg hyphen hyphen that accusses gordon brown of having a taste for rent boys?
the same greg hyphen hyphen who says he has proof that tony blair was tried and convicted for gay sex in a public place

your posts reveal a very strange mind at work,one which you have my sympathy for having to inhabit

dont bother getting yourself all worked up into some self-righteous indignant self important rant because I wont be returning to this awful blog,I feel dirty enough after a single visit.

73 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 20:41

I would have thought Hollie

74 Garibaldi June 4, 2010 at 21:51

Call me naive John but when I first read about this story, my initial reaction was like everyone else’s…it was like one of these crap novels you find in a charity shop bin. Horrifying story and you just couldn’t help but be sucked in by it. But the logic part of my tiny brain nagged me into ditching the emotion …. and I found things much clearer.

I have a very old friend who worked in a woman’s refuge for 16 yrs – the few stories she shared with me over that time would make your flesh creep and eyes water and even she said of this case – no, it would not stand up without concrete evidence. They do not have it she said. What about the girl’s father…thats where any hope of a conviction lies. And she knows, believe me. John, you do not stand a chance in hell of success. Face it, and if you must keep your campaign going then for god’s sake make some major changes quickly before Hollie’s life becomes even more difficult for her. And it will, believe me. None of us baddies are spys or crooks. We are all good people who want what is best for this woman and are fighting to get it, like you. But I do believe we have logic on our side; your team are too damn high on emotion and have seriously cocked things up. Bring them to heel!

75 Greg_L-W. June 5, 2010 at 00:56

Hi,

John do you have evidence to back this contention?

Perhaps the facts gathered relentlessly over well over a year would have helped you.

When did he leave? Why? etc.?

You may tend to be a little more accurate if you had established the facts!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

76 John Banks June 4, 2010 at 23:04

Any allegation of sexual abuse, in the first instance, the named perpetrator would be arrested, and charged. Hollie

77 Greg_L-W. June 5, 2010 at 00:59

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Woops!

Hi,

a very valid THEORY

78 Roger Stevens June 25, 2010 at 21:24

I have been following this alleged abuse story for some time. Originally, I did ask for various pieces of evidence, and none were in fact forthcoming – I believe most of the ‘evidence’ is in fact hearsay or circumstancial, which does not constitute proof at all.

I more or less dismissed the whole thing as yet another conspiracy theory, of the type that abounds all over the internet, from ‘inside jobs’ on 9/11 and 7/7 to lizards in charge of the government.

However, one ot two recent events have intrigued me, over and above the alleged abuse.
Firstly, the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s Shropshire home and the changed locks on the doors – why did this occur ?

Secondly, why isn’t Green being sued for libel ? People have been in the courts for much less than is inferred by his allegations.

Thirdly, there is this Lance Watkins character. I don’t know anything about him – I have no axe to grind. But he is certainly weird – the way he constructs sentences is very very odd – he reminds me of a public schoolboy from the debating society who suffers from arrested development.

However, personality apart, this Lance Watkins has placed some photographs on his blog, which according to Green , can only have been obtained during the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s house. Try as I might, I cannot find where Lance Watkins has stated where he sourced these photographs , or a denial that he got them from the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s house.

Whether Hollie Greig was abused, whether Anne Greig is mentally ill, or Green is a looney, I do not know. But I am very intrigued, and somewhat concerned , about the way that the ‘authorities’ are dealing with this matter.

In particular, since Lance Watkins is ‘holier than thou’ , I would like clarification WHERE he got the photographs of Roy Greig from – just to restore my faith in no-conspiracy-at-all.

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I apologise for the length of this piece. There are a lot of facts to be laid out.

I would also ask before you tell me that I have left this or that fact out that you refer to my original blog post on the subject – I have tried not to repeat myself here.

Comments will be open, especially if you have factual evidence to bring forward. If you come here just to hiss and spit, and treat me to some of the vile and venal abuse that has been bandied around in this case – unless it is especially witty or has some intrinsic merit, it will be deleted.

I have written before on the subject of Robert Green and his ‘campaign’ on behalf of a young female sufferer of Down’s syndrome who, he maintains, was the subject of a vicious and sustained series of rapes by both men and women.

What interests me about this particular case is the fundamental mismatch between, on one hand, the passionate campaign that has raged on Face-book and, on the other, the embarrassingly sparse ‘evidence’ on which it was based.

It has taken me some time to peel away the layers of ‘internet truth’ and to arrive at the essential facts, such as they are, that do exist.

Anne, the girl’s Mother, originally contacted two men to publicise her story. ALL the information that is on the Internet, ALL the firmly held beliefs, ALL the ‘alleged’ evidence, was given to those two men, and emerged into the world via the various means THEY took to publicise the case.

Neither of them was Robert Green. He came into the story later.

Let us take Stuart Usher first. Stuart, a part time Hot Dog salesman runs an organisation called Scotland against Crooked Lawyers and has done for some 10 years or so. It has a website http://www.sacl.org/

Stuart has ‘named and shamed’ some 140 lawyers and judges based in Scotland on his web site regarding a variety of alleged offences, including paedophilia, who, in his opinion, are ‘crooked’. He cites, with great pride, that none of them have ever thought to sue him. Whether this is because his accusations are accurate and they are hanging their head in shame, or because they felt that giving more publicity to wild accusations whilst suing a Hot Dog salesman was possibly counter productive is a matter of opinion.

Still, Stuart Usher was a first hand confident of Anne, the girl’s Mother, and presumably had access to concrete evidence of her claims. Unfortunately, Stuart has decided to withdraw from the case ‘to spend more time with his family’ – as you will find, we end up with a list of people who were ‘in at the beginning’ who have mysteriously melted away.

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Stuart Usher to Paul Drockton

Paul
I have had increased pressure from my family recently with regard to my efforts to help other people. In a nutshell they feel the time has come for me to divert my efforts to support them instead. I have agreed to this as they have suffered badly over the years and I now feel the time has come for me to concentrate my efforts on them.

Mr Usher did not disappear before recording a radio interview which is available on the Internet.

You require patience and dedication to listen to it all the way through. The amateur ‘disc jockey’ suffers interminable technical problems for the first half hour, and after three quarters of an hour of attempting to make sense of Mr Usher’s words, the disc jockey returns to playing some excruciating hard rock…..I nearly lost the will to live, but I was determined to learn at first hand precisely what the claims were.

Mr Usher would tell you that Anne’s daughter was repeatedly raped at the ‘house of Sheriff B’s sister, Evelyn’. This is casualty number one in the search for truth. Sheriff B simply does not have a sister Evelyn. He may well have a dog called Evelyn, a cat even, but no sister.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Mr Usher would also tell you that Anne and her daughter were forced to ‘flee Scotland’ following the ‘murder’ of her brother Roy. Roy had apparently been ‘repeatedly battered over the head with an axe handle’ before being pushed into a car which was set alight in an arson attack.

Now one of the claims which circulates on the Internet is that this unfortunate death was ‘hushed up’ by the authorities, and described as ‘suicide’ when it was murder – the implication is usually that Roy was murdered as a direct result of Anne having laid information with the police a few days earlier. I have repeatedly been told that it was never investigated. Not true.

Whatever the Police investigation amounted to, there was an in depth investigation by an experienced journalist. One Mark Daly of the BBC. Mark Daly is the journalist who according to Robert Green was ‘bullied by his bosses’ into dropping a proposed documentary about the case. This version alternates with one which says that he was silenced by a ‘D’ notice. Mark spoke out on the Face Book group.

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.”
“After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.”

You can hear Mark Daly answering his critics here.

Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg. There the evidence that Roy had been ‘repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle’ so frequently cited, melts away to become a ‘contusion’ on his head. Contusion being the medical term for a common or garden bruise. The ‘broken ribs’ may well owe more to the strenuous efforts – efforts which earned him a medal from the Royal Humane Society – of a passing oil rig worker who pulled Roy Grieg from his car during a filthy storm and in the middle of the night and gave him CPR in an effort to save his life.

Mark Daly had also uncovered something which directly contradicted Anne’s claim that there could be no truth in the Coroner’s verdict that her brother committed suicide – for he had ‘no reason to commit suicide’. Daly discovered that Roy Greig had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing. He had recently travelled to Glasgow to obtain legal assistance in respect of these matters from his union.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Two witnesses down, but fear not. We have more. Next up is Greg Lance-Watkins. Lance-Watkins has spent some 30 years campaigning on behalf of abused children. He runs an ‘enabling’ web site, which helps those children to have their own web site and tell their story under the umbrella of his main web site.   Anne approached him and asked him to publicise her daughter’s story. She explained that she had no internet skills and it was agreed that he would operate the http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ and write it as though it was Hollie telling her own story. Those who claim that Hollie is a competent witness for any trial, and cite as evidence the fact that she ‘willingly’ tells her ‘own’ story on her ‘own’ web site, please take note. Mr Lance-Watkins freely admits that the words are his, using information coming from Hollie’s Mother. In his lay opinion, Hollie has a mental age of under 10.

Lance-Watkins has been in this ‘business’ for many years, and he has had some success at obtaining justice for abused children. He is, like Mark Daly, the journalist, fully aware of the necessity for concrete evidence and strongly advised Anne not to court publicity until such time as they had gathered whatever documentary evidence they could. He was assured it would be forthcoming and was available.

Eventually he managed to gain sight of the autopsy report which was cited as evidence that Anne’s brother had been wickedly battered about the head and murdered. He was slightly non plussed to discover that this only amounted to a ‘contusion’ and even more non plussed to learn of the evidence regarding a possible crime in Roy’s workplace, despite having repeatedly pressed Anne for possible reasons for Roy’s suicide.

Then he pressed Anne for the mysterious medical evidence that showed how Hollie had been brutally anally and vaginally raped for 10 years by this paedophile ring. She finally gave him this document.

It is difficult to read, it is a scanned version of a very bad folded photocopy. With diligence and Photoshop’s enlargement facilities, it is possible however.

Hollie was born at the end of 1979 and here we have a Doctor informing another Doctor that at some time prior to 1992 (the date of the letter) Hollie’s parents had jointly enquired as to the need for contraception for their daughter. It was alleged that Hollie had been making sexual overtures to other children within her special needs facility.

I do not propose to further discuss Hollie’s medical affairs; she is entitled to a darn sight more privacy than she has received so far. Suffice it to say, that those who rest their case that Hollie was ‘sexually abused’ in any form on the supposed ‘medical evidence’, would be well advised to read carefully this letter that Anne Greig claims is the evidence. You will not find one iota of evidence from the Doctor who had intimately examined her that this was so. What you will find is that at one point in her life, Hollie had suffered from a minor yet common ailment which can be transmitted sexually – though that is by no means the only way in which you can acquire it.

One could put this paucity of substantive evidence down to yet another example of the authorities ‘covering up’ the abuse of Hollie – except that this is the very document on which Anne Greig rests her case.

Lance-Watkins now reluctantly admits that he is in the embarrassing position of having been ‘duped’ . He has not precisely joined the ranks of those who have walked away from the story, he is too much of a professional for that, however, he has retired to the sidelines and thrown out an open invitation to the thousands of members of ‘Holly’s Army’ who are fighting for ‘Justice for Hollie’ to step forward with any concrete evidence before he puts his reputation at risk any more.

Predictably he has been roundly abused by all concerned for this. The myth and fallacy that abounds on the Internet is too deeply entrenched for anyone to take cautious heed of the man who spoke for Holly ceasing to speak for Holly – it is ‘obvious’ that he is part of the conspiracy protecting these mythical government figures, either that or he has been ‘bought off’ by strange figures from MI5. The truth that he is no more prepared to put his reputation on the line without evidence than was Mark Daly is too bitter a pill for them to swallow.

Which leaves us with the Facebook Group. The home base of Holly’s 27,000 strong army. Or does it?

For you see Paul Phillips and his girlfriend Plum, who set up that Facebook Group and urged supporters to publicise this horrendous story so successfully – well they too have retired from the fray ‘to spend more time with their family’ – as has Tom George from ScotsVInjustice, another man with lots of experience in these cases who sadly doesn’t have a family, but still feels he can do something more with his time.

The Facebook Group was closed down, but not before some horrendous mudslinging as the original publicists of the story withdrew one by one. I have never before seen such venal and vindictive commentators.

I have come across many people over the past year whilst being heavily involved in Hollie’s case – some who are sincere and genuine people and others who have obvious ulterior motives and should really question why they became involved and whose interests they were really trying to further. I would like to state publicly here that everything stated by Pabs and Plum above is all factual and I regard them both as sincere and genuine people whose motives in Hollie’s case, like mine, were purely altruistic and their detractors should be thoroughly ashamed to have denounced them in the very malicious way they have. They are both good human beings and simply did not deserve the vilification that has spewed forth their way over recent days and weeks.

I have other very serious, sad and tragic cases I am vigorously pursuing presently against the authorities in Edinburgh and, yes, Aberdeen too and I am committed to fulfilling my obligations to the people concerned. I hope my rapidly declining health does not negate me having to pass these cases on to others to help with and I can see some kind of satisfactory resolution for the individuals concerned.

Tom
Edinburgh
ScotsVInjustice@aol.com

So far we have lost the medical evidence of horrendous sexual abuse, lost the medical evidence that Anne’s brother was murdered, lost the experienced campaigners against paedophilia that we started off with, shed several experienced journalists along the way – what are we left with?

We have Robert Green, would be journalist and broadcaster, who wishes to publicise the names of the people he says that Hollie says abused her, some of who like Sheriff B’s sister, simply don’t exist. We have Paul Drockton, broadcasting from somewhere several thousand miles away having never met any of the people involved. We have a newspaper in Palestine still prepared to print these allegations against British government figures – oh and we have a new Facebook group containing all the people who would far rather believe that there is a conspiracy here, than to face the fact that all the people who started this campaign have now faded away into the shadows – awaiting something more concrete than the wild accusations thrown around by a woman who has been tormented by grief and difficulties in life.

Fortunately, we also have the figure of Paula Morris in Hollie’s home town of Shrewsbury, a sensible Social Worker, who is currently looking into the welfare of this deeply vulnerable young woman and whether she is capable of making an informed decision as to whether she should be paraded on radio and Internet as the poster girl for the hysterical Hollie’s Army.

There is considerable sexual abuse of young women (and men) with Down’s syndrome. It is an entrenched problem. It is invariably carried out by those who have easy access to these young people. Fathers, brothers, uncles, both real and phoney, bus drivers, care attendants. In some rare cases, and they are rare compared to the bulk of disgracefully mundane cases of sexual abuse, they will include figures from other walks of life. Yes, even Judges, and policemen.

What Hollie’s Army have succeeded in doing is gaining wide spread recognition of the apparent ‘fact’ – without any evidence – that paedophilia is part and parcel of a government conspiracy, rather than an event which is all around you every day, next door to you even. That it is a celebrity vice. That may please their desire for publicity. It does nothing for the thousands of Down’s Children who need to be protected.

Perhaps all 27,000 of Holly’s Army might care to get themselves CRB checked – those of them who are able to pass such a check, for sure there will be paedophiles amongst these groups – where else will they find constant discussions of the finer points of sexual abuse? And when they have passed their checks, they might care to volunteer to help protect these deeply vulnerable individuals. They will find it most rewarding.

Perhaps a tad boring compared to the glamour of demanding the right to libel most of the Scottish political establishment on the basis of zero evidence and wild accusations.

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The Vermin Now In Support Of Robert Green’s Criminality

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/01/2015

The Vermin Now In Support Of Robert Green’s Criminality

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

 

those following the machinations of the criminal Robert Green and his plea of ‘Guilty’ in Court, to the latest round of charges against him may be interested in this conversation as posted on YouTube:

+Greg L-W. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Sums up your weak reply and complete avoidance to the facts I have given. Proves my point of you being a cowardly little boy. Unless you have something of relevance to say go and crawl back into the hole you came out of kthx
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+SuperEarther
Hi,

You seem to have no valid points to make based on facts, such as there is absolutely zero admissible evidence to support your fantasies and so you reveal your true intellectual abil;ity and resort to abuse and obscenities!You seem to have much in common with this excellent description of the stereotypical Hollie Greig hoax supporter aiding the lies of Robert Green and his cult followers:

@user/pookster78

11 hours ago

MALCOLM KONRAD OGILVY,

I notice you have copied the other conversation from here onto your
facebook account.

I have to say, looking at your facebook I can’t help but feel a bit
sorry for you. I read a bit about the false allegations you made
concerning your own daughter and comments you made about your ex
partner. To give you the benefit of the doubt I looked at her facebook.

I don’t know if she was ever a washout like you but if she was, she
certainly doesn’t look it now. Maybe that’s what eats you up. She looks
clean, healthy and happy. They have a lovely little family unit going on
with positive comments to her friends. In fact, it looks like your
average facebook account.

Compare that to yours. Your facebook is the ramblings of a deranged
manchild obsessed with paedophilia.

You have arguments and paranoia towards “friends” and accuse anyone who
disagrees with you of being a paedophile.

You misread and misinterpret documents you have concerning your
daughters case. You even coached her to say phrases which would imply
she had been abused, and put it on video. Sexualizing your daughter like
that is tantamount to sexual abuse in itself.

Perhaps the saddest part of all is you have no recent pictures of
yourself. Just pictures from a time when you actually were a decent
looking lad. Now you look like Gollum after a 3 week bender in
Amsterdam…like you should be asking people for a spare pound for your
“bus”. Just like Gollum you have become dishevelled,dark, twisted,
paranoid and obsessive. It shows that on some level even you don’t want
to be what you are now, harking back to times gone by.

Your videos are of you bullying middle aged innocent women outside
court. It’s cowardly and pathetic.

You have a video of your mum and don’t seem to realise that the rolling
of eyes and sighing is actually because she has had to listen to
your incessant drivel for years now.

Even on your website, which is supposed to be about justice for a girl
with DS, you call someone a “MONG”. I mean, what the actual fuck is
wrong with you?

This life and world owes you nothing. All your problems are from within
you and only you can change them. If you don’t you risk losing
everything you care about. I don’t think you have what it takes but i’d
love for you to come back here in the future and rub it in my face by
proving me wrong

I have a challenge for you Malcolm. You copied the other conversation to
facebook, I challenge you to copy this too. I challenge you to ask your
friends to be 100% honest with you and tell you if i’m wrong or right.
If the world really is against you, or that you are your own worst
enemy. I may have seemed harsh in what I said but that’s because nobody
else seems to give you the kick up the arse you need. I have probably
been more honest with you in this single comment than your groupies have
ever. The beauty is Malcolm, you know in your own head whether I’m
right or wrong.Therefore, if you want to know which of your “friends”
really are friends, then take the challenge and see who is honest. Allow
the honest ones to help you.

Good LuckDo save yourself the embarrassment of displaying your ignorance in a response.I trust you cope with the rest of your life and its ignorance of reality in your tin foil hat and conspiracy theories hidden in cowardice behind foul language, ill manners, ignorance and a false identity (little wonder!)Regards,Greg_L-Whttp://HollieGreigetc(dot)Wordpress(dot)com.

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+Greg L-W. Really? PS you still have not answered my comment about you trying to setup Malcolm and naming all the people before robert spoke out.

To which I replied:

Hi,

please identify EXACTLY where I am alleged to have ‘set-up’ this character Malcolm and for what do you allege I supposedly ‘set him up’?

As I made very clear I have answered your other question on http://HollieGreigetc(dot)Wordpress(dot)com

Further it was addressed in dertail on the web site under the StolenKids sites of which the Hollie Greig specific site was hacked and removed as it held all the documentary material and media comments mostly in accurate chronological order – including the autopsy and death certificate of Robert (Roy) Greig pertaining to and making very clear his death was a suicide – it also contained factual data showing the suicide to have been uremarkable in any way and understandable in the cirtcumstances.

The site also contained correspondence from Greg Mackie and photographs supplied by him.

The site also showed with factual support the clear rebuttal of many of the more prominent fantasies as promoted by the criminal actions of Robert Green and also by Hollie’s mother Anne and thei ill informed cult followers.

It would seem that the siute was hacked to remove it because it contained cross referemced, documented provenance of the irrefutable fact that there is not one shred of substantive, corroborated admissible evidence in support of the fantasies and allegations put forward by Anne, Robert Green or their odious cult followers – all of whom were made clearly aware, with factual details that the allegations regarding Hollie and Roy Greig were a tissue of lies constructed by Robert Green & Anne.

IF there was one shred of truth in the scam then I challenge those who colluded in the removal of the facts I had posted to supply me with a copy of the site, which I will re-post and discuss in detail with any civil, rational individual willing to put his identity to his comments and postings.

Further I re-iterate my challenge to the fantasists to debate the issue face to face in a public venue – in a civilised and ordered manner.

Robert Green is a criminal as proven and has lied and distorted these issues for his own gain and notoriety and has received absolutely zero support from anyone of credible stature who is informed upon the issue and now he has finally pleaded guilty in Court to the latest related charges.

May I suggest that you make an effort to restore the entire paper trail of facts as was posted on my blog and hackerd and removed by the fantasists.

Once that is done read the details there and on my present web site and until adequately informed save yourself from the embarrassment of further making a fool of yourself.

May I add, when armed with the facts, as I have outlined, you may even have the confidence and integrity to use your real name for your apology to those you have abused and insulted.

Until then farewell to you.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
http://HollieGreigetc(dot)Wordpress(dot)com

 

+SuperEarther Lol, breaching court ethics, this is YT buddy.

What will the charge be “knowing things about someone”?

I will tell you a little story:
I came to YT and commented on a video concerning Hollie Greig. Malcolm then commented me calling me a “Hoax cunt” and that “give us a shout next time you’re in Glenshee”

Now, the reason he mentioned Glenshee is because he Googled my user name and seen me comment on a video about snowboarding at Glenshee. What Malcolm did was give a veiled threat. I decided therefore to investigate his username “holliegreig justice”.

During that search I found someone give his real name. I then googled his real name and found his facebook. ALL the information in my previous post is found on his facebook. I am not on his friends list so the information I found is open to the public. It is not a crime to know public information. Further, on his facebook you will see screenshots of my previous comment on this video. Malcolm also comments that “Scotty” is kicking their asses. Malcolm means you. Maybe you are David Scott who apparently made the above court description, but I am certainly not “Maggs”.

It’s funny isn’t it:
-Malcolm stands on a public street accusing innocent people of being child abusers.
– Malcolm accuses the police of covering up and being suspect paedos, giving their names and numbers on his facebook (might be a good idea he deletes those before you call the police).
– Malcolm accuses people on here of being paedos or paedo enablers.

Yet what is the first thing you bozos do when someone confronts you, or like Redprovo, accuses you guys of being paedos?…that’s right….you run to the very police you accuse of covering up a satanic paedophile ring. Cowardly little hypocrites. Especially that Robert Green. A man who will give lectures and appear on tv shows calling people paedophiles. Yet, when confronted and asked questions he runs away and suddenly can’t speak.

You guys are pathetic scum, plain and simple.

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+pookster78

Hi,

I do agree with you.

It is also astonishing to note just how similarly these odious people behave to many actual already proven paedophiles in their vile language, ready willingness to insult and abuse and their desperation to deflect any rational discourse which could risk exposing true paedophiles, who are so like these unpleasant criminals.

They seem to delight in competing with eachother to see how obscene and abusive they can be and get away with it. They are truelly the under belly of society, those who make decent folk turn away from exposing paedophelia and abuse for fear of being tarred with the same brush as these vile social pariahs.

One is forced to wonder just howmany of them are themselves either practicing or on the verge of paedophelia – You will note they have absolutely no comprehension of just how close verbal and physical abuse are to the sexual abuse of children by such inadequates.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
http://HollieGreigetc(WordPress(dot)com

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ENOUGH:

I believe that small sample will tell you all you need to know about the vile supporters in the cult following of Robert Green’s confessed criminality!

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The Stereotypical Hollie Greig Conspiracy Supporter

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/01/2015

The Stereotypical Hollie Greig Conspiracy Supporter.

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

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Hi,

I was interested to read a comment on a partyicularly foolish YouTube article reporting Robert Green’s plea of guilty in court on the 21-Jan-2015, which was particularly misleading and ill informed at best and merely dishonest in potential.

The posting was most interesting as it so exemplified the majority of those who have been duped by the lies of Anne Greig & Robert Green in their abuse of Hollie Greig for their own ends – those who are still making fools of themselves despite the irrefutable fact that the hoax they had foist on the publoc about allegations of sexual abuse and that her uncle Robert (Ray) Greig’s suicide was some sort of murder – a conspiracy theory for which there is not one shred of evidence in the face of death certificate, autopsy, police reports and more that ALL show every reason why this was a suicide.

This comment placed on the YouTube web site at:
https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=PydXRHhtIC0

So typifies the style and behaviour of the cult following of the tinfoil hat brigade still following and promoting the lies that I felt it worthy of reproduction:

MALCOLM KONRAD OGILVY,
I notice you have copied the other conversation from here onto your facebook account. I have to say, looking at your facebook I can’t help but feel a bit sorry for you.
I read a bit about the false allegations you made concerning your own daughter and comments you made about your ex partner.
To give you the benefit of the doubt I looked at her facebook. I don’t know if she was ever a washout like you but if she was, she certainly doesn’t look it now.
Maybe that’s what eats you up. She looks clean, healthy and happy. They have a lovely little family unit going on with positive comments to her friends. In fact, it looks like your average facebook account.
Compare that to yours.
Your facebook is the ramblings of a deranged manchild obsessed with paedophilia. You have arguments and paranoia towards “friends” and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a paedophile.
You misread and misinterpret documents you have concerning your daughters case.
You even coached her to say phrases which would imply she had been abused, and put it on video. Sexualizing your daughter like that is tantamount to sexual abuse in itself.
Perhaps the saddest part of all is you have no recent pictures of yourself. Just pictures from a time when you actually were a decent looking lad.
Now you look like Gollum after a 3 week bender in Amsterdam…like you should be asking people for a spare pound for your “bus”.
Just like Gollum you have become dishevelled, dark, twisted, paranoid and obsessive. It shows that on some level even you don’t want to be what you are now, harking back to times gone by.
Your videos are of you bullying middle aged innocent women outside court. It’s cowardly and pathetic.
You have a video of your mum and don’t seem to realise that the rolling of eyes and sighing is actually because she has had to listen to your incessant drivel for years now.
Even on your website, which is supposed to be about justice for a girl with Downs Syndrome, you call someone a “MONG”.
I mean, what the actual fuck is wrong with you?
This life and world owes you nothing.
All your problems are from within you and only you can change them. If you don’t you risk losing everything you care about.
I don’t think you have what it takes but i’d love for you to come back here in the future and rub it in my face by proving me wrong.
I have a challenge for you Malcolm.
You copied the other conversation to facebook, I challenge you to copy this too.
I challenge you to ask your friends to be 100% honest with you and tell you if i’m wrong or right.
If the world really is against you, or that you are your own worst enemy.
I may have seemed harsh in what I said but that’s because nobody else seems to give you the kick up the arse you need.
I have probably been more honest with you in this single comment than your groupies have ever.
The beauty is Malcolm, you know in your own head whether I’m right or wrong.
Therefore, if you want to know which of your “friends” really are friends, then take the challenge and see who is honest.
Allow the honest ones to help you.
Good Luck.

I found it quite incredible just howmany of the inadequates supporting the lies of sexual abuse of Hollie and the suicide of Roy Greg this comment could have been about – in fact almost all of the bitter twisted conspiracy theworists even including those making money from the scam, either directly or indirectly like Robert Green, Peter Eyre, David Icke, Belinda McKenzie, Brian Gerrish and also those who have built their sad sick lives around their particular interests in paedophelia and the sexual abuse of children and those who may dare to seek the truth rather than perpetuate the conspiracies and fantasies like Matt Quinn, George McKendrick, Sandy Fox, and so many others – including those too ashamed of themselves to use their real names!

I await an accurate plausible soundly sourced report on Robert Green’s one honest day in court so far, in which he pleaded guilty on the 21-Jan-2015 – I will then publish the report and the details of the summary and sentencing on 04-Mar-20125.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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The Lies of Robert Green & The Hollie Greig Hoax

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/06/2014

The Lies of Robert Green & The Hollie Greig Hoax:

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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The Lies of Robert Green
&
The Hollie Greig Hoax:

ROBERT GREEN’S LIES – HIS TRIAL – AMAZINGLY THEN SEEKS PROTECTION FROM THE “CORRUPT” SCOTTISH JUDICIARY….

 

Posted by: In: Jon Stevenson & Maggs Shaw 02 Jun 2014 

A SHORT MONTAGE FEATURING SOME OF ROBERT GREEN’S LIES.Here are some examples, of which there are many more, but we have put just these few together to show you how Robert Green will change his story, or to put it simply, blatantly lie in order to seek credibility for the fantasies he insists are true. The story is so full of holes now it is sinking faster than it is possible to keep up with.

 

 

psychiatric report - anne elizabeth mackie 05 Hollie into care

 

Robert Green went back to Aberdeen Sheriff Court on 30th May 2014 in order his defence could submit pleads of “Competency and Relevance.”

 

When we arrived,  Belinda McKenzie was setting up her wares outside the Aberdeen Court, pulling a battered old shopping trolley full of leaflets and a piece of 3×2 with a shoddy looking Hollie Demands Justice  poster stuck to it.

 

Sadly, when she became aware of our presence, she tail hiked it out of there,  almost getting run over in the process, and then proceeded to set up ‘stall’ on the street corner a little further down the road.

 

 

This was viewed as extremely odd behaviour.   For the last few years Belinda has used a megaphone, just to make sure everyone could hear her, it seemed as if it was almost welded to her mouth.  Of course that was used during the period everyone believed her, when everyone thought the ‘story’ was true, and she could command a more than willing audience.   Belinda running away!?  testimony to the fact…. Belinda is not happy at all to answer questions…she is far happier, and much more in her comfort zone…  to ‘tell’ people.      Or, was her sharp exit something to do with her not wanting the ‘new friend’ that accompanied her to the  Court being made aware of the 75 million pounds that just disappeared, went missing, from the coffers of Iran Aid, a Charity that Belinda was involved in.   Or,  perhaps,  is it possible her new friend is part of the ‘new venture’, one that Belinda is helping to set up  ….strangely enough…another charity.  The Knight Foundation.

 

 

With only 10 minutes to go before Court opened, we decided to make our way into the court building where we found Mr Green sitting all alone outside Court number 4 waiting for the doors to open.

 

“How do you see it going to day Robert” he was asked, to which his reply was “can’t speak” with a wave of his hand and then a dash to the Police to look for protection.

 

Robert complained that we were trying to talk to him – no doubt he used more flowery language than that when reporting to the Police, but, these are the same Police Robert has, for more than four years now, over and over again called “corrupt, paedophile protectors, Freemasons and pronouncing they simply could not be trusted – not to mention accusing them of covering up murder for which the entire Scottish Judiciary are involved.

 

During the hearing the Sheriff informed all that no one was to attempt to communicate with Robert, and should they do so they would be committing contempt of court and could come up on charges in front of his honour.

 

UPDATE SUNDAY 1ST JUNE  from the anonymous author on Free Robert Green

 

“Attempts by the Hollie Greig Hoax campaign to engage Robert in conversation, against the restrictions placed on him by the court, were again reported to the police by Robert. They were also brought to the attention of the court by Robert’s QC and the Sheriff warned that this behaviour must stop or those responsible could be held in contempt of court. So Robert should not be troubled further in this way. A small issue but another example of the court defending Robert’s rights.”

 

At last, Robert has finally realised.  He is not allowed to communicate with anyone about this matter.   Unfortunately,  it has taken 4 years for him to fully understand, but during this time, it has taken,  two terms in prison, two interdicts, many arrests, cost the tax payer thousand and thousands of pounds, distressed his family, and many innocent people he accused of being paedophiles, incited hate against these people, and, willfully, and purposefully repeatedly called the Scottish Judiciary corrupt.

 

In view of the last sentence in the above quote, we trust that Robert will be retracting his statements about the Scottish Judiciary.

 

Robert might find this difficult though because Sheriff Fleetwood declared that Sheriff G Buchanan was in fact his adversary a few years ago.  So seemingly they are friends. Will Mr Green be placing him on his ‘hit’ list too?   That is quite doubtful judging by the smiles and joviality towards Sheriff Fleetwood by Robert – he is probably grateful for his assistance.

 

For was it not Mr Green that claimed there was a massive cover up of a paedophile ring involving high ranking members of the Scottish Judiciary?  Hypocrisy? Irony? or just down right stupidity on Mr Green’s behalf! Robert knew in June 2010 that Sheriff Buchanan was NOT involved with the Hollie Greig case, and that he did not have a sister or sister in law named Evelyn, nor is his brother named Jack!

 

But Robert carried on regardless.

 

No doubt supporters will find it hard to believe the Scottish Judiciary are now protecting “Robert Green” …..

 

…another quote from the article

 

“No longer is Robert treated as an interloper and troublemaker, the court is far more measured, far more neutral. Just as in the case of the previous bail hearing, there is a visible public fairness being displayed.”

 

It always has been, it is just that conspiracy theorists DON’T want it to be.  Perhaps,  Mr Green might make a public apology to the Scottish Judiciary he has so viciously persecuted during the last few years. Strange situation, because, as pointed out previously, Mr Green  ran to the very people he claims are corrupt and are child abusers… I am not sure if there is a word in the Oxford/English dictionary which could describe this scenario, unless anyone would care to invent one?

 

Now of course, when Robert feels the need, the Scottish Police are his trustworthy protectors and upholders of the law.  Have no doubt, he will now see these tyrants in a new light.    Will  Brian Gerrish be able to refrain from including Sheriff Fleetwood on his comprehensive, unseen  list of other corrupt Scottish paedophile criminals you so often hear him talk about…?

 

Here’s an excerpt from “Hollie Demands Justice:”

 

“It would seem that the Scottish crown, has enabled the alleged abusers to find a method of resolution, at no cost, allowing them to hide behind the judiciary, aiding and abetting a Sheriff who, seemingly had access to the public purse in pursuit of the arrest of Robert Green on a breach of the peace charge so that he could be silenced.”

 

And here is a letter Robert penned recently,  while in prison,  again clearly showing him abusing and defaming the Scottish Judiciary:

 

PN 125799

HMP PERTH

3 EDINBURGH RD

PERTH

PH2 8AT

Hello Belinda

I am currently reading about the horrific Marc Dutroux case in Belgium and the comparisons between the Belgian authorities and their Scottish equivalents over Hollie’s case are alarmingly similar and almost as chilling.

It is hard to credit a political system with the slightest perception of civilisation when it consistently refuses to bring the perpetrators of such horrors to justice, particularly when some are known to the authorities, as demonstrated by the contents of the police intelligent report.

I do not know if or when I shall be freed, but thank you for everything. Please tell Hollie from me that any honour I receive or am nominated for will be first and foremost, dedicated to her!

Very best wishes

Robert

 

Marc Dutroux case – There was widespread anger and frustration among Belgians due to police errors, the general slowness of the investigation and Dutroux’s claims that he was part of a sex ring that included high-ranking members of the police force and government. This suspicion that Dutroux had been, or was being, protected, and anger over the outcome, culminated when the popular judge in charge of investigating the claims was dismissed on the grounds of having participated in a fund-raising dinner for the girls’ parents. The investigation itself was wrapped up. His dismissal and end of the investigation resulted in a massive protest march (the “White March”) of 300,000 people on the capital, Brussels, in October 1996, two months after Dutroux’s arrest, in which demands were made for reforms of Belgium’s police and justice system.

 

Of course, it’s been a long term aim of both Robert Green and Brian Gerrish of the UK Column to link genuine cases to Hollie Greig, and this is yet another attempt to do just that. But it once again shows Green’s contempt for the Scottish Judiciary, even though throughout his hearing he was smiling and laughing along with Sheriff Fleetwood in those moments of digress……Hypocrisy should be Mr Green’s middle name but we must remember he is yet another victim in all of this – and his deteriorating mental state is now clearly visible….

 

For around two hours the Court heard Green’s defence barrister argue that the Crown’s accusations were neither competent or relevant.  He sighted many different cases in an attempt to weigh his argument for which Sheriff Fleetwood was most courteous and gave him plenty of time to fully explain his somewhat semantic legal points of law as well as confirming that Robert broke his harassment order by sending letters, emails, blog writing and appearing on a TV internet show – just as we have always maintained.

 

It didn’t take long however for Prosecutor Mackintosh to further explain the Crown’s position which seemed to completely override the defence and push this case further down the road to a full trial – or if Robert knows what is good for him a plea of “Guilty” for which he should be released as he has served half of a sentence applicable for such an offence.

 

Indeed that is what we believe will happen in the coming weeks – around 6 weeks to be precise it will be decided whether the case against Green should be thrown out, found guilty, or a trial will begin but whatever the outcome Robert Green is unlikely to see anymore jail time but will cost the Scottish Tax Payer more of their hard earned cash.

 

Mr Green might fall into the trap, the trap being set for him, enticing him to carry on with this fruitless, futile campaign by being informed that some anonymous MP has put his name forward for nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize

 

“Perhaps the letter writing, and Nobel Prize nominating action by supporters and Roberts quiet determination that justice and truth are worth fighting for is having an effect. We must keep up the work of course, but the last two court appearances have given the Hollie Greig campaign something it lacked during the dark days around the Stonehaven trial – legitimate hope”

 

 

Gillian Swanson on May 21, 2014 at 12:20 pm said commenting on Free Robert Green.
 

“Oh mentioned the Nobel Prize Nomination – this was given a lot of attention on the UK Column News yesterday, some people had been saying it wasn’t genuine, because of the MP not being named, but Brian Gerrish said this was nonsense, he knew the MP in question, and he has the support of others. Would it be a good idea to send copies of the nomination letter along with letters and e-mails ?”

 

Unfortunately Brian Gerrish refrains from showing anyone anything!  He still refuses, or more likely, cannot produce any evidence or testimony”  outlining his ‘success stories’ concerning anti child abuse campaigning.  It might be prudent to take anything Mr Gerrish says with a massive pinch of salt.  Yes,  why is it that Belinda is reluctant to publish the emails/letters concerning Mr Green and the Nobel Peace Prize?  Could it be they do not have any?   Has anyone seen confirmation from the anonymous MP?

 

Mr Green will be attending Court in July.  We will also be there to hear the decision live and will report on it asap. Whatever the conclusion in this case you can bet on one thing – we will continue to watch Robert with a keen eye and should he once again break his court order we will have no hesitancy in letting the authorities know about it while still trying to bring to justice the other perpetrators – Yes -you know who you are!

 

Mr Green, not permitted to talk about the Hollie Greig Case, magic to many people’s ears…..long may it reign.

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  1. Posted by Greg Lance – Watkins, [aka Greg_L-W.] 04 Jun 2014 at 12:16 am Reply

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    Hi,

    although, having shown and proved that the Hollie Greig stories of sexual abuse and the claims regarding her uncle Roy’s suicide were clearly and undeniably a hoax, or to put it more accurately an unsustainable tissue of lies and fantasies some years ago I am astonished that the rascal Robert Green is still permitted to waste the time and money of tax payers with his fabrications and lies.

    Possibly even more surprising is the fact that there are still low lifes and scoundrels who still claim to believe his lies and support his odious behaviour.

    One can understand crooks like Brian Gerrish, David Icke and Belinda McKenzie continuing to try to promote the scam as it seems they seek, in one way or another, to profit from the perpetuation of the lies but the claque of fools determined not to address the facts and unable to accept that there is absolutely no evidence to back the claims that can be considered admissible in any rational court of law is now beyond doubt and every crumb put forward has been shown to be wrong, a lie or inadequate.

    As is a matter of record: I denounced the scam some years ago and exposed many of the lies and liars in the cult surrounding Anne Mackie/Greig and her fantasies surrounding her daughter and family.

    I also made very public my apologies to anyone I may have embarrassed in the early years of Anne Mackie’s promotion of the scam, which I freely accept I was wrong to do having been lied to by Anne, Robert Green and Stuart Usher

    I am happy to yet again apologise if I caused any embarrassment in my willingness to try and assist and support someone who ‘claimed’ to be a victim and have sought to make amends for my early gullibility by exposing the hoax and showing it to be unfounded and unsustainable.

    I am happy to endorse the actions of those involved in the web site >TheHollieGreigCoverUp.net< and the facts they provide which I believe, in the light of the evidence, to be fair, responsible and a presentation of facts.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
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    for more details see:
    http://HollieGreigetc.wordpress.com

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>ROBERT GREEN – THE CONSEQUENCES OF RESPONSIBILITY!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/02/2014

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It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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>ROBERT GREEN – THE CONSEQUENCES OF RESPONSIBILITY!

 

WILL Robert Green EVER LEARN?
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE
THERE WAS NO CRIME
THERE IS ONLY A HOAX

 

 

   

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As Robert Green begins his 3 months on remand, the likes of Brian Gerrish, Louise Collins, David Icke, Sonia Poulton and other supporting “Alternative Media” hacks are enjoying their liberty.

All of them have used The Hollie Greig case for their own ends and to promote their wares.  It really is a disgrace that these so called “supporters” take no responsibility whatsoever for Robert’s plight and he is yet to serve another sentence at the end of this current one.

We would like to know what Robert’s family think and I would ask that they contact us using our contact form or at: group@theholliegreigcoverup.net

For new readers here is a quick summary of some of the evidence:

1. The Forensic medical evidence showed NO signs of abuse.

2. Robert claimed “Hollie was minibused with other children to the home of the Sheriff’s sister’s where the majority of the abuse took place.” The Sheriff has no sister. In any event, Anne named the wrong sheriff as she mixed him up with the sheriff who was overseeing her divorce – a divorce that has never been finalised because we believe Anne still wants money from the house in Portugal after selling their house in Aberdeen and all its belongings including her husbands computer that is often cited as something the Police should have looked at!

3. The “other children” have made public statements saying they were never abused.

4. In Hollies’ Police interview, she named people that simply don’t exist.

5. The independent Police investigation (PCCS) clearly show the lack of trust in Hollies testimony not only by Police but by trained Appropriate Adult specialists. They also suspeced Anne had coached Hollie.

This is only a snapshot of evidence for a campaign spanning several years. A campaign where many stories have changed between Anne Greig and Robert Green. In one YouTube video, Robert Green stated Hollie had witnessed a ritual murder!!

Almost all of the supporters of this campaign are either Alternative Media hacks that are exploiting Anne, Hollie and Robert for their own purposes, or individuals who have been in trouble with either the Police or other authorities and are on their own revenge mission.

As far as the Alternative Media are concerned, we would like to share with you a recent email we received that outlines their exploitation perfectly.

Linda Steel
E-mail:XXXXXXXX@msn.com
Subject:Memories
Pick a date:21/02/2014
Message: I was watching UK Column Live yesterday and they did this large portion on Robert Greens’ arrest and ‘rendition’ to Scotland. How the authorities had tried to section him and how awful it was that this poor man had undergone such trauma at the hands of the police.

I have had emails from Brian Gerrish about this case. I watch the programme often, and a lot of what they cover is really informative, but I told him that they could well lose their reputation if they carried on supporting this case.
There may well be paedophiles within the Scottish establishment and for victims of abuse, carrying on supporting The Hollie Greig case would do them no good. As an ex nurse I wanted to write for them on the high jacking and selling off of the NHS, but because I didn’t believe this mother and that this was just a disturbed woman, I was told that if I didn’t believe this story, I couldn’t possibly write for them.

In other words, I couldn’t be part of their truth movement if I didn’t believe in their truth.
The emails went back and forth, he tried to convince me I was wrong, but no matter what I said, he just refused to believe that this was all tosh. I have sent you the PDF file because it is an article on Downs Syndrome memory, and you mentioned it within the clip you played.

As for their statements that Downs Syndrome sufferers are incapable of telling lies, that is all tosh too. Of course they can fib just like the rest of us. The biggest thing for me is the fact that there are no other victims. Only the ones they named, and even they have come forward to refute that they were ever abused.

Many people have seen the truth in the last few years. I heard about it and thought it was awful, until I saw them with Theo Chalmers in that very interview. The way Anne looked at Theo when she thought he may be questioning their honesty spoke volumes.
If looks could kill.

That’s when I knew these were false allegations. Being a nurse for so long, I suppose my bullshit monitor is more sensitive than most. I really hope that at some point, she will either be uncovered as a fraud, or eventually breaks down and confesses what she has done. I hope Hollie gets her family back before it is too late.

Just in case the PDF document won’t open, I am giving you the website address. http://www.down-syndrome.org/reviews/2068/reviews-2068.pdf

This pdf evidence makes clear the weakness in memory in Down Syndrome which once again proves the lies of Anne and Robert
. Here is a snapshot but you can read it in full here.

Thank you Linda.

This email shows clearly how Brian Gerrish and the UK Column operate and we have more like this one but we never publish anything without authorisation to do so and many people are simply afraid.

When we first contacted Brian in the hope we could have a dialogue with him, he simply refused. He lied about our team and eventually he accused Jon of abusing Hollie also.

What makes things difficult is that the UK Colum can publish genuine information at times – but their refusal to acknowledge real, irrefutable evidence and to claim that an entire country of Scotland is one giant conspiracy is nothing more than completely irrational and therefore they simply cannot be trusted.

In their broadcast on Thursday 20th February 2014 Brian alleged the authorities tried to section Robert in what he called a “Snakes Nest” – we predicted this in our blog dated Wednesday 19th February 2014.

Brian also claimed there was a contradiction between the Police doctor and the psychiatric doctors at Cornhill mental institution.

As we stated in our blog, unless Robert is a danger either to himself or others, or agrees treatment there is nothing either the Police or authorities can do.

The doctors at Cornhill would have pronounced him “untreatable.”

Sadly, the same can be said for Sonia Poulton also.

Sonia allowed Robert Green air time to promote his campaign but promised us a right of reply.

We contacted Sonia on many occasions before the interview took place but she never replied. We contacted her after the interview but she never replied. We took her acquiescence as an attack on innocent people therefore we told her what we thought through social media.

Then Sonia claimed we bullied and harassed her and complained that we had reported her and her broadcast to OFCOM – which we did. However she maintained she was still willing to speak to us but it would have to wait until she found a new platform and despite her saying she had many things in the pipeline nothing has appeard to date.

We recently requested a Skype conversation but once again she ignored us and came out in support of Robert after his arrest.

Once again we told her what we thought and once again she accused us of bullying and harassing her.

Here are the message between Sonia and Jon.

• Conversation started 28 December 2013
28/12/2013 19:46
Jon Stevenson
So – you deleted my comment and blocked me – ok.
You know, we have a lot in common Sonia, if you’d have had a conversation with me when I called you, you would realise that.
For instance, I agree with your world view, (mostly lol) – I agree with your political view and much of your opinion on your show.
I pride myself in always apologising when I’m wrong – do you?

Come ‘on Sonia, you’re a tough cookie – a few difficult questions on Twitter hardly constitute those allegations you levelled at me eh?
There’s a lot wrong with this country, politically and economically.

But you simply cannot get passed the facts and the evidence of the Hollie Greig case.

How do you explain the lack of forensic medical evidence for instance?

I wonder how long you have known David Icke?

We did try to contact him years ago but he refused to have a dialogue with us – have you asked him why?
The Hollie Greig case is not an establishment cover up Sonia, and if you have taken an objective look at the evidence you will know this.

I think you are a decent person Sonia, so what are you going to do about this?

You can talk to us/me in confidence if you wish – and I hope you will.

Better still, you can have an in confidence conversation with me and one of the wrongly accused, Wyn, and hear it direct for yourself.
Of course I’m never going to stop working with these innocent victims until they’re vindicated so I hope to speak to you soon.
Kind regards.
Jon

• 29 December 2013
29/12/2013 20:44
Sonia Poulton
Listen Jon, I have never accused anyone of anything all I have said is why haven’t people been interviewed about the allegations. I think it was highly disrespectful of you to come on my personal fb page and accuse me of the things you did. I AM a fair person and I AM prepared to listen to people but I am not prepared to take bs from anyone and some of your original approaches to me were not acceptable. I am prepared to talk further in the new year because that is the type of person I am, if someone has something to say then generally I will listen to them.

• 30 December 2013
• 30/12/2013 01:09
Jon Stevenson
HI Sonia and thanks for the reply – i do appreciate it.

I also appreciate your sentiments and I do understand your frustration and anger.

We have been trying to vindicate those wrongly accused for years now Sonia, and regardless of the evidence none of those making or supporting the allegations of Robert Green, have ever agreed to discuss this with us. They completely ignored our repeated requests for a dialogue to discuss the evidence.

That is not because of our, or my approach I stress to add.

If you look objectively at the messages we originally sent yourself (I say we because everything that happens has the consensus of our group) including the emails we sent to your website, I’m sure you will see they were cordial and informative – If you can now access them.

We also emailed Anne Greig personally asking her to talk with us – Wyn was Anne’s best friend for over 6 years Sonia and she cared about the whole family including Hollie deeply.

After the way we have been treated by the likes of David Icke, Brian Gerrish et al, (Brian even accused me of abusing Hollie in an email exchange I had with him when I explained I had met her) we/I don’t have much time for these individuals now – consequently I thought you were simply closing ranks with them – hence my latest approach and I apologise if it caused you distress.

That’s not an excuse Sonia, I simply want you to understand what not only the falsely accused have gone through, but those now supporting them. We have been called a variety of things including paedophiles, paedophile protectors, shills, Government agents and much more.

But something told me that you were different and that I had it wrong – which is why I messaged you via my personal Facebook profile – and I’m happy to say it seems I was right – thanks again for replying.

I know you haven’t accused anyone Sonia, but by giving Robert a platform, and such a big platform (David has a large following), you have supported his allegations and caused further alarm to those wrongly accused.

After all, you didn’t really put any difficult questions to him.

Seriously Sonia, please consider how they must feel – or think of that question I put to you. How would you feel if someone managed to convince thousands of people that you were a paedophile, and then published your name and address on the internet?
There were 27,000 members of their Facebook group at one stage.

I can tell you Sonia that they are concerned that this story will once again grow and Wyn has already had her car vandalised because of the publication of her name and address by Robert Green.

You have also asked why people haven’t been interviewed – but many have Sonia, regardless what Robert Green says.
Let me remind you of one of Robert asscertations.

“The majority of abuse happened in the home of the Sheriff’s sister”
The sheriff doesn’t have a sister Sonia – How can the police interview someone that doesn’t exist?

Robert never performed a simple births, deaths and marriages search – he simply believed what Anne was saying. Anne mistook the sheriff for the one that presided over her divorce – a divorce that she has never completed!

Robert later claimed he meant the sister-in-law. But the sheriff never had a sister-in-law either.

This is just one example of many, I will leave the rest for our conversation.

If you wish I can assure you that conversation remains private – given your position at TPV perhaps it would be better if you kept it private your end also for now – but you will perhaps be in a better position to make that judgement yourself. I only say this because at one point Ayem did reply to us, only to vanish soon after. I have no idea if she is still working with David or not. I do know that all posts regarding HG on David’s forums were removed and many people were banned.

Anyhow, believe it or not we do enjoy your show Sonia and I think we can say there is desperation within people in this country to bring to an end all the corruption that we see on an almost daily basis – and defend our children also!
Look forward to speaking with you in the New Year – have great one and all the best to you and your family.
Kind regards
Jon

• 6 January
06/01/2014 15:33
Jon Stevenson
Hey, are you ok?
Just read the announcement by TPV.

06/01/2014 15:55
Jon Stevenson
For what it’s worth Sonia, i don’t feel that is you they are describing.

• 7 January
07/01/2014 18:58
Jon Stevenson
Hi – an interesting statement but i am completely unsurprised.

I personally totally agree with you on transparency. Every single penny should be accounted for and it wouldn’t be at all difficult to show this. I have always maintained this in anything using public money.

Have to say that Hollie Demands Justice have also always refused to show where their donations have gone also.
I’m sorry for you Sonia, because as I’ve said, this country needs a “Peoples Voice” but because of my experience with David, i never had any doubt this wouldn’t work.

When i saw you were a presenter i thought David had made a really bad choice – bad for him.
Although i believe you made a mistake interviewing Robert Green, it’s obvious you have more integrity than possibly anyone i know – apart from me.

I too can be a fiery character, and i will always do my best to protect vulnerable people.

Two things.
“I would be more than happy to debate TPV with David Icke, Sean Adl-Tabatabai and Liz Roberts on camera and in a neutral environment. I have nothing to hide.”

In my experience this will never happen. Once you show David to be wrong, he will never talk to you. We have tried countless times to have a dialogue with him – he has always refused.

I hope Liz and Adl have the courage to back you up – get rid of David and TPV could be great!

“Despite repeatedly saying that ‘presenters have free-will’ David Icke did not hesitate to make known some of his dissatisfactions with me inviting on guests whom he had fallen out with in the past.”

I’m bound to ask, is this us?
I would still like to talk to you – when you’re ready of course.
If there’s anything we can do to help you Sonia, just ask.
Kind regards
Jon

• 10 January
10/01/2014 18:51
Jon Stevenson
Hi Sonia – I have had a conversation with Gareth Icke – can you confirm you booked Robert Green without any outside influences?
I appreciate your bound to be busy but if you could just pop me a quick reply i would really appreciate it – I’ll leave you alone for a while then to sort all this mess out.
Thanks
Jon

• 12 January
12/01/2014 10:29
Sonia Poulton
that is correct Jon, although David supported the decision as he knew Robert before I did. take care, Sonia

12/01/2014 12:14
Jon Stevenson
Thanks Sonia.
Regards

• 24 January
24/01/2014 20:14
Jon Stevenson
Hi Sonia – I’m sure you have seen this but just in case. http://motherdamnable.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-fatal-flaws-at-peoples-voice_20.html?m=1
Wyn and I would still like to speak to you if you still agree?

Mother Damnable returns: The Fatal Flaws at “The People’s Voice”
motherdamnable.blogspot.com
“I am a rose of Sharon, a wild strawberry of the valleys. As a lily amongst brambles so is my best beloved among the daughters” The song of Solomon 2:1-2

• 25 January
25/01/2014 14:37
Sonia Poulton
I’ve seen it Jon, there is more to come out trust me. I am still up for interviewing you but I need a new platform first.

25/01/2014 16:57
Jon Stevenson
Look forward it all coming out lol.

You wouldn’t want to do a recorded Skype conversation then?


We need a People’s Voice Sonia, but we need one with integrity.

Originally I supported the Hollie campaign but after about 4 days of listening to all of Roberts videos, and of him saying “we have the evidence” but not showing any, I started to ask for it.

When I got it, it was quite ridiculous, and after further investigation, I knew I had been duped.

Then began my journey into the world of alternative media – and I have to say that many that are involved it, are far worse than our mainstream media!

If you get a new platform Sonia, and you’re doing it for the right reasons (which I feel you would be) dealing with the likes of Belinda McKenzie, Brian Gerrish & Bill Maloney et al, will do you no favours I assure you.

You will have to choose sides between them and the likes of Scriptonite, who it seems, is a genuine individual along with others like Chris Martenson – TPV couldn’t even spell his name correctly when he was interviewed.

There is more than enough corruption out there without resorting to these individuals including the likes of David Icke.
Quite honestly, I have no idea why you teamed up with him in the first place – but I guess it’s easy to be clever with hindsight. But without doubt, the man has no integrity – I know I keep using that word, but it is important.

Gareth said to me he was going to speak to his dad about the Hollie campaign – I won’t hold my breath lol.

I really hope you get a platform Sonia, but I also hope it won’t be filled with cooks and dimwits that see conspiracy around every corner without doing any real research.
Regards
Jon

• 13 February
13/02/2014 23:14
Jon Stevenson
Not sure if you have heard but Robert Green has been arrested today – just wondered if you have a comment as it seems you’re not up for a Skype conversation?

14/02/2014 01:27
Jon Stevenson
Sonia – i see on the grapevine that you are aware of Robert’s arrest and apparently your “appalled” by the situation.
I really don’t get it??

Are you really suggesting you sympathise with this convicted criminal and his continued abuse of innocent people?

You did promise us a right of reply (remember?) and with or without a platform you could have agreed to a Skype conversation – so what are we to make of your position now?

Perhaps you have still not looked at all the evidence of this case but regardless will you please be honest (as you always claim to be) and tell us where we stand?

In the wake of your TPV exit you certainly seemed to be a person of integrity so I’m confused by your latest apparent stance.
You may be unaware but you are now being promoted on the net as a supporter of Robert Green – would that be correct?
Jon

• 14 February
14/02/2014 18:59
Jon Stevenson
Sonia – I just want to say that you, along with The UK Column and all other supporters of Robert Green are completely responsible for what is happening to him right now!

Because no reasonable, rational person, after looking at the evidence could support him or his campaign.

A child abused for 14 years and no forensic medical evidence showing any abuse – Hollie naming people that don’t even exist and children accused of being victims making public statements saying they were never abused to name but a few.

All of you are responsible for perpetuating this man’s delusions which means YOU are now responsible for what is happening to him – let alone the innocent people who’s lives he and Anne have made a misery of for the last 4 years!!

I hope you are ready to accept that responsibility because i am going to make sure everyone knows the truth of this situation.
I thought you had integrity but it seems you are supporting Robert’s claims, calling Aberdeen Police and ignoring and refusing to speak to us – just like the rest that deny the truth.

I guess you really are no different to the rest of the alternative media that sensationalise and exploit the vulnerable for the sake of headline.

Shame – because i liked you!

• Sunday
16/02/2014 22:02
Sonia Poulton
I am happy to be considered a supporter of Robert Green. He approached me only to ask questions on behalf of a vulnerable young woman. I have never made accusations in the case merely found it odd that Hollie’s claims are completely ignored by the Establishment. Your organisation treated me with disrespect from the get-go. Smearing me on the internet and attempting to use bullying tactics. I don’t respond well to that as you have discovered. I offered you a right of reply until ‘someone’ thought it smart to report TPV and me to OFCOM. Then TPV did not want to continue on the issue until the OFCOM was resolved. I suspect you or others around you were responsible for the OFCOM report. Either way the upshot is you didn’t get to do your interview. I will continue to support Robert because I am suspicious of those who would have him arrested.

17/02/2014 00:52
Jon Stevenson
Sorry Sonia, your excuses won’t cut it anymore.
We didn’t go smearing you on the net, we/I asked certain questions of you on Twitter and on our own website – Strong questions and statements i agree, BUT that was after we sent you more than enough information for you to make an informed choice and to respond accordingly – you didn’t, you simply ignored our messages and claimed you were locked out of your website only to later make a statement on it.

And i don’t believe for one minute a professional journalist would be locked out of their own website.
Therefore we presumed you were attacking us just like other supporters of Robert Green – so your argument/excuse is completely facile.

You only responded after we took a more direct approach.

And yet you continually ignore the evidence – like that i mentioned in my previous message and crow on about OFCOM and bullying tactics – what would you call the continued FALSE allegations that Robert Green has been making i wonder??

He has been harassing and bullying innocent people for YEARS Sonia!

You also could have agreed to a Skype conversation (as requested) with me and Wyn, one of those directly involved. Robert Green always said he would talk to anyone, but, like you, when it comes to it you refuse or simply ignore the request.
Is that what you call proper journalism?

You gave a convicted criminal air time to promote his campaign – a campaign that has caused years of misery and suffering not only to those he falsely accused of being of being paedophiles, but the children he also accused of being victims.

Why shouldn’t that be reported to any authority?? And I have told you already – I reported your broadcast.

You consider yourself a “supporter” of Robert Green – yet you are anything but!

If you really cared, if you really were the peoples champion as you promote yourself to be, if you were truly altruistic – you would have looked clinically at the evidence – the evidence that Robert has and that is on our website.

If you had done that you would see for instance that his “expert witness statements” are complete rubbish.

YOU would see that the medical evidence shows no abuse, and the Police transcripts show names of people that don’t exist and no detail whatsoever about the surroundings where the alleged abuse was supposed to have taken place.

You would understand how CICA made the payment, especially when you read the Police correspondence – but you haven’t, have you Sonia?!

You simply listened to Robert and “believed” him.

A mistake i made also.

It’s easy to do as you’re doing Sonia, you have nothing to lose.

However if you examined the evidence and had a dialogue with us you would soon come to know the truth – then of course you would lose some of the support you currently have – i guess your ego would never allow that.

But regardless of the help we/I have offered you, you still “support” Robert Green.

But you’re not supporting him, you are perpetuating his delusion and so doing him irrevocable psychological damage – just like your friends The UK Column, Lou Collins, Brian Gerrish and all the others.

I guess you do it because there is no doubt we are surrounded by so much corruption – but there is a world of difference between real investigative journalism and what the alternative media thinks it is.

I know exactly why Robert has been arrested…. again – you don’t because you have not looked at the evidence. But there is no doubt you are directly responsible for Robert’s wellbeing and the perpetuation of his campaign – and so the continued misery and suffering of those he wrongly accuses.

You have no excuse anymore Sonia – we/I have tried to tell you, tried to explain and tried to talk to you – but you seem to have made your choice.

Whether you like it or not, you’re part of it now Sonia – don’t say I didn’t try to help you.

But as always Wyn and I will be willing to talk to you if you desire to know the truth – but forgive us if we don’t hold our breath.

17/02/2014 01:04
Sonia Poulton
I am not even reading this fully and the reason why is you have sought to attack, harrass and bully again, Jon. It’s what you do. Blogs have been written about you. I don’t tolerate that attitude from anyone. I told you about yourself and you don’t like it. Enjoy your life Jon, take care, be less obnoxious and you may progress. I have taken the time to answer your repeated questions even though you have attempted to bully me from the start. You are someone to be watched. Now go into the big wide yonder and know that your words, designed to be abusive, cannot affect me because bullies are ten a penny.

17/02/2014 01:08
Sonia Poulton
Oh I’ve just noted that you have admitted to being the one behind reporting the broadcast. Oh lol. You make me laugh. Not a spine to your name, has to run to ‘the authorities’. Be gone Jon, go muddy the waters elsewhere, this is an adult world I am working in not a playground.


After that exchange Sonia Blocked us for a second time
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Readers will come to their own conclusions – but it is a shame because we liked Sonia.

BUT WE HATE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR OWN EGOS AND PERSONAL GAIN IN FRONT OF THE TRUTH. IT IS NOT PROFESSIONAL, ETHICAL OR IMPARTIAL.  EITHER PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE INDEPENDENT, FAIR AND BALANCED IN PURSUIT OF THE TRUTH BY HEARING BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY OR THEY ARE LIARS, COWARDS AND HYPOCRITES.  ALL WE HAVE EVER ASKED IS FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY TO BE HEARD AND GIVEN EQUAL AIRTIME.  THAT IS THE TRUE PROFESSIONAL APPROACH.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WILLING TO TALK TO ANYBODY IN THE SO CALLED ‘TRUTH MOVEMENT. OF THE VERY FEW THAT ACTUALLY AGREED TO TALK TO US AND REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS AND EVIDENCE WE PRESENTED TO THEM, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS CONVINCED THAT WE TOLD THE TRUTH AND PUBLICLY RENOUNCED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE CAMPAIGN.

THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT ALL THESE SO CALLED SUPPORTERS OF ROBERT GREEN ARE COMPLICIT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS INCARCERATION.

However, w
e remain as always, willing to talk to any of them while they pay the consequences of thier actions.

 

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Sonia Poulton’s interesting insight into the liar David Icke

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/01/2014

Sonia Poulton’s interesting insight into the liar David Icke

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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

this posting of a factual account of her dealings with David Icke gives an interesting insight into the vile man’s style and behaviour.

Some may remember that when he published unfounded lies about me in an effort to defame me and denigrate the facts I was publishing some years ago to expose the lies surrounding Hollie Greig as invented by Anne Greig and Robert Green and widely promoted by Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, George McKendrick, David Icke, Matt Quinn and many others.

As is well documented I was the first individual to speak out exposing the scam , as soon as I was able to show beyond reasonable doubt that I had been lied to and had misguidedly for a short period promoted the hoax on behalf of Anne Greig and later Robert Green.

For having shown that the entire story was a tissue of lies, conjecture and fantasy put about by wicked and criminal individuals not only did I receive death threats and cyber bullying as can be found by a brief search of the internet.

David Icke was amongst those seeking to promote lies about me and although I had a cast iron case my solicitor and barrister advised me that it was probable that David Icke would prove to be ‘a man of straw’ having sheltered his assets either off shore or under various subterfuges and that I would find myself liable for costs (considerable) with no means of recouping them from the odious low life David Icke.

There was also the possibility that in view of the idiotic nature of many of his other claims as with his claim to be some sort of second coming or messiah and his fantasies about lizards and the moon, just to mention two – he might have an defense of unsound mind!

I decided to drop the case as clearly those who knew me were well aware of the pack of lies he and others were peddling, and the opinions of others about me were of no consequence to me!

The same was also true of the clear case showing the dishonest efforts of low lifes such as Belinda McKenzie, Matt Quinn, George McKendrick and others of even less consequence or credibility.

That David Icke is a liar, a cheat, a bully, a scoundrel and self serving is irrefutable – it would seem that Sonia Poulter has reason to believe he may well also be dishonest thief:

SONIA POULTON 

I have been overwhelmed by the support I have received following my departure from The People’s Voice on Monday, January 6, 2014. 

This is my statement of events. 

During the brief period when I worked as a full-time journalist and presenter at The People’s Voice office in Wembley – every week day, sometimes 12 hours a day for the period from November 18th to January 6th – various volunteers and staff made alarming comments to me about the financial accounting at The People’s Voice. 

I was told that public money had been ‘squandered’, ‘spent unwisely’ and ‘in an easy-come, easy-go manner’. I was informed that various pieces of equipment, including a handheld camera, had ‘gone missing’. It was alleged that money had been paid to someone who did not warrant being paid and who shared a property in Wembley with David – amongst other accusations. 

Given these suspicions I was not happy with David Icke and Sean Adl-Tabatabai – TPV’s station manager – suggesting a second telethon on January 3, 2014. This was to raise more money for TPV following a two-week Christmas break from live programming. 

I realised that the public, who had already donated far in excess of £300,000, was losing some goodwill towards TPV – and for a number of reasons. 

I felt, as did other members of staff who said it to me – but did not have the courage to say it to David Icke directly – that all financial dealings should be public and transparent. 

I believe, and conveyed this to David Icke, Sean ADL and Liz Roberts – in their respective roles as Station Manager and Production Manager – that all money paid out – including expenses and staff wages should be published monthly. This idea never progressed beyond the asking stage. 

This, and other issues reached a head for me on Friday night when I was asked to take part in the telethon to raise money even though I didn’t know entirely where the previous public money had gone to. 

I should add I refused point blank to take part in the first telethon in early November before the station had even launched. Not only was I unimpressed with some of the content of that telethon, as a representation of TPV, but I felt there was something wrong in asking the public for more money BEFORE they had seen even one programme. 

So it was that I was not happy to do this latest telethon but I did it because I wanted TPV to succeed. 

Despite my misgivings, I put my heart into it including organising a Question Time-style panel and a film recorded on New Year’s Eve about people who are doing important activism to make positive changes to our world. 

I was, and remain, proud of this input – and output – and all the people involved in making this happen and all for only the petrol money to cover the filming. 

After the telethon, I slept badly on Friday night and by Saturday morning I had sent an e-mail to David Icke outlining my serious concerns about the finances at The People’s Voice. 

I heard nothing back from him. This was unusual because David is not only a prolific writer but he has always responded within hours, sometimes minutes, of my sending him an e-mail. 

I arrived at the TPV office on Monday about 10am. David’s office door, a glass-type partition, was closed and I tapped on it. He refused to look up at me and kept staring at the screen in front of him. 

Undaunted, I opened the door, said ‘good morning’ and asked if I could have a talk with him. He refused. He said he had to wait until Sean arrived before we could talk. I asked him when that would be. He said any minute. 

Sean arrived about 45 minutes later. Liz Roberts, Head of Production, came to me and said they were ready for the meeting. Then, somewhat oddly, she led me to the darkened, sound-proofed studio where the music and performance segment of TPV is recorded. 

I was uncomfortable with this as I was uncertain why we were meeting in here seeing as David normally conducts meetings in his or Sean ADL’s office, both at the end of the TPV main office. 

Several chairs had been placed in the darkened studio in a semi-circle and I sat down on the chair that was most set apart from the others. Sean ADL took a seat and Liz Roberts went to get David Icke. It was silent between Sean and I and we waited a minute or so until David Icke joined us. 

I could see that David was already furious when he arrived in the room. He looked how I had seen him on several other occasions when he has lost his temper with members of staff. He sat down on the chair directly opposite me and in the middle of Sean ADL and Liz Roberts and I said, ‘who’s going to start?’ 

David said that seeing as I was the one with the allegations, it should be me. 

I told him that for the past few weeks people in the office – including volunteers and paid staff – had been coming to me and making troubling accusations about misappropriation of the funds. 

I had heard stories of nights out on expenses, of many rounds of drinks and food being bought in pubs, of takeaways and alcohol being ordered to the People’s Voice by – and for – paid staff members. 

There were even more outrageous accusations told to me including people who received money from TPV who had some personal involvement with David Icke. 

I told David, Sean ADL and Liz Roberts that TPV was struggling financially because public goodwill towards TPV was at a low ebb because, amongst other things, a lack of transparency. 

I said that I felt it personally important to see how the money had been spent up to this point – and not least because David always agreed with me about the importance of transparency in all dealings. 

David’s voice was raised and he demanded to hear more of my allegations and who they involved. 

I felt that this was some kind of a trap and I said I wasn’t going to name names at this stage and that I just wanted to see where the money had been spent. He refused. He said I would have to wait until the end of the year. He was furious that I dared to question the funds. 

His entire attitude was indignant and outraged by my request. I asked him if I would need to put in a Freedom of Information request to get the information from The People’s Voice regarding accounting. 

I was shocked by the corporate front that David Icke, Liz Roberts and Sean ADL were showing me with regard what had happened with the money and I said that I believed TPV was operating no differently – with it’s hierarchy of decently paid management, numerous unpaid volunteers and no accountability – to the corporations we despised. 

It was at this point that David Icke lost his temper completely. He started shouting that I was the most divisive character that he had ever met in the media and that everyone hated me at TPV. He asked Liz Roberts to back this statement up but she couldn’t. Given that Liz has previously stated in public in the office that I am ‘an example to all of us’, I didn’t feel that she could really back up his accusation with any credibility. 

This emotional attack from David alarmed me greatly. I had only asked for financial transparency and not only was he refusing to let me have this information but he tried to use intimidation techniques to deflect me from pursuing it too. 

David Icke tells everyone I am a PROPER journalist. His words. When I am on air I am told he walks from office to office, pointing at the screen and saying ‘that’s real journalism’. The big problem here is 

David Icke is only happy when I am investigating anyone or anything other than him and The People’s Voice. 

I am not saying that anyone has carried out fraud at TPV. I have no proof of that. What I am saying, however, is that I believe there exists a cavalier attitude, at times, to the spending of public funds. 

At TPV I have seen the letters of people who donate their hard-to-come-by cash. Children giving up their pocket money and pensioners contributing part of their pension. It greatly upsets me to see the laissez faire attitude towards their money. 

The statement on my departure released by TPV and written by David Icke – according to Liz Roberts in correspondence with presenter Barrie Sharpe – was designed to smear me. 

None of what was said even came up in the meeting yesterday morning. David Icke’s statement was an affront not only to me but to anyone who supports me and to anyone who donated their time, efforts and money to TPV. Thank goodness so many people have seen right through it and reacted accordingly. 

I would be more than happy to debate TPV with David Icke, Sean Adl-Tabatabai and Liz Roberts on camera and in a neutral environment. I have nothing to hide. 

It is not me who seeks to take people into a darkened room away from other people in the office at the point when the person wants to address important questions about alleged financial mismanagement. I am, and remain, transparent in my dealings. 

I am informed by a member of staff that there have been orders to ‘remove me’. This includes taking down a great deal of information I have conveyed on film at TPV including a video we shot on New Years Eve about children being taken into care and about people campaigning against fracking. 

David Icke says The People’s Voice is about ‘the content and not the personality’. If that is so, why would he have sanctioned the removal of ‘the content’ that I contributed to The People’s Voice? 

Content, I might add, that I have already copied and feel totally at liberty to post on to Youtube. I believe that the public, who paid for this, is entitled to that and it should not be stopped because of the vindictive behaviour of people who claim to know better. 

I am in no doubt that David Icke shouted at me in the meeting because, rather than accept that there may be a problem of a certain culture growing at TPV, he chose to deflect the blame for his failings onto me and my character. 

I acknowledge that I am capable of being a fiery character. I’ve said it on camera. It’s part of who I am but it is entirely wrong – as they suggest in the official statement about my departure – to suggest that I don’t treat people with respect. 

You only have to look at the wonderful things that have been said about me following my departure from TPV. I am quite blown away by the strength of support. 

So I have to ask: why would David Icke attempt to smear my character? I only asked where The People’s Voice money had gone to? 

Hardly an unreasonable question, I thought, given myself – and many others – were contributing great amounts of time and money to making TPV happen. 

I’m not looking for a medal but I did more than work at TPV, I have also put my hand in my own pocket and have funded a hire car, petrol, pictures and food for volunteers. 

I am far from financially wealthy and I am a single parent with only my income coming in, but I have contributed what I could because I believed in what TPV was capable of. 

I am deeply upset what has come to pass. It has taken me a day to compose my thoughts into any semblance of order. I believed in the capability of TPV. I don’t anymore. As it stands, it is not capable of being the true media we so desperately need in this world. 

When I was sat in the meeting yesterday morning I realised that these three people before me were not capable of creating an alternative media. I knew that if I were to stay a moment longer I was in danger of damaging my own hard-won reputation of honesty and misleading the public too. I could not do that and that is why I left. 

I am also upset because there are people at TPV whom I have become very fond of. Good people who want to make a better world but who are unaware – or don’t know how to deal with – the real issues of injustice right under their noses. 

It won’t stop me trying to create that media I can imagine, though. I have gained a great deal of understanding of what not to do and I have plans right now how to implement my own show. I will only do this if it can be completely transparent because that is what I believe we need more of in this world. I thought TPV could offer that. It didn’t. 

For the record, David Icke needs to understand that respect – as his official statement about me calls for – is a two-way street. He is so used to being all-powerful in his environment that he responds badly to being challenged. 

Despite repeatedly saying that ‘presenters have free-will’ David Icke did not hesitate to make known some of his dissatisfactions with me inviting on guests whom he had fallen out with in the past. 

I witnessed that side of him and so did Sean ADL and Liz Roberts. They sat back and allowed it to happen. That’s why they are still there. They do not challenge him because to do so would challenge the comfortable and unaccountable existence at TPV that they have come to enjoy. 

Both Sean ADL and Liz Roberts publicly have stated that TPV may not survive beyond the end of January unless the station gets more money in. Well, as two of the people who have access to TPV’s funds, they would know. 

As of this afternoon I have not received the requested information on financial accounting. How difficult can it be to show how much has been donated to The People’s Voice and where and by whom it has been spent? 

Upon receipt of the information from The People’s Voice, I will report on my findings just as I report on the behaviour of other organisations. 

The silence from the station, in response to the extraordinary support of people who are appalled at the statement issued by David Icke on behalf of The People’s Voice, speaks volumes. 

This is my statement of the events of yesterday at The People’s Voice with David Icke, Liz Roberts and Sean Adl-Tabatabai. I have sent this statement to all these three people as well as posting it on my website and on social network sites.

Sonia Poulton, January 7th, 2014.

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Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/12/2013

Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?
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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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‘The People’s Voice’ not so much for the people 

tpvspIn her programme, ‘Sonia Poulton – Live’ on ‘The People’s Voice’ channel, she recently had a guest by the name of Robert Green who spoke about an alleged abuse case in Scotland concerning a woman with Down’s syndrome called Hollie Greig.

Up until I watched the show I knew little of the accusations, only that someone alleged that there was a paedophile ring operating in Aberdeen which allegedly involved prominent members of the community, including police, the local sheriff, social services, medical staff, and others.

Watching the programme, I noticed there seemed to be a lot of inconsistencies in what Green was saying, and he didn’t give any real evidence of his claims. Something just didn’t seem right about the overall feel of the programme, so I started to take a look on the internet to try and find a little more information.

Surprisingly, most of what I found was repetition of the same story Green had relayed on the programme, even some of the same inconsistencies. A closer look revealed that most of the information was not based on any evidence whatsoever, and some of the connections made in the case on various websites were so tenuous I could not understand how an experienced journalist could not have had some serious doubts about the case, or asked Green some very hard questions.

After all, according to the promotional material of the streaming channel it is supposed to be unbiased, give all sides a right to their say, and ask the ‘hard questions’. It seems that all of those admirable journalistic claims did not apply to this episode.

I am not going to go into detail about the case, and all I can say is look for yourself. There is far more REAL evidence to cast serious doubt on Green’s account of the story than there is REAL evidence to back up Green’s claims – it is a total sham as far as I can see.

As I was looking around, I thought I would have a look at Sonia Poulton’s Twitter feed – and there was revealed just how bias the report on her programme was.

The Twitter conversation (or whatever it is called) involved Sonia Poulton and a user called ‘Hollie Greig Hoax’ who are apparently some of the people accused by Green of being involved in the allegations of a paedophile ring.

It was certainly an interesting read. Apparently, Sonia Poulton has refused to allow the accused to reply! It sounds more like the a modern case of the Pendle Witches than fair reporting and allowing all sides to have their say. She also stated that Green has ‘incredible evidence’ – now does that mean ‘unbelievable’ and difficult to believe, or does it mean ‘marvellous’ – look up the definition .

A little further digging revealed more about how Sonia Poulton treated the ‘accused’ in this case. Apparently, after Sonia Poulton refused to engage any further in the Twitter ‘conversation’, the ‘accused’ sent her a Skype request – which she also refused. If that were not enough, apparently Sonia Poulton hung-up when she was telephoned to discuss the report and the ‘accused’ right to appear on her programme. You can read about it on the Hollie Greig Hoax website.

When I started to look into Green a little bit further, it seems he has been warned many times to stop spreading his defamatory claims, even being imprisoned for his behaviour during which he sent letters to neighbours of the 22 people he accused of being involved stating they were paedophiles. The reason he has been warned is that he has NO evidence to make such claims! Incredible that he just doesn’t get the message, and even MORE incredible that supposed journalists don’t check their information before broadcasting Green’s claims.

It seems Green only likes journalists who will buy-in to his lies.

Green approached respected BBC investigative journalist Mark Daly, who has been involved in many of the biggest journalistic exposures of corruption and child abuse in the UK.

According to Green, a programme was commissioned by the BBC and was ‘pulled’ during the last week of production. This is yet another blatant lie by Green. After looking at Green’s version of events and the so-called ‘evidence’ he gave the reporter, the BBC decided they were not interested.

In a reply to Green, Mark Daly stated “I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

There is an interesting interview with Mark Daly about Green and his claims on YouTube.

So why on earth would Sonia Poulton think that anything Robert Green had to say in his accusations was true without checking first. This man has a long history of being unreliable at the very least.

‘The People’s Voice’? I don’t think so – more like a ‘channel’ to support ridiculous and tenuous conspiracy theories bandied about by anyone.

I had though (and hoped) that ‘The People’s Voice’ was capable of delivering what it said it could, but obviously it can’t.

The programming seems to be rapidly turning into a minority channel for followers of Icke and the usual conspiracy brigade, rather than a credible source of reliable and unbiased information. It is a shame, because there are some subjects that do warrant our attention, but are mixed in with other ‘stuff’.

Mainstream media is certainly not perfect and seems biased. But at least there may be a semblance of reliable information that you can make your own mind up about through intelligent analysis and research. I can only describe ‘The People’s Voice’ as an alternative version of the same but with more sensationalism and misdirection. Perhaps that’s why some of Icke’s celebrity chums didn’t get together and finance it.

I certainly won’t be watching. I did donate in the foolish belief that this was going to be something that was really worthwhile supporting – I have since cancelled. I would rather give my cash to people I meet who deserve it rather than fund this amateurish propaganda machine.

To view the original article CLICK HERE
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Obviously, based on factual information and provable evidence YOU must believe what you wish but without admissible evidence that Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused or any legitimate evidence that her uncle Roy Greig died in anything other than tragic circumstances committing suicide whilst drunk and under suspension from his job as subject of a police inquiry then may I suggest you do all you can to expose the lies of Robert Green, David Icke, Brian Gerrish, Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, Anne Greig and the claque of criminal fools aiding them.

I freely concede I was amongst those who were fooled by the lies and not only apologised but have done as much as I can to expose those lies ever since it became clear to me that no sound evidence has ever been produced to indicate Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused nor that Roy Greig did not commit suicide.

When Robert Green & Stuart Usher printed and distributed a list of those they swore were perpetrators and victims of child abuse I misguidedly published the list on the web log which I set up and maintained for Anne Greig at the time.

I u7nreservedly apologise for my gullibility at the time and have published my apology alongside the list ever since to ensure there is absolutely no doubt that the list is a total fabrication by Anne Greig & Robert Green as published and distributed by Robert Green & Stuart Usher.

Sonia Poulton has claimed she has seen incredible evidence in support of Robert Green’s stories – I believe it is incumbent on her to publish the evidence or disambiguate the term ‘incredible’ and admit it was not credible and that she was duped, as was I, she has a duty to expose the lies and apologise for her part in promoting them.

As I have done.
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Little wonder many in the Hollie Greig cult use false names!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/11/2012

Little wonder many in the Hollie Greig cult use false names!

They also lack the courage to put their identity or phone numbers to their abusive and obscene cowardly phone calls and threats – Little wonder as clearly they are ashamed of their own behaviour!

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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On a public forum On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:25:27 PM UTC, The Todal wrote:
“You seem to believe that everyone shares your keen interest in this
story and would want to plough through page after page of badly-written
allegations and analyses.”

Hi,

I had assumed that only those who were interested would read a thread on such a subject – obviously I was wrong and there are numerous ill informed people willing to inaccurately sum marise and dedicate their time to a subject they claim to have no interest in and seemingly less knowledge of – How strange!

You may find the sites that expose the obvious hoax of interest but then again if you have no interest and just want to hold fourth then perhaps the Hollie Greig cult sites with their unsourced and unsustainable fantasies and endless attempts to defame those who value the FACTS and have exposed their scam might interest you more!

The desperate attempts of dishonest and corrupt idiots like the puffed up and obsessive Matt Quinn, or the self enriching & self seeking liar David Icke or Brian Gerrish may well befried those who support their ‘tin foil hat’ conspiracy theories.

That there are conspiracies is self evident just read the attempts of Icke, McKenzie, Gerrish, Quinn, McFerran and the other low life liars to weave them!

If you do not believe in conspiracies existing and bullying being something of a norm amongst inadequates then clearly you have never watched children in a playground. You will note the ‘Truthers‘ and their fellow travellers use many of the childish techniques of the playground bully!

IF you want FACTS perhaps I can help you and provide the FACTUAL & PROVABLE background with relevant links.

IF you merely want to TELL people you are not interested and read conspiracy sites avidly and present inaccurate summaries and unhinged links then one has to feel sorry for you.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Little wonder many in the Hollie Greig cult use false names!

They also lack the courage to put their identity or phone numbers to their abusive and obscene cowardly phone calls and threats – Little wonder as clearly they are ashamed of their own behaviour!.

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Psychiatry & A Lack of Credible Evidence re Hollie Greig

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/11/2012

Psychiatry & A Lack of Credible Evidence re Hollie Greig

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,


you may find this correspondence from a public Forum informative and of help in bringing the truth to light:

.On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:52:18 PM UTC, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
> On 31/10/2012 09:10, richardmckenzie01@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 15, 2012 4:35:37 PM UTC+1, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
>
> >> Hollie Greig Story A Hoax? Oct 14, 2012, WideShut Webcast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIgYbPhPt1Q WM

> > Nigel did they did the psychiatrist not have a close
>
> > relationship with one of the accused
>
>
> I think Greg may be the person ask.
>
> WM

My Response Was:

Hi,

there were several documents purporting to emanate from psychiatrists.

There was no documentary evidence led that showed any questionable or inappropriate relationship between any claimed psychiatrist and any other party involved in even claims of abuse, of which I was was ever made aware!

There were also several documents which seem to have been witheld by Anne Greig & Robert Green as the did not support their largely unsustainable claims.

Let us not forget that the main document they placed before the public was from the long retired Eva Harding who had qualified in the 1950s and practiced in the public sector in schools in the London area for most of her career – her actual duties seemed not to have been as a psychologist nor was there any but the most tenuous of claims that she was experienced in the field of sexual abuse!

The full documentation was on the StolenKids-Hollie weblog that I originally ran for Anne Greig & at her request Robert Green, until I found they had been consistently telling me lies and their cult desperately tried to undermine and defame my credibility to keep their corrupt cause going.

Some may remember that I announced that I had every reason to believe that the entire ‘STORY’ surrounding sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and the death of her uncle (Anne Greig’s elder brother)was without foundation.

I stated this to be my OPINION and then presented the extensive evidence to prove my OPINION was founded on sustainable and detailed facts plus a great deal of time line and circumstantial evidence.

Unfortunately it was quite a time before others supported this view though uit became clear that many had drifted away from support of the cult having seen the evidence it was a hoax at best. Some even stood their ground in defence of the facts I put forward, though there were notable vile and extremist nutters who for their own gain and aggrandisement tried to whip up the gullible & the underbelly of the cult in an attack mode to TRY to defame me for telling the truth and spoiling their scam!

Some time after I had publicised the truth about the Hollie Greig ‘STORIES’ with copious evidence the web site was hijacked whether by dishonest and criminal hacking or by the simple though dishonest expedient of using the access codes which Anne Greig & Robert Green were provided with at the outset – frankly I don’t much care as clearly I have little but contempt for such clear abuse of Hollie Greig in their trying to advance the cult at her expense!

Having been associated with this case since Ane Greig’s original efforts to persuade me to help her as a result of her having been recommended to her as a result of other work I had done re Dunblane etc and others besides _ have followed this case and read every legitimate document that has come to hand or into the public domain.

I am happy to catagorically state that I have absolutely zero reason to believe the corwe ‘STORIES of abuse or the ‘STORIES surrounding the suicide of Roy Greig have one wit of credible foundation in fact – though I do congratulate the ‘STORY TELLERS for their skill in turning grains of sand into mountains and preasenting actual mountains as mirages.

IF by now you are not bored witless by the Cult’s lies and vile behaviour by all means investigate further at:
https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com
&
http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net
Sadly The StolenKids-Hollie site is no longer available as when I ran it without any doubt it carried the largest factual collation of evidence available and no doubt because the truth sabotaged the fantasies and scams of the likes of Robert Green, Belinda McKenzie, Matt Quinn, Brian Gerrish, David Icke, Ian McFerran, George McKendrick and the rest of the cult’s odious and dishonest supporters the reason it was destroyed becomes self evident!

IF anyone has a full copy of the site to check against my record I would appreciate a copy and will willingly reinstate it to ensure the facts are more readily available thus showing the ‘STORIES’ surrounding Anne Greig, Robert Green and the cult are just that – their ‘STORIES’.

My thanks to Tom George, Anna Raccoon, Pabs and a very few other honourable individuals who stood their ground in the interest of the truth and exposing the lies and liars in the cult or feeding off it!

I trust this is of help to those with a genuine interest in the facts and seeing the truth prevail.

IF you are unable to ascertain given facts or require more details or background, than either of the two web sites provide, please feel free to contact me directly as clearly I have nothing to hide and every interest in ensuring the truth is made more widespread.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Greg Lance-Watkins
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TO WHICH I ADDED:

On Monday, October 15, 2012 4:35:37 PM UTC+1, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
– show quoted text –

Hi,

please note I can only present the FACTS as I have seen them and as corroboration of the opinions I present – YOU must draw your own conclusions but I am unable to comprehend, in the light of the facts made public,and the dirth of credible substantive evidence and minded of the desperation and dishonest of the cult and its clutching at straws to build mountains out of the most tenuous of claimed links – just how can any rational individual believe the ‘STORIES’ that the cult are still trying to present!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Where does the Hollie Greig Cult & Their STORIES Stand

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/10/2012

Where does the Hollie Greig Cult & Their STORIES Stand

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

.

.

On Monday, October 15, 2012 4:35:37 PM UTC+1, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
> Hollie Greig Story A Hoax? Oct 14, 2012, WideShut Webcast
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIgYbPhPt1Q
>
>
>
> WM

Hi,

fact, fantasy, malicious, hoax or mental health problems underpin this issue and the ‘STORIES’ surrounding claims of abuse of Hollie Greig.

The only fact to be undeniable is that neither Anne Greig or Robert Green, Stuart Usher, Belinda McKenzie, Matt Quinn, Brian Gerrish, George McKendrick nor Ian McFerron nor any others in the cult have been able to provide one shred of valid, admissible evidence of any type which is substantive or corroborated that supports the ‘CLAIMS’ that Hollie Greig was EVER sexually abused.

That they have themselves abused her by parading her in any public venue they can to promote their ‘STORIES’ is undeniable.

Could it be nothing more than embittered attention seeking on their part at the expense of a severely handicapped woman with extreme learning, comprehension and communication difficulties?

That they have without exception failed to provide one wit of evidence of any valid nature to back their claims of sexual abuse is undeniable. That they then branched out and tried to attribute conspiracies and foul play to the perfectly understandable suicide of Roy Greig compounds the clear impression that they are totally unreliable and untrustworthy and promoting the ‘STORIES’ for their own personal aggrandisement and gain in one form or another – just read the obsessive and delusional interpretations put on his fantasies by Matt Quinn or Peter Eyer or for that matter David Icke and one starts to realise these people are clearly fully paid up members of the Tin Foil Mad Hatters cult.

It is my very certain conviction based on facts and the circumstances and evidence to support the opinion that the Hollie Greig ‘STORIES’ and the ‘CLAIMS’ related to Roy Greig’s death are pure fantasy.

You must judge for yourself the motives and whether they have promoted the ‘STORIES’ for gain, malice, self promotion or some sort of demented revenge on society that has motivated the cult.

Suffice to say we have studied the ‘STORIES’ yet have never been able to find evidence of any note to back the stories nor were Anne Greig or Robert Green able to provide one shred of evidence that counterbalanced the clear fact that there was every reason to believe the ‘STORIES’ were untrue.

That many lies and much cyber bullying, hacking and threats have been leveled at anyone who had the temerity to reject membership of the cult and its ‘STORIES’ clear leads one to the realisation it is at best a hoax and more likely a pack of lies!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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