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Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/05/2014

Hollie Greig Hoax – A Summary as at 17-May-2014

This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I take the liberty from time to time of adding material from third party sites of merit, as due to the dishonesty and their own gain and many of the low lifes and criminals associated with the promotion of the indisputable hoax surrounding the fantasy claims of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig and various false claims surrounding the scam.

 

Let us not forget that despite numerous Police investigations, medical reports and various other investigations to date not one shred of credible admissible evidence has EVER been presented to support the stories yet some are still trying to support the scam despite its undeniable exposure as a hoax by myself and many others several years ago!

 

Therefore I reproduce various valid articles which may be interferred with, hacked or removed by those dishonestly supporting the Hollie Greig scam – as was my own detailed, documented and cross referenced site that exposed the hoax originally, which the deviants, liars and low lifes were unable to refute, disprove or counter so they resorted to lies, defamation and hacking to try to suppress the reasoned and detailed facts proving the ‘stories’ surrounding Hollie Greig and the suicide of her uncle Roy Greig etc.

The Hoax

Although opinion is bound to be divided, and while some campaigners & individuals still add things up wrong, the evidence is irrefutable. The Mackie family were like any other middle class happy family. Like most, they’ve had their troubles but they were a loving family with many friends.
This is the story of how Anne Greig suffered a breakdown after the death of her mother and brother. The paranoid delusions Anne suffered had shocking consequences not only for her family and friends, but many of her in-laws including her husbands business associates.However, It didn’t stop there.

Over time, Anne accused many different individuals she felt had crossed her in some way, including the Sheriff who presided over her “incomplete” divorce, of sexually abusing her daughter, Hollie. This abuse allegedly spanned a 14yr period and started when Hollie was aged 6.

But in her confused and paranoid state of mind she chose a different Sheriff but one with a similar name to label with her vile accusations.

Detective Constable Durward interviewed Hollie on 19th May 2000 accompanied by Nicola Foot, appropriate adult. On the 24th May 2000, Hollie was interviewed again by DC Durward with Nicola foot present.

Hollie was eventually interviewed for a third time by DC Evans & Sarah Bennett as Appropriate Adult on 8th September 2009 in the Belvoire Suite, Shrewsbury.

Neither were convinced by Hollies’ testimony as we see later in the PCCS report.

All of this started after the death of Anne’s brother in 1997.

Robert Greig (known as Roy), committed suicide on 17th November 1997.

He was found in a burning car and died of smoke inhalation.
Smoke Inhalation

At that time Anne never questioned his death as anything other than suicide – confirmed to us by her best friend Wyn Dragon-Smith.

When Anne’s mother passed, she left the majority of her estate to her son Roy. When Roy passed, his estate amounted to very little.Anne suspected her solicitor Ian MacDonald of defrauding her from an inheritance she not only expected from her mother’s passing, but now from her brother.

Therefore, Mr McDonald’s name was added to the list of other alleged abusers.
Robert Green’s list of abusers

She complained to the Law society of Scotland and began to obsess on the internet, researching until the early hours of the morning which continued for almost 3 years.

Anne reported what she thought to be fraud to Grampian Police, but because Anne believed they had not acted appropriately regarding her complaints and allegations, she made a further complaint and requested an independent review.

Briefly jump forward now to July 2008, Jim Martin, the Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland produced an independent report into all of Anne’s complaints – referred to here as The PCCS report.
PCCS REPORT

Despite her efforts nothing came of her complaints to either the Law Society or Grampian Police – because there was no evidence of any criminality confirmed in the PCCS report:

Back to the beginning now and in the year 2000 things began to get worse. Her husband Denis and best friend Wyn accompanied Anne to her GP as she was showing signs of paranoia. After the visit, Anne exclaimed “he was yet another one of those against me.” She later changed to a different GP.Further testimony from Wyn, Denis and her son Greg, informs us she became more and more paranoid, insisting her business acquaintances, family and friends were all against her. She suspected her husband of having an affair, which was untrue – and when Greg and Denis tried in vain to talk some sense into her one evening, a family argument ensued and she bit her son Greg severely on the arm and ran out of the house at midnight in nothing but her nightdress.
Anne’s Mental Health

Then came very serious abuse allegations – allegations that would grow and grow, and which Anne would be unable to turn back on.In May 2000 she accused her husband of abusing their daughter Hollie, and over the following months the list of abusers grew and grew as Anne alleged Hollie revealed more and more names.

On 19th May 2000 Hollie was interviewed by Grampian Police and again on 24th May. Hollie mentioned a number of names, some of which simply did not exist. Hollies’ father Denis was interviewed, and her brother Greg a while later – but there was no corroborative evidence. Some of the other names could not be interviewed – how can the Police interview none existent people?

It was clear Hollie was loyal to her mother.

Forensic medical evidence taken from Hollie showed no signs of abuse – only that Hollie was not a virgin.
No Evidence of Abuse

Hollie was a 20yr old woman with boyfriend.

Anne ostracised all her family and friends and Hollies’ family broke up with her father moving to live in the family home in Portugal as Anne sold their house in Aberdeen. Hollies brother, Greg, stayed in Aberdeen for a while renting a flat from his Aunt Sylvia – (Denis’s cousin) – but around a year later when he was finding it hard to find work, he too went to live with his father in Portugal. He now has his own home and young family but it’s safe to say he still suffers from this traumatic experience.There is no doubt Anne suffered some kind of mental breakdown and as we have seen there is plenty of medical evidence that proves that – including Anne’s own independent Psychiatrists report. Anne was sectioned into a mental health institution for a short while and Hollie was put into the care system, but eventually Anne and Hollie were reunited.

Over the following years Anne moved from Aberdeen to Shrewsbury in Shropshire.

Her campaign continued there, as did her complaints to Grampian Police which is why the (PCCS) report was made.

ANNE WAS CONSTANTLY MISTAKING PEOPLE IN HER ALLEGATIONS AS THIS SECTION OF THE POLICE COMPLAINTS (PCCS) REPORT SHOWS… person ‘U’ is Helen McDonald, Hollie’s social worker.

“As a footnote to his enquiries Superintendent J noted that he was aware that the complainer had provided an association chart to the force detailing her perceived connections between the individuals X named as her abusers. He stated that in this chart reference was made to Detective Sergeant F having contact with Person U in the context of a local pantomime and living in the same area as her. Superintendent J noted that a short statement was taken from Person U who advised that she had never met Detective Sergeant F prior to, or subsequent to, him noting a statement from her in the course of his enquiries. She also stated that whilst she had never performed in pantomime with him, she was in pantomime with an ex-police officer. Superintendent J stated that this officer has not featured in any of the complainer’s concerns. He also noted that Detective Sergeant F did not live in the same area as Person U.”


In 2009, Anne was introduced to Robert Green by her friend, Stuart Usher.

Robert Green is an ex travel agent who was a partner in Mosley Travel in Warrington. Robert was to become Anne’s spokesperson and he labelled himself as her Lay legal advisor, investigator and journalist.
The real Robert Green

Robert produced many YouTube video’s where he explained the campaign including his allegations about Roy’s death.Just like Hollies’ false abuse, Roy’s suicide turned into a full blown conspiracy also – he cleverly put together a string of events around his death that on the surface suggested some wrong doing.

One of these events was to suggest that Sylvester Cadger, the man who tried to save Roy by pulling him from the burning car and giving him CPR until the ambulance arrived, was in fact the murderer.

However, the PCCS PCCS REPORTreport also show’s that Anne was somewhat unconcerned regarding the surroundings of the death of her brother – which confirms the testimony of Wyn Dragon-Smith.

An internet campaign was born that became known as “Hollie Demands Justice.” hollie Demands Justice
A lady called Belinda Mckenzie also joined the campaign. Belinda is a self-proclaimed truth campaigner, 911 conspiracy theorist, and alien believer.
The Real Belinda McKenzie
The campaigns Facebook group had over 27,000 members and the story went viral on the internet and continued to grow.
Anne, Hollie and Robert travelled the country attending different speaking engagements and the names of abusers grew evermore into a full blown paedophile ring “going to the very top of the Scottish Judiciary.”The link to the Scottish Judiciary came about because Anne mistook Graeme Buchanan for another solicitor with a similar name who was involved in her attempted divorce from Denis. To date. Anne & Denis are still married.

Robert and Anne claimed the abuse of Hollie occurred in the house of the Sheriff’s sister – only the Sheriff has no sister!

They later claimed the abuse took place in the home of the Sheriff’s sister-in-law – but again the Sheriff has no sister-in-law.Eventually Anne was summoned to the Royal Courts of Justice in London by Shropshire Council and told to stop parading her daughter around the country and a court order was put in force.

A whole network of “Alternative Media” & so called “Truth Campaigners” jumped on the band wagon – and the number of donate buttons on websites rocketed!

Wyn Dragon-Smith and her husband David, Sylvia Major and her husband Terry, and Hollie’s carer were all accused of being paedophiles among many more of Anne’s friends, relatives and business acquaintances as we have seen in the list. Robert also included the children of Hollies carer as victims and persistently claimed these things were never investigated.This document, including the PCCS report shows that to be untrue.
No Investigation?

Wyn and Sylvia’s children were named as child victims that were abused along with Hollie – Robert stated that Hollie and the other children were taken in a minibus to the home of the Sheriff’s sister to be abused. in reality these children never even met Hollie until she was in her late teens and all of them have made public statements saying they were never abused.
Public Statements

Robert sent letters to the neighbours of 22 innocently accused individuals including Wyn and Sylvia telling them they were living next door to paedophiles causing them fear, alarm and distress – a crime he later served a prison sentence for.
Prison Sentence

Anne and Robert claimed the BBC allegedly commissioned a programme with the prominent investigative journalist, Mark Daly.

Mark stated a programme was never commissioned, and when he investigated their claims, Anne and Robert were informed no programme would be made.Robert and Anne accused Mark of a cover up – Mark’s reply:

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

Mark Daly.

An organisation called “The UK Column” became involved and individuals named Brian Gerrish and Lou Collins joined the campaign along with the well-known conspiracy theorist David Icke.
The UK Column Lou Collins David Icke

They began promoting the cause all over the internet and spoke of it at different speaking engagements.

It is reported that Hollie suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder which is no surprise when you consider Hollie lost the family she had known for 20 years and the many friends she had in Aberdeen. Her life was torn apart by the illness suffered by her mother.In the end it sparked a national newspaper article written by David Leask of the Scottish Herald.

Sadly, this campaign still continues today for a few misguided supporters that simply cannot believe the truth.These are the facts for which there is plenty of evidence – Now, here is the story reported by Robert Green on their website Hollie Demands Justice with our own “truthful” additions.

“In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father. Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.”

Anne has admitted in many reports including on Sky TV that she did not “immediately” report anything to the Police, but told Hollie to tell her social worker.
Sky TV Interview

Terry Major was the chief fingerprint expert – a civilian employee. Graeme Buchanan was mixed up with another solicitor with a similar name as we have said above. All these discrepancies from the confused and paranoid mind of a mentally ill woman.


“Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place.”

The Forensic medical evidence showed Hollie was not a virgin – she was a 20yr old woman with a boyfriend and there was nothing to suggest any sort of abuse that has allegedly been going on unnoticed by Anne for 14 years!

Regardless of Hollie’s boyfriends, the PCCS report also casts doubt on the “abuse” allegation, and shows what lengths Anne will go to:


More importantly, the PCCS report points out that the forensic medical evidence stated:
So there was no medical evidence of recent sexual activity. Therefore is it possible Hollie was “shared with a satanic paedophile ring” as stated by Robert Green and show no evidence of abuse?
Hollies testimony was questioned by DC Davidson who said in one correspondence that she thought Anne was putting words into Hollies mouth
Anne putting words into Hollies’ mouthAgain – PCCS report also doubted the veracity Hollies testimony:

The Police transcript of Hollie’s claims, clearly showed Hollie simply repeating the same things over and over again. There was a distinct lack of any detail regarding her surroundings like the colour of the bed clothes or wallpaper in the room.The “other evidence” Robert refers to is a report by Dr Jack Boyle. His report can be read here:
The Boyle Report

It clearly shows he does not confirm the veracity of Hollie’s claims. Moreover, the majority of the report is based on what Anne has explained to him.

Dame Elish Angiolini is completely innocent of Robert’s allegations as this document proves:
Crown Office

“In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur.”

There were several medical experts that concluded Anne was suffering from paranoid delusions which included both her GP’s and psychiatric doctors at The Royal Cornhill Mental Institution. There were also many other professionals that were concerned about Anne’s mental health and many documents show this as we have seen. Hollie was never handed back to her father as Denis was working away on oil rigs at the time. Anne did obtain an independent psychiatrist report and although Robert and Anne say this report claims Anne was perfectly sane it states clearly that she could have suffered irrational and psychotic behaviour – again as we have seen.


“In the years that have followed, Anne Greig has persisted in her attempts to bring the abusers to justice, not only for the sake of her own children, but also to prevent these dreadful practices continuing against others, which includes adults with learning difficulties as well as children. It was only in 2009, when the News Of The World courageously broke the story, concentrating on the hitherto unheard of fact that Hollie had received payments from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority for crimes that have not even been investigated.”

The criminal injuries compensation scheme which is set by Parliament, compensates people based on the injuries they sustain not the crime of which they were a victim. When they make a payment they state that the payment is not a sign of guilt on behalf of the accused and should not be taken this way. Also, as D.I. Alley of Grampian Police said in one correspondence :
D.I. Alley

“The Police will always take what a witness says at face value unless there is some evidence which casts doubt on this. However, even in cases where doubt exists, it is not the business of the police to do other than ensure that all the evidence in relation to that doubt is placed before the Court. It is in Court that credibility is ultimately judged.”

It can be a little difficult to understand how CICA work – but once you understand their operating procedures and the Police’s operating procedures, it’s easy to see why Hollie was made a payment.


“The measures to cover up this terrible terrible story continue unbounded by the authorities.”

This case has been investigated twice and a independent investigation was also carried out (PCCS) because of Anne’s complaints. At first both Denis and Greig were interviewed under caution, & the second time it was investigated was shortly before Robert Green’s trial for breach of the peace after he casused fear, alarm and endangered both Wyn, Sylvia and their neighbours in 2010. Wyn, Sylvia and their children were all interviewed. Consequently, a great deal of public money has been spent on this false and defamatory case.


“Several years ago, Denis and Greg Mackie went to live in Portugal. On 8th May 2007, immediately following Madeleine McCann`s disappearance, Anne Greig, accompanied by a victim`s support witness, went to her now local police station in Shrewsbury to tell them to alert the Portuguese Police, as despite the proven case of paedophile abuse, neither of the Mackies had a record of any kind. The McCann team has accepted that the Mackies ought to have been questioned immediately. It is now understood that the British Police failed to pass on these details to their Portuguese counterparts. Hence, the official cover up has even extended to detracting from the Madeleine McCann investigation.”

Apart from the family home in Portugal being over 100 miles away from where Madeleine McCann disappeared, there is no evidence to substantiate this or any of Roberts other claims.


“Investigators have already informed us that discoveries of other paedophile rings in Scotland has been discovered, but it is clear that certain senior figures of authority are prepared to obstruct the course of justice and allow the known sexual abuse of some of society`s most vulnerable people to continue unabated, just to save their own skins.”

Robert has never produced any evidence to substantiate any of these allegations.


“The Hollie Greig story is now widely known by the media, police, legal, medical and political professions.

The facts are beyond dispute.

The only question that remains will be as to who has sufficient decency and courage to bring this and other issues to a just conclusion.

Robert Green
Investigator”

The Facts are that Robert Green is a fantasist – he has made claims that a group of individuals, some of whom don’t exist are members of a paedophile ring abusing children who have made public statements saying they were never abused, in a house that could not exist because the person that allegedly owned it does not exist.

Yet even after serving a jail sentence, Robert Green continues to blog and unjustly accuses innocent people to this very day! He is doing nothing more than persecuting innocent people, exploiting a disabled woman and perpetuating the illness of Anne Greig.

The supporting network of organisations like The UK Column and David Icke are simply in it because it makes “good copy” and pulls in an audience. An audience that seems not to realise they are being exploited emotionally, financially or both!

But that is nothing compared to the damage suffered by the innocent individuals being falsely named as paedophiles – and of course the exploitation of a disabled woman and the perpetuation of Anne’s illness….


PCCS CONCLUSIONS 


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As the original author has failed to put their name to it I take the liberty of reproducing it here, and commenting where I believe it is apposite.
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Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/12/2013

Did Sonia Poulton Deliberately Lie for Robert Green?
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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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‘The People’s Voice’ not so much for the people 

tpvspIn her programme, ‘Sonia Poulton – Live’ on ‘The People’s Voice’ channel, she recently had a guest by the name of Robert Green who spoke about an alleged abuse case in Scotland concerning a woman with Down’s syndrome called Hollie Greig.

Up until I watched the show I knew little of the accusations, only that someone alleged that there was a paedophile ring operating in Aberdeen which allegedly involved prominent members of the community, including police, the local sheriff, social services, medical staff, and others.

Watching the programme, I noticed there seemed to be a lot of inconsistencies in what Green was saying, and he didn’t give any real evidence of his claims. Something just didn’t seem right about the overall feel of the programme, so I started to take a look on the internet to try and find a little more information.

Surprisingly, most of what I found was repetition of the same story Green had relayed on the programme, even some of the same inconsistencies. A closer look revealed that most of the information was not based on any evidence whatsoever, and some of the connections made in the case on various websites were so tenuous I could not understand how an experienced journalist could not have had some serious doubts about the case, or asked Green some very hard questions.

After all, according to the promotional material of the streaming channel it is supposed to be unbiased, give all sides a right to their say, and ask the ‘hard questions’. It seems that all of those admirable journalistic claims did not apply to this episode.

I am not going to go into detail about the case, and all I can say is look for yourself. There is far more REAL evidence to cast serious doubt on Green’s account of the story than there is REAL evidence to back up Green’s claims – it is a total sham as far as I can see.

As I was looking around, I thought I would have a look at Sonia Poulton’s Twitter feed – and there was revealed just how bias the report on her programme was.

The Twitter conversation (or whatever it is called) involved Sonia Poulton and a user called ‘Hollie Greig Hoax’ who are apparently some of the people accused by Green of being involved in the allegations of a paedophile ring.

It was certainly an interesting read. Apparently, Sonia Poulton has refused to allow the accused to reply! It sounds more like the a modern case of the Pendle Witches than fair reporting and allowing all sides to have their say. She also stated that Green has ‘incredible evidence’ – now does that mean ‘unbelievable’ and difficult to believe, or does it mean ‘marvellous’ – look up the definition .

A little further digging revealed more about how Sonia Poulton treated the ‘accused’ in this case. Apparently, after Sonia Poulton refused to engage any further in the Twitter ‘conversation’, the ‘accused’ sent her a Skype request – which she also refused. If that were not enough, apparently Sonia Poulton hung-up when she was telephoned to discuss the report and the ‘accused’ right to appear on her programme. You can read about it on the Hollie Greig Hoax website.

When I started to look into Green a little bit further, it seems he has been warned many times to stop spreading his defamatory claims, even being imprisoned for his behaviour during which he sent letters to neighbours of the 22 people he accused of being involved stating they were paedophiles. The reason he has been warned is that he has NO evidence to make such claims! Incredible that he just doesn’t get the message, and even MORE incredible that supposed journalists don’t check their information before broadcasting Green’s claims.

It seems Green only likes journalists who will buy-in to his lies.

Green approached respected BBC investigative journalist Mark Daly, who has been involved in many of the biggest journalistic exposures of corruption and child abuse in the UK.

According to Green, a programme was commissioned by the BBC and was ‘pulled’ during the last week of production. This is yet another blatant lie by Green. After looking at Green’s version of events and the so-called ‘evidence’ he gave the reporter, the BBC decided they were not interested.

In a reply to Green, Mark Daly stated “I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.

After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle”

There is an interesting interview with Mark Daly about Green and his claims on YouTube.

So why on earth would Sonia Poulton think that anything Robert Green had to say in his accusations was true without checking first. This man has a long history of being unreliable at the very least.

‘The People’s Voice’? I don’t think so – more like a ‘channel’ to support ridiculous and tenuous conspiracy theories bandied about by anyone.

I had though (and hoped) that ‘The People’s Voice’ was capable of delivering what it said it could, but obviously it can’t.

The programming seems to be rapidly turning into a minority channel for followers of Icke and the usual conspiracy brigade, rather than a credible source of reliable and unbiased information. It is a shame, because there are some subjects that do warrant our attention, but are mixed in with other ‘stuff’.

Mainstream media is certainly not perfect and seems biased. But at least there may be a semblance of reliable information that you can make your own mind up about through intelligent analysis and research. I can only describe ‘The People’s Voice’ as an alternative version of the same but with more sensationalism and misdirection. Perhaps that’s why some of Icke’s celebrity chums didn’t get together and finance it.

I certainly won’t be watching. I did donate in the foolish belief that this was going to be something that was really worthwhile supporting – I have since cancelled. I would rather give my cash to people I meet who deserve it rather than fund this amateurish propaganda machine.

To view the original article CLICK HERE
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Obviously, based on factual information and provable evidence YOU must believe what you wish but without admissible evidence that Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused or any legitimate evidence that her uncle Roy Greig died in anything other than tragic circumstances committing suicide whilst drunk and under suspension from his job as subject of a police inquiry then may I suggest you do all you can to expose the lies of Robert Green, David Icke, Brian Gerrish, Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, Anne Greig and the claque of criminal fools aiding them.

I freely concede I was amongst those who were fooled by the lies and not only apologised but have done as much as I can to expose those lies ever since it became clear to me that no sound evidence has ever been produced to indicate Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused nor that Roy Greig did not commit suicide.

When Robert Green & Stuart Usher printed and distributed a list of those they swore were perpetrators and victims of child abuse I misguidedly published the list on the web log which I set up and maintained for Anne Greig at the time.

I u7nreservedly apologise for my gullibility at the time and have published my apology alongside the list ever since to ensure there is absolutely no doubt that the list is a total fabrication by Anne Greig & Robert Green as published and distributed by Robert Green & Stuart Usher.

Sonia Poulton has claimed she has seen incredible evidence in support of Robert Green’s stories – I believe it is incumbent on her to publish the evidence or disambiguate the term ‘incredible’ and admit it was not credible and that she was duped, as was I, she has a duty to expose the lies and apologise for her part in promoting them.

As I have done.
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Tom George & Some Informed Comment re The Hollie Greig Scam At The Time

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/07/2011

Tom George & Some Informed Comment re The Hollie Greig Scam At The Time

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This site was first posted on, on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
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It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

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Tom George & Some Informed Comment re The Hollie Greig Scam At The Time

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Hi,

here is a series of postings that go a long way to endorsing my exposure of the Hollie Greig case, as a pack of lies and self serving fantasies, by scoundrels and their naiive supporters; commencing with a letter from one of the early activists who was villified from the moment he exposed the truth that the stories about Hollie Greig and those surrounding her were nothing but stories and lacked a shed of admissable evidence or evidence of any credibility.

I have posted Tom’s communication and then published it in context with the comments he was responding to:

posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 11:48 AM

Thank you for your kind words justycI had to stand down from Hollie’s case when my health could no longer withstand the two-faced back-stabbing and when it became obvious that the “stories” put forward by Anne Greig and Robert Green were a crock of s**t.

I was involved in the very earliest stages long before the campaign was hijacked by self-serving egomaniacs like Paul Dorkton, Steven Milne, George McKendrick and Matt Quinn with their false identities, fawning neophytes and threats of violence. I cannot even begin to tell the story of the truly horrendous abuse I suffered at the hands of these evil people.

I know that I was not the only person vilified by the braying mob for trying to tell the truth and to stand up to the bullies on Facebook. Others like yourself, Pabs, Greg Lance-Watkins and Lesley McLaren suffered the same fate.

Stay safe and keep well,

Tom G

& here is Tom’s letter in context:


posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:38 AM
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perhaps before people start jumping up and down over this story they should actually research ALL the information being given.

There are far too many unanswered questions which Robert Green and Ann don’t want to answer and none of their rampant followers question – instead they label you as one of ‘them’ or a pedo supporter.

Here’s a few you can ask if you ever get the chance…

Why was Ann seeking contraception for her daughter WITH her husband?

Why Hollie, (who we are repeatedly told never lies), when asked on a filmed interview if her she was afraid of her father killing her dog, she said no.

Why does Ann’s story change when she’s telling it?

Why were some of the named victims not even born when the alleged abuse took place?

Why are all those accused people that Ann has had a falling out with?

Why does her son say none of it is true and why has she not contacted him despite his public appeals to?

Why do they continually lie about what happened with the BBC reporter Mark Daly and themselves – Mark Daly even called into a radio show that was interviewing Robert Green to set the record straight.

None of this you will hear from the supporters – they are blinkered to any other interpretation other than that which is spoon-fed to them by Robert Green (Ann having been taken as far as the High Court in London to be told to shut up with her lies or they will take Hollie away from her). You will be banned from their little groups if you ever question the story and labelled as a spy, traitor, hacker, pedo etc for simply pointing out the many inconsistencies in the story.


posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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reply to post by justyc

 

Hi

Do you have any links to back any of this up and does it come from the ministry of propaganda

This would all of course come out in court and if Mr Green or her mum is lieing then fine them or lock them up.

The goverment have tried every trick in the book to silence the family and trying to discredit the source is normal procedure.

I find it very hard to belive they would be so stupid as to accuse people that were not even born when the crimes took place myself and even someone with a low IQ like Hollie could dream up a better story.


posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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reply to post by Master_007

 

Actually I dedicated my own website solely to their campaign at first and i had all the paperwork available for download on it as well as all the available interviews they gave. I was also one of the admin on the 27000 member facebook group so i do know what i am talking about.

I went from someone who blindly believed her story at first (because they are very convincing, to actually finding the time to read ALL the available material and seeing that it didn’t add up. When I started to question the glaring inconsistencies, they turned on me and several others who were also doubting the ‘truth’ of their story.

All the proof you need is in the documents they made available and from Mark Daly’s mouth (who I also spoke with). He was initially interested in covering the story at first till he started investigating it for himself and soon found out that not all that Ann and Robert tell you is truthful. Call the BBC and speak to him.

Look up the medical condition ‘Folie à deux’ and you will understand what is going on here (only on a bigger scale with their supporters. Ask the Hollie team for all the available documents that Ann and Robert have put out, read them for yourself with an open mind and then come and tell me you have no doubts about their story.

You can infer all you like about propaganda or whatever, (i’ve had it all and more said about me after i started questioning her story already), – i’m just telling you what i went through and why i changed my mind over this story. Stop blindly believing everything the Hollie team are telling you. Do your own research because they certainly don’t. They don’t even bother read the evidence presented to them in support of Hollie because if they did they would see it’s full of holes.


posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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reply to post by justyc

 

Much respect for looking into this case more than myself.

I can except your word for it that the family side of the story has some contradictions but i still feel from what i have seen that this case should still go to court even if the result is the guilty/inocent people get to clear their names and its fair to think the state knows the people it is trying to protect are guilty.

Why did she get a £13,500 payout if no crime has been commited and did they realy need to send men in white coats to try and silence Ann.

Regards and i will look in to what you have said if you can provide links please.


posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Master_007
reply to post by justyc

 

Much respect for looking into this case more than myself.

I can except your word for it that the family side of the story has some contradictions but i still feel from what i have seen that this case should still go to court even if the result is the guilty/inocent people get to clear their names and its fair to think the state knows the people it is trying to protect are guilty.

Why did she get a £13,500 payout if no crime has been commited and did they realy need to send men in white coats to try and silence Ann.

Regards and i will look in to what you have said if you can provide links please.

Thanks for your reply.

Having spent much more time than you over this, I have to disagree that this case should go to court – it would be laughed out of there in seconds. If myself and others can pick Ann’s story apart then what will a trained lawyer do to it and her?

Do you really believe that anyone can make wild allegations about 30-odd people with not a shred of evidence and that it should go as far as the courts? Don’t you think some of it should at least be provable first?

Like the Sheriff’s named abuser sister (he doesn’t have a sister)

Like the dead non whisky-drinking brother/uncle who had no reason to kill himself (he was suspended from his job as a pub landlord for embezzlement and was also shown in a photograph with a glass of whisky in his hand)

Like the autopsy report that they never let anyone see when they claimed he had his skull bashed in and his ribs were broken (this was shown to be a head contusion… (aka a bruise) when it is actually seen by others and the broken ribs turned out to be fractures which are common when CPR is administered by an unskilled person – which is what happened)

Like how Ann never mentions in any interview that she claims she and Hollie were being poisoned by a nurse/relative who was giving her husband the poison as they were having an affair – even when they were in the shelter. They were also following her all the time.

How her finally leaving the house for the shelter has 2 different versions.

How her son claims she abandoned them several times and went missing from the house.

How her house was bugged.

How the hospital has no record of her ever being admitted.

How in all this time, she never saw any signs of abuse in Hollie and Hollie (who we are told can’t lie) never told anyone she was being abused. Nobody else saw any signs either and she was examined regularly.

Why they won’t talk about Hollie’s boyfriend

Why robert green won’t allow the taped conversation between him and mark daly to be made public.

How the police complaints commission has twice (as i understand) failed to find any evidence or truth in Ann’s claims whatsoever (you can view the entire findings of one time here – PCC findings ) That’s one document that I discovered myself – it’s not one that they want you to know about for obvious reasons. Most of the documents they provide are very poor, illegible photocopies (like they can’t access a scanner anywhere to make decent scans of all the originals that they claim they have).

They also seem to be very unfortunate and unlucky people in the amount of documents they claim are conveniently missing, edited or stolen etc etc

There is so much more i could go on about but i’ll leave you to ponder that lot for now.

As for the money she was paid – it was most likely decided that as there is no way they can prove what happened and felt sorry for her so gave her the benefit of the doubt. Paying her in no way implies there was any proof of abuse.

Robert also had the opportunity to take this all to court last year and he lied to his team when he said that he had filled in the paperwork to do so – he never did and that was the one chance they had that it could have gone to court. The last thing they want is for a court case to happen because all of this information and more will then become known and picked apart. Much better to travel the country telling tales to anyone that will listen and getting away with it.

I will say this though and add one piece of evidence from their collection, but i suggest you read it VERY carefully several times and don’t jump to any immediate conclusions, but think it over very carefully with an open mind … Doctors letter

It is ‘possible’ that Hollie was abused by her father (though this is never ever going to be provable in any court and any hope they had to take it there is now spoiled by the lies) but i don’t believe that there was ever a pedo ring involved. i think Ann is mentally unstable and concocted the whole story after she started investigating the money she thought she would get from her brother’s estate. It seems everyone who she came across in connection with it (lawyer, bank manager, police etc) suddenly became part of this ring which grew larger as her story did. Indeed anyone that opposes the story gets accused of being part of the coverup. like i mentioned before, robert green is her folie a deux partner.

The only interview they have ever given where the story was questioned publicly (mark daly), robert green refused to talk to him! You can listen to the whole thing here – please listen to all 6 parts All the other interviews have gone along with it hook, line and sinker without questioning anything, investigating any of it or reading any of the provided documents.

Hope this is helpful to you.

regards
justyc


posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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oh – forgot to add one thing about the alleged d-notice in connection to this story…

THERE ISN’T ONE!

…and that came straight from the mouth of the man who’s job it is to issue them. if i ever find his letter again i will post it here.

adding the text of the letter …..

Dear Mr Metcalfe,

Thank you for your e-mail.

Let me assure you that no Defence Advisory guidance has been issued on the case of Hollie Greig, nor will it be. The DA Notice System covers only the core national security issues defined in the five Standing DA Notices. These are of course purely advisory and are not supported by any form of sanction, legal or otherwise; advice offered under them can be accepted or ejected in whole or in part. For full details see http://www.dnotice.org.uk.

The case of Hollie Greig falls far outside the DA Notice System guidelines. and whether or not certain people are treating this case as a ‘no-go area’ it is certainly not because of any DA Notice concerns.

Sincerely,

Andrew Vallance
Air Vice-Marshal
Secretary, Defence Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee
Office: 0207 218 2206
HOME & MOBILE PHONE REDACTED G.L-W.

edit on 1-7-2011 by justyc because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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reply to post by justyc

 

I tried to read the details in the doctors link you posted but it’s a picture of a document and i can not make anything out.

Whats the connection to a vice air marshall who sent the message in your post.

I don’t think Hollie having a boy freind makes less of a case myself and few two people will tell the same story word for word perfect so no I don’t think the case would be laughted out of court and if the finger was pointed at me then i would welcome a court case.

it’s hard to prove documents have gone missing if they have gone missing and Mr Green does seem to keep a copy of a lot of documents and makes them open to the public.

not saying you can not find fault in the case but it sure looks like people can fault the defence case and can see that the case is being blocked from a very high level.

Do you have any links I can follow please


posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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reply to post by Master_007

 

I thought about a nice, long reply to your post answering all your questions and providing even more information and PROOF of things for you, and then I thought why should I bother?

If you can’t be bothered to use a simple zoom feature on THEIR document that I provided for you, take the time to listen to an audio recording which is extremely enlightening, read a very long and detailed official police investigation report, then whatever links I provide will be equally ignored in favour of your flippant comments – indeed, that is the case with most of the remaining die-hard supporters of this story. Facts don’t interest them. Ann’s own various versions of her own story don’t, Robert’s lies go straight over their heads and nothing you can show them will change their minds regardless of how damning to the case it is because they have already made their minds up already based on what they have been told – so eager are they to believe in a vast and frankly unbelievable sinister conspiracy involving everyone who dare doubt or question the story.

You can’t even be bothered to look up what a d-notice is and why I mentioned it.

I’ve wasted too much of my life already over this case and as you have already made up your mind as to what the truth is then no amount of posts by me to show you things you don’t know about will satisfy you, and as you can’t even go the tiny extra inch to look into any of what I posted – what is the point of me posting them.

Just carry on believing the ‘official’ story because the truth of it isn’t important to you.


posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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In response to the comments made by “justyc”, I attach a copy of Robert Green’s blog which is the most comprehensive source of info on the Hollie Greig case.

holliedemandsjustice-robertgreensblog.blogspot.com…

Many thousands of people have heard the Hollie Greig story and those who comprise the opposition are so few that they could be counted on the fingers of two hands.

To correct just one of the factual errors made by “justyc” the other persons named by Hollie as victims were born betweeen 1975 and 1990.

We can only look at the facts and draw our own conclusions. The only interpretation of the facts which is remotely credible to me is that a massive cover-up is ongoing. Perhaps if the politicians and mainstream media ended their silence some light could be shed on this case.


posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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reply to post by stevenmilne

 

hello stevenmilne (aka john taylor).

here is my challenge to you….

how about instead of posting a link to robert green’s blog where he ‘says’ a lot, you post instead a link to all the documents they have made available to the public, also include the autopsy report (which no-one other than stuart usher appears to have seen – but he also confirmed in an interview that it did not say what ann and robert claimed it did), the psychiatric report on ann, and green’s original and amended bail conditions.

then we can compare what has been said in interviews by ann and robert to what the paperwork actually says.

also, ask robert for permission to make available the taped phone conversations between him and mark daly so we can all make up our minds as to what was said in them.


posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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Well this is indeed a very sorry state of affairs.

I was involved with the Hollie Greig case from the very start long before lowlifes like Steven Milne and George McKendrick jumped on the bandwagon to fuel their own egos. They and others really are the gutter trash of society who should be locked up for a very,very long time.

Robert Green is a fantasist, a con-man and a menace to society and the full force of the law should be brought to bear against him. There is no veracity in the stories, there was no abuse ever. FACT.

I am grateful to Greg Lance-Watkins for exposing this sham. Greg is a man of intelligence, compassion and integrity although sadly, like myself, he is suffering from serious health problems.

Yours aye,

Tom G


posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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reply to post by tomgeorge

 

hello tom. hope you are doing well.

i’m sure you could inform members here of the amount of abuse you had from ‘hollie’s peaceful army’ since you started doubting the story. you (amongst others) went though enough of it for voicing your opinion. believing anything contrary to what robert ‘says’ puts an immediate target on your back, whilst their mass paranoia runs rampant.

do you remember when i was even accused of faking a letter that you had written and even when you wrote in reply that YOU had definitely written the letter and included your phone number for anyone to call you about it, they still would not believe it? i see they are still accusing you of being a spy for the government….

from the ‘official hollie website faq…

It was later discovered, through intelligence research, that GLW had fellow cohorts operating with him such as blogger alias Anna Racoon (solicitor and former employee of the secret Court of Protection) and alias Tom George, a man with more identities than a Russian doll, found to have worked out of an EU Government building in Paris.

‘intelligence’ and ‘research’ are two things that have been conspicuously absent in this case!

take care

 

posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Thank you for your kind words justyc

I had to stand down from Hollie’s case when my health could no longer withstand the two-faced back-stabbing and when it became obvious that the “stories” put forward by Anne Greig and Robert Green were a crock of s**t.

I was involved in the very earliest stages long before the campaign was hijacked by self-serving egomaniacs like Paul Dorkton, Steven Milne, George McKendrick and Matt Quinn with their false identities, fawning neophytes and threats of violence. I cannot even begin to tell the story of the truly horrendous abuse I suffered at the hands of these evil people.

I know that I was not the only person vilified by the braying mob for trying to tell the truth and to stand up to the bullies on Facebook. Others like yourself, Pabs, Greg Lance-Watkins and Lesley McLaren suffered the same fate.

Stay safe and keep well,

Tom G

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The Tony Legend Show that Exposed The Hollie Greig Hoax

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/07/2010

The Tony Legend Show that Exposed The Hollie Greig Hoax

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This site was first posted on on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

With thanks to the web site ‘Cutting Through The Rubbish’ with whom you will note I co-operated, particularly when I was running the Stolen-kids Hollie Greig web site for Anne Greig & Robert Green and subsequently when I realised they had lied to me and duped me dishonestly to promote their ‘Stories’ regarding Hollie Greig, at which stage I exposed the entire pack of lies.

The claque promoting the scam were so incensed with low lifes like John Taylor aka Stephen Milne, Belinda McKenzie, Robert Green, Matt Quinn, Brian Gerrish, George McKendrick and the like openly and dishonestly defaming me and the death threats which I reported to the police + the fact that devices were put in place to record all phone numbers, including those witheld I understand, shows the lengt6hs to which they were willing to sink to promote their scam.

I note that the videos that were on You Tube were withdrawn on ‘claims’ of breach of copyright, though I believe of more significance may well be the desire by the dishonest to suppress the facts regarding the Hollie Greig Hoax.

Probably with effort copies of the video clips could be found and were that the case perhaps someone can supply them for me to add to this thread once more.

Sunday, 4 July 2010

Transcript of Tony Legend Show with Mark Daly (BBC) Part 4

Tony Legend Show: BBC’s Mark Daly v Robert Green

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Fourth video (transcript beneath):

MD = Mark Daly
RG = Robert Green
AG = Anne Greig
TL = Tony Legend

MD: Let’s talk about that Robert.

RG: And the medical records of Hollie I’m empowered to talk about now which confirmed that a doctor Carter examined Hollie in 1990 and found that she had a sexually transmitted disease.

MD: Sure

RG: These are the kind of people that the Scottish establishment are trying to cover up for

MD: Sure. Look Robert I think you’ve heard me say already that I’m….what I said ..I’ve said several times tonight already that I think that there are strong grounds for backing up the suggestion that Hollie was abused probably by someone by…who had access to her. Yes, that’s not in dispute as far as I’m concerned Robert it never has been. Let’s talk about the autopsy. Now, the autopsy, I guess the listeners don’t know, this is Anne’s brother, now erm, Anne’s brother allegedly erm killed himself and I think that Robert now insists that …it’s suggested by Robert and the campaign team that this was murder because the brother, Mr Greig, had seen Hollie being abused. Now, what I’ve managed to find out Robert and I don’t know whether you as your, erm, your role as a senior investigator in this case whether you did but two days before Mr Greig was found dead he had been suspended from his job for financial irregularities, okay, and he was then…

AG: Can I just butt in here?

MD: Sure Anne, sure

AG: That, that’s not…he was suspended but er, he’d already spoken to his union meeting, er, leader about it and it was a minor thing, he had to go down to Glasgow and to speak to them, er, it was absolutely …it was a stock take problem right

MD: yes he was suspended on the suspicion of stealing money, that’s what he was suspended for….so he …er…

AG: You think my brother took his life because of that? Is that what you’re trying to say?
MD: Sorry?

AG: so who gave him the fractured skull, the broken sternum? And the broken ribs?

MD: Well, can I just come to that? I’ll just come to that. He didn’t have a fractured skull, he had some damage to his head yes, but not a fractured skull. Now what happened as far as I understand is that he fixed a pipe to the exhaust and attempted to kill himself and…

AG: Not attached

MD: …and something went wrong and the car went on fire, there were two people passing, dragged him out of the car and were attempting…

AG: They were passing? I don’t think so

MD: Now the injuries that you’re talking about Anne, a broken sternum, a broken ribs, these are all injuries which are consistent with CPR. Now did anybody…

AG: Nooo! Not at all

MD: Has anyone on this panel ever done first aid?

AG: Not at all

MD: Has anyone done first aid on this panel…

AG: We’ve had experts look at the autopsy

MD: Anyone who’s done first aid will tell you that the damage (can’t hear a few words because of Anne Greig’s raised voice) …consistent with CPR

AG: You are not medically qualified to state anything about my brother’s autopsy because you are not medically qualified. Now we have had experts look at my brother’s autopsy right

MD: I’m just telling you that this again is something else that would not stand up as far as a journalist is concerned from a news organisation (can’t hear because of Anne Greig’s voice drowning out Mark Daly’s.)

AG: So you’re telling me that the ambulance service knocked my brother’s …. you know fractured my brother’s skull?

MD: Well I’m lead to believe that there was no fractured skull…there was damage but there was no fractured skull and again it was at the back of the head and it was consistent with injuries while delivering CPR

AG: That’s absolute tummy rot…

TL: Alright, ha ha…we’re almost out of time folks. Anything else Mark that you’d like to say?

MD: Well I just …yeah, yeah I would actually. Now I don’t know whether what I’ve said tonight will make any difference to this campaign or to what they think about the BBC. What, what is interesting is that Robert has refused to give permission for the secretly recorded conversations to be broadcast, now I wonder what his thinking behind that is…but the one thing I would say, and …I know, Anne is obviously getting hostile against me now and I can understand why, but ..the one thing I’d say here is that this case, I can’t ever see this case getting to court unless some new evidence comes forward. But like I said before, the one allegation that did hold any water has been washed in a deluge of these other, slightly fantastical, allegations and I just wonder that when this fever and the emotion dies from this campaign, when no success is attained, when no newspaper will publish, that when the steam eventually runs out, who’s going to be looking after…who’s going to be looking out for Anne and Hollie then? Will Robert Green still be?

TL: Well er…
MD: Tony Legend? David Ike?

AG: I’m a fifty-eight year old woman for God sake you know?

RG: There’s no question about that Mark. I shall be here right to the end and I don’t agree with your analysis of that. And one other thing I would like to mention to you as well, is that the opposition, the solicitors representing the sheriff, who I am not going to name right now, representing him in this case, have already accepted that Roy Greig was murdered, that is the other side

MD: Oh Robert that’s just not true.

RG: Oh it is. We’ve got it. We’ve got the document.

MD: Robert, Robert …you are…

RG: It’s a legal document in the public domain, you can go look at it…

MD: Robert, Robert … …Truth Ninja, I don’t think you would know the truth if it was karate chopped across your neck Robert I wish…

RG: You should know that

MD: …I wish you good luck in your campaign for Parliament okay. And I think that erm, I hope that some of the things that have been said by the more sensible people listening to this program will be taken on board and considered properly, before people start turning up and demonstrating outside organisations, before people start making allegations, the most serious allegation anybody can make about someone to call them a paedophile. People should maybe have a little bit of, people should have a pause and really genuinely think about what it is that you’re doing here Robert, about the seriousness of what you’ve done. What you’ve done is an affront to free speech, it’s an affront to it, it’s not a demonstration of it, it’s an affront to it and it’s disgraceful. And you’ll have to live with that. Tony thanks very much for having me

RG: He, Mark I have no trouble in living with myself over this, it’s the cowards you try to cover and that included you.

TL: No worries er Mark I do appreciate you coming on and you’ve done a good job of giving your side of the story and I understand that, obviously it’s a hot topic, but the bottom line is that, as we can all agree, Dennis Mackie has a lot to answer for. He’s still free, he’s not hiding, he’s a free man so maybe we should go and door knock him or doorstep him as you would put it and see what he has to say on the matter, but I do appreciate your time, you’ve been a good guest and thank you very much for er giving us your time and coming on the show tonight.

MD: All the best Tony

TL: Alight, no worries, thanks very much. There he goes folks, Mark Daly …alright we’re going to go to a track. Ten minutes to ten ….that was KRS one. Robert did you like that?

RG: Err It gives me nightmares

TL: Ha ha, I’m sorry I couldn’t resist it

RG: Nooo, you should be ashamed of yourself

TL: The last time I spoke to you, this was before you got arrested…er, rearrested, I played that song and sure enough the police came up for yer

RG: Ohh..they’re probably listening right now. They’re probably on their way as we speak.

TL: Well listen folks, we’re all friendly and we all just want to fight corruption and I think that any er law enforcement officer should be fighting for law enforcement and there’s a lot of stuff that’s gone on which is absolutely ridiculous and I think deep down in their hearts they know what’s really gone on and just think that maybe a few more of them should maybe have to take a pay cut or lose their salary and just go on and er fight for freedom and fight for justice, but anyway don’t let me rant here…we’ve got Lorraine on the line. Lorraine welcome to the tony Legend Show.

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Transcript of Tony Legend Show with Mark Daly (BBC) Part 3

Tony Legend Show: BBC’s Mark Daly v Robert Green

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MD = Mark Daly
RG = Robert Green
TL = Tony Legend
AG = Anne Greig

The video repeats itself by starting at Mark Daly’s sentence “Now this sheriff who is one of the ringleaders…” but I’m cutting straight to where the last video ends off.

[It gets a bit manic here with both talking over the other]

MD: That’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about Tony program…

RG: Ah! No, no, no! I invited you to that meeting and I was going to give you a platform and

MD: Really? I don’t, don’t recall that…If I have Robert then …

RG (really starts raising his voice over Mark Daly’s now): There was your chance!
(Mark Daly in the background apologising, he must have missed the email, Robert Green still talking over Mark who is now asking Robert to please continue…)

RG: No! Because you had a chance to speak. You’re only on here now because you’re getting your collar felt. You’re probably under orders from somebody …(something about the BBC mentioned during Robert’s rant but can’t make it out)

MD: No actually. No, no.

RG: I’m not going to let you off the hook.

MD: Tony, can you mediate this properly please?

TL: Yes, yes. I’m trying to. Go ahead, yes.

MD: Tony now…er…as part of this paedophile ring, the ringleader is the sheriff, he’s also involved with his sister and his sister’s wife. Now Robert being an investigator, Truth Ranger as he’s been called, will of course have made sure that these relationships exist. The truth Tony, is that this sheriff has no sister, therefore has no brother-in-law. Okay. So you know, these are the main people of the paedophile ring and two of them don’t exist. Okay. Now, shall I move on?

TL: Yeah, I’d just like to …Anne, would you like to say anything to that?

AG: That’s not true at all

MD: Well these things as you know are checkable through the register of births, deaths and marriage, marriages and er ask Robert to maybe have a look at that. Now next…

AG: I think you must have the wrong sheriff there

TL: sorry, say that again there Anne

AG: I think you must have got the wrong sheriff

MD: No I don’t have the wrong sheriff Anne I’m afraid, I don’t. Now, if I can just continue

TL: Yeah, continue

MD: It’s been said, well firstly, the allegations were made at first in 2000 and many of the allegations were said to have… some of the abuse was said to have taken place in the sheriff’s house in Aberdeen. This sheriff…

AG: That’s not true

MD: Well Anne, I’ve seen some of the allegations and it is true

AG: Ah that’s not true, that’s not what we told you.

MD: He didn’t live in Aberdeen until 2000. He didn’t live in Aberdeen until 2000

RG: We never said that

MD: He only lived there in 2000. These are the kind of things…

AG: We never said his house. At all. We never mentioned his house at all

MD: It has been said Anne. It has been said. These are the kind of things that investigators investigate to see whether or not they can proceed with a story. Now can I move on?

AG: That was never said at all that it was at his house.

MD: Okay, well I think you have, have said that. That allegation has been made Anne.

AG: Hollies’ here, do you want to speak to Hollie and ask her?

MD: No I don’t Anne. I think that would be inappropriate.

AG: No, no I didn’t think you would.

RG: We never said it was the sheriff’s house. (unintelligible) so I’m afraid this another lot of nonsense you’re coming out with.

MD: Robert

RG: I could…

MD: Robert, you know those other seven children you’ve named?

RG: Sorry?

MD: you know the seven other children that you’ve named?

RG: Yes.

MD: Two of them weren’t born at the time of these allegations.

RG: I think that is…I think you’re absolutely wrong there Mark.

MD: Have you spoken to any of these people?

RG: I’m not making any comments on them.

MD: Have you spoken to any of the people that you’ve said have had any part of this paedophile ring? Have you spoken to any of the other victims that you’ve named? Because I can tell you they’re all (unintelligible) about it

AG: (raising her voice) These children that you are speaking about are all adults now

MD: Sorry?

AG: These children that you’re speaking about are adults

MD: No there not. Two of them are ten years old and were not born at the time of the allegations.

AG: (shouts) they’re all adults

MD: Shall I move on?

TL: Yep yep, continue if you want yeah

MD: Now it’s been said that your son was erm, well he faced a charge for lurid behaviour I think or some sort of flashing offence, but the sheriff in question helped him to get off with it, okay, I don’t think that’s in dispute at all.

AG: No, no that’s not what I said at all.

MD: And that his business card was found

AG: That’s correct

MD: The business card ….

AG: Now it wasn’t a business card for..it was for a lawyer, not a sheriff

MD: okay, the allegation as I was told is that the lawyer is the same as the sheriff and that was the sheriff who helped him get off, but in fact he didn’t get off. He was convicted of that offence.

TL: Well Mark, if I can come in there for a minute, I, obviously we’re getting to the ins and outs here which is…
MD: yes, but Tony, but it’s important because I’m telling you the reason that a story like this can’t be published or broadcast, because when it comes to it, when you look at the allegations, when you look at the evidence, I’m afraid that many of the allegations just don’t stand up.

TL: But…I mean just for a minute…maybe you’ve called me naive for thinking this before, but surely a court of law but the place to have these sort of discussions and not on er the Tony Legend show? A court of law would be a much more ideal place you know…hands on the bible and swear and stuff…

MD: tony, you know, you’ve got a great point there and the point here is that the one allegation that had any legs – the one allegation that should have been brought in front of a court, in front of a judge, had been washed in a deluge of other allegations, which I’m afraid don’t stand up. Now if Robert, this lead investigator, had taken the time to perhaps go and speak to any of the other victims that he’s named, to any of the people that he’s accused of being a paedophile, he might have been able to get a little closer to the truth himself. But, you know, two of the people in this…two alleged victims were not born at the time. Two were in their late teens, almost in their twenties, does that ring true?

AG: That’s not true at all. I’ve…

MD: What kind of investigation have you done Robert?

AG: That is not true at all.

MD: Two of the people have said that they only met Hollie once or twice. Now these are all things that are very easily checkable. None of these things has Robert done – none of them. These are the, these are the types of things that an investigator does, and Robert has done none of them. And these are the reason I’m afraid Tony, Anne, these are the reasons why the BBC cannot broadcast a story like this, because the allegations, the wider allegations, I’m afraid do not stand up. And the one allegation that did….could possibly have stood up has been washed amongst the rest of them.

RG: I’m going to give you one …

MD: And on who’s conscience will that be on Robert?

RG: I don’t…yours as much anyone’s I think Mark, but one thing I will do and I might make one concession to you and the BBC, I…that three documents came forward after the BBC dropped the story and to give…to be fair to you, I think had you got those documents I think even the BBC would have stood up to whoever is threatening them…the three documents…

MD: You’re still insistent you’re not going to drop this story…

RG: No, no, no. I’m going to tell you what the documents are and then you can perhaps have a think about it and perhaps come back and tells us if you think you would continue to the story had you had access to these documents.

MD: Okay, carry on.

RG: Firstly the document from Alisa Angolini claims she had no connection with the case whatsoever, in fact as you well know because you’ve seen the documents we have a letter from James ..er..from Brian Adams MSP dated the 25th er 27th October 2000 writing directly to Mrs Angolini asking her directly how she’s getting on with the case…

MD: What does that prove?

RG: …we’ve got a document …No I’m telling you the documents we’ve got now

MD: What does it prove?

RG: It proves that the Lord Advocate was lying about it

MD: It proves that the Lord Advocate you know, may have mislaid a letter…so what?

RG: Oh no! No, no Mark there’s a letter here that you saw because it’s in the documents, you saw this letter, it stated the 12 July 2001 it’s from the Procurator Piscal’s Office headed Alisa Angolini at the top of it and writing here to Anne’s solicitor at the time to Eyvon McKenna actually discussing the case and this is the case that Mrs Angolini had no knowledge off…or no involvement. You have that document.

MD: I’m afraid that’s a bit thin Robert, if you are the journalist you claim to be then you’d know that. Why don’t you tell me what the next document is.

RG: I think you’re a weak journalist because you knew the Lord Advocate had been lying but you didn’t want to take them on in case anything happens to you.

MD: Why don’t you tell me what the next document is Robert

RG: And also, the other document we had as well you didn’t have and I have to say again I think the BBC might even looked at it slightly differently was the autopsy report we finally got hold of…

MD: Ah! Okay. Yes, let’s go for it

RG: …we finally got hold of on the death

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Transcript of Tony Legend Show with Mark Daly (BBC) Part 2

Tony Legend Show: BBC’s Mark Daly v Robert Green

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MD = Mark Daly
TL = Tony Legend
RG = Robert Green
AG = Anne Greig

MD: (continued) would lose my job, the first thing I would do would be to resign and to go freelance and tell the story myself. Now does it really ring true to you Tony? Does it?

TL: Well, if this was the BBC maybe twenty years ago I would take it on but for me the BBC has lost a lot of credibility and respect.

MD: Listen, I’m not here to defend the BBC, er, BBC has its problems er, it does, but I’m here to talk to you tonight about my role in this and I’m asking you Tony, do you really think that rings true?

TL: Well, I let Robert come in because he wants to say something to you there…Robert go ahead.

RG: Yes I do Mark. Now Mark …

MD: Hello Robert

RG: Hello Mark, now I maybe regards a little old fashioned but I believe in chivalry. It’s not only because you refuse to do the story that distresses me enormously and we can talk about that, I’m not going to talk about it unless you give me your assurance on this. You are not only in the situation where you did not run the story, but you insulted a lady and that lady happens to be my client Anne Greig. You made serious aspersions in writing about her mental state. They were heartless, cruel, they were groundless and more over you knew they were groundless and unless I get an unconditional apology to you right now, Anne is here at the studio, I will not talk to you any more about this.

MD: Right, okay. Robert I …to be honest I’m actually surprised you actually came on the program tonight to, to, to speak to me and I think, you know, it would be rather cowardly of you if you were to suddenly hang, or suddenly walk out of the studio and not take any further part in the debate. Now what I will say about what you’ve just said is that Anne passed me, erm, details, medical details about her. Now if you think I’m going to talk about somebody’s personal medical details on air, I’m just not going to do it, what I will do, what I will do is this, from the notes, from the evidence, from the documents that I was given by Anne, it was very clear to me in my opinion, in my opinion that had I to rely on, in a court, defending allegations I had made about somebody, a paedophile (unintelligible) that I would not be able to rely on her in court. That was the conclusion I reached, that was the truthful conclusion I reached, that was what I believed and that’s what I said to Anne in a private letter Robert, and I’ve no wish to talk about, erm, Anne’s mental health on air, you know, with hundreds or thousands of people listening. Okay. Now, if you still don’t wish to discuss these issues…

AG: hang on a second.

MD: Okay Anne.

AG: Right, this is my, you know, er, medical things that we’re speaking about here and I have got absolutely nothing to hide.

MD: Okay. I still, you know, Anne I…

AG (shouts over MD): Okay!

MD: Anne, I’ll be happy to talk to you, erm, about this issue if you like on a personal note…

AG (interrupts): Okay!

MD: on a personal…

AG (interrupts): the documents I gave you, the documents that I gave you proved that this was a paper chase right. Three…well, not even three months after I was sectioned the whole case was dropped. Everything.

MD: Okay Anne

AG: And this is now how many years down the line? Right? So don’t, don’t you say that you had this thing about me because that is really highly insulting

MD: I’m sorry that you were. That you took as it insulting Anne. I was giving you a genuine appraisal of my opinion of the situation. However, Anne, there are many, many more reasons why I was unable to continue with this story and now, if Robert agrees and if you agree, I will talk to you about that conclusion that I reached at some point and I’d be happy to, but I’d like to move on to the many, many other reasons which meant that this is not a story that I or the BBC or for that matter, any other reputable, any other reputable news organisations can ever publish…

AG: Mark, I’d just like to say to you, are you medically qualified?

MD: As I said to you Anne, it isn’t, it was my opinion that, my opinion only…

AG: Yeah, your opinion

MD: …that…hang on…

AG: but you’re not medically qualified are you?

MD: no and I don’t claim to be, but it was my opinion that had I had to rely on you in court then I thought that your credibility would have been impaired…

AG: What did you think I would have done in court like?

MD: Anne, I’m sorry that was the conclusion I reached at…

AG: What do you think I would have actually done in court?

MD: what do you mean? It’s not what you would have said in court Anne, that’s not, that’s not what it was about and I took great pains to explain to you and to Robert the reasons behind my decisions related to the documents that you passed me

TL: Now can I just come in for a wee second folks. Now Mark I respect that this, this is tension all round in all angles here but erm, I’d like to move on a second because at the end of the day it’s not about Mark Daly, it’s not about the BBC, It’s not about censorship or any who said…who said what….the bottom line is that we both agree that Hollie was abused by her dad and so I would like to focus on that.

MD: I’m not saying anything like that, but I’m saying to you is that I think that there was probably some strong evidence that Hollie was abused …yes…and I’m not saying…

AG: Mark, as far as I’m concerned I just say the loop

MD: Can I just move on…

AG: No! As far as I’m concerned I could be the loopiest person on this planet and that does not distract from the fact that my daughter was abused.

MD: It does not Anne, it does not, absolutely not so..

TL: So erm…

MD: Can I, can I just come in a minute please

TL: Yes

MD: Robert, in …there are various things online, you’ve said online. You’ve said things online, you’ve said things to radio stations, to anyone who would listen really, erm, you’ve named this paedophile ring, erm, you have…at the bottom of everything you’ve said all these names, al l known to me as a result of my extensive investigation and I believe them to be true, so you investigated all these allegations Robert, is that right?

RG: Mark, I want an unconditional apology to Anne right now. (gets angry, raises his voice) I’ve just told you. I’m not talking to you again until you behave like a gentleman. This is you and me, man to man. Have the guts to apologise your disgusting remarks about Anne’s mental state, have no bearing on the case anyway and you knew to be false.

MD: Tony, can I just suggest to you that, I don’t think Robert is going to erm, engage in anything to do with me tonight because he knows that what I’ve got to say, erm, is going to be slightly problematic for him. So if you can just try and mediate the situation Tony because….what I will do is say that I’m very sorry that Anne was offended by comments that I made. I am sorry about that, but there’s nothing I can do about the fact that was my opinion and I’d like to say I’m sorry Anne was offended by that, but Robert, if you can please move on and just answer the questions.

TL: I would just like to say, I mean obviously I’m not a medical expert either but after meeting Anne for even after five minutes I could realise that she’s very articulate and very well spoken and not in any way crazy and the way I perceive this when she was sectioned, that, that just looked to me like trying to discredit her and it seems to have worked.

MD: Okay, well, if we can agree to move on Tony please.

TL: Alright…Robert…

MD: Robert, would you answer the questions please

RG: Well no. Have you, is that an unconditional apology to Anne? Will you withdraw everything you said and admit that what you said was groundless? It was based on lies and you knew it to be false. I want you to say that on air now.

MD: No, I’m sorry, I can’t Robert, no…

RG: You’re not getting off the hook that easily, you lied.

MD: Sorry, I can’t say that Robert .. Robert look..
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RG: Well in that case I’ve got nothing more to say to you Mark, that’s the end as far as I’m concerned

MD: Tony…okay..

RG: You are not a gentleman

MD: Tony, why don’t you come in here, just try and take control of the situation please.

TL: Alright. We’ll move on Mark. What else would you say here live, because I know this, this…

MD: Tony, I’ve had months of this without ever being asked to give my side of the story, even this program Tony, erm, not once was I asked to come on and put my side of the story. I wasn’t asked for a right of reply. I had to ask to come on this program, okay…so, if you don’t mind I’d like to say my piece…

TL: Okay. Yeah. If that’s…go ahead you have the floor.

MD: Now, Graham…er Robert, you’re saying that you’re an investigator, you’re saying that all these allegations have been investigated and their known to you to be true, now let’s start with the sheriff. Now this sheriff who is one of the ringleaders of this ring, the sheriff’s sister is also involved and the sheriff’s brother-in-law….Am I right?

TL: yeah, continue that.

MD: Robert, am I right?

TL: He’s er, he’s busy writing. Sorry .. we’re caught up here…you said something there Mark about er..

RG: Yes, you’ve just said another untruth Mark. You, as you well know, I emailed you about the public meeting that was held on the 3rd October at the Quake Hall in Edinburgh.

MD: What? What’s that got to do with this?

RG: It’s got everything to do with because you said you weren’t invited to give your part side of the story. I invited you to ….

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Transcript of Tony Legend Show with Mark Daly (BBC) Part 1

Tony Legend Show: BBC’s Mark Daly v Robert Green

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TL = Tony Legend
MD = Mark Daly

TL: This is Manchester video online dot com. Twenty-five minutes to nine right now. that was Junior Kelly with Corruption. Alright then, I’m joined now by Mark Daly from BBC Scotland … and Mark, I appreciate you having the guts to come on and tell your side of the story so I’d like to first of thank you for your time and thank you for coming on the show tonight.

MD: Hi Tony, how you doing? Well yeah, thanks for having me on the show. Erm, I guess by way of an opening statement I just like to say that I didn’t have any intention of coming onto a program like this to justify my actions or the BBC’s actions. I have no wish to compound what is already an extremely tragic and very sad situation. However, over the weeks and months I’ve been, you know, a victim of a sustained barrage of abuse about mine and the BBC’s decision to drop this story, erm, which we did, no question about it, we did look at this story and we did drop so tonight I’ve come onto the program to explain my reasons for doing that.

Erm, I don’t…you know, there are some things I’m going to say tonight which probably won’t be that easy for some of the people in the studio to hear but I feel that my hand has been forced. I just hoped that erm, you Tony, erm give me a fair hearing and I’m very pleased that Mr Green is on the program as well to join in with the debate.

TL: Alright, let’s just start at the beginning if that’s alright. How did you first hear of Hollie Greg?

MD: Well, the story was passed to me and I’ll summarise very quickly how my involvement in this story began. I spoke to Robert Green and I spoke to Anne, and erm, I had a few conversations over a a few days and I asked for a selection of paperwork to be sent to me. I was told that there was a massive bundle of paperwork which is always good for guys like me. So I asked for this to be sent to me and it was sent, and on the face of it there was an extremely powerful story what you had was, erm, some (unintelligible) very serious allegations.

Now at the time we were looking to do a program about justice and how people with learning disabilities have problems accessing justice for precisely the kinds of reasons that you people are campaigning, that their not viewed as credible witnesses. This is an extremely important issue and one which the BBC thought that we would have a look at. What Hollie would have been was probably our chief case study. So on the basis of the evidence which we had, erm, it looked like there was some strong grounds to support Hollie’s allegation that she’d been abused by … probably by somebody in her family. That was supported by a letter from a senior police officer and the fact that she had received compensation despite no charges being brought.

So on that basis alone there was a very strong program there. There were some other allegations about a wider paedophile ring, now …I’ve been a journalist for a lot of years, erm, I’ve done programs about many things, paedophiles is one of them. I did a program called “Britain’s most wanted paedophiles,” I’ve chased five ‘on the run’ paedophiles around Europe for months until they were finally back in police custody. I know quite a lot about the subject and I know that these things do happen and I know they happen in Britain and I know that some times they happen under our own noses, so I was prepared to…to…believe that these allegations could have some grounds, but the basis on the initial allegations, about the initial abuse carried out by somebody in her family – those allegations looked like they stood up. I some opening conversations with our lawyer about whether or not I would have enough evidence to confront this person and it looked like I probably did and on that basis I was given a provisional commission to make two programs, TV, half hour for Scotland and er, radio, half hour for Scotland.

Now you must understand that journalists look into dozens and dozens of stories every year. Some make it, most don’t. Some get commissioned and some get dropped mid way through a commission because maybe a story isn’t there or it’s not what they thought or other things come up, that’s just part of television.

So, what we then did…and you know, Robert you read the email out on this very program Tony, so erm, I’m not debating I never have done about the fact that there was a provisional commission to make a program on this case, so what next happened, I and my team travelled down to see Anne and Hollie, Robert Green was also there and, erm, we spent four or five hours talking to the family who, like I said at the time, I like very much and sympathise very much er…particularly all the paperwork which we’d asked for worked very very quickly, in fact almost as soon as we came out of the house we knew that there were problems, but you know, in a week or two we came to the conclusion that this was not a story that we could proceed with.

We knew that the vast majority of these allegations were unprovable and we were not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we wanted to believe, so we dropped the story. Now, Anne’s response, as was Roberts….now this is before you come back with questions, I’m sure you’ve got a few …I took the precaution when I phoned up Anne, to erm…when I was telling her about this, er, my reasons for dropping the story, I took the precaution of secretly recording… not secretly…recording the conversation for (purposes?) and also recorded the conversation with Robert Green for not taking (purposes?) and with the BBC you can do that but you’re not allowed to broadcast that material, it’s just to protect you, for example if the case comes to court or something like that.

Now, as you know, both Anne and Robert have alleged that I told them that I had to drop this story because I was forced to by my bosses, because of pressure from the government, pressure from a legal company…a legal firm called ‘Levan McCray’(?) and that I was in fear for my job, therefore I had to drop this story. Now, that conversation did not take place. Those words were not spoken and I’m afraid that I have the recorded evidence to prove it. However, that didn’t stop Robert and Anne going around the country, going on various satellite television channels, online video stations and writing that in fact I had been forced to drop the story, that I was a journalistic coward and I was in fear for my job. Now I’m afraid that isn’t, that just isn’t true because I’m not in the business of shying away from big stories, these stories are what I do. I’ve taken on some of the biggest institutions in the country, government, police, erm..I do investigate paedophile stories, if I thought I could run this one I would have done and the suggestion that I or the BBC would have walked away from a story because it’s too big or we were too scared, it’s fanciful, it just is. It’s misguided and insulting, er if this story was what er I was told it was I would’ve been all over it and I’m afraid the evidence did not support it.
Now, I’ve got many, many other things that I want to say but I want to give you or Robert a chance to come in and er asked something.

TL: Well, I’ll just like to go…I’ve got an email here from Marcus Ryder, now Marcus is your editor, is that correct?

MD: That’s true

TL: Now, I’ve got a letter here, it’s to Mr Green, that’s Robert Green, it’s from Marcus Ryder, now he says in the middle of this: When Mark Daly told Anne that he could lose his job if he were to broadcast this story, clearly (?) behind this is that it would be careless and unprofessional to broadcast allegations which could not be proven – careless and unprofessional workers rarely keep their jobs and I understand that and that’s fair enough…

MD: That’s exactly what I said and then at the end of my conversation I said, look, if I was the kind of journalist that went around broadcasting allegations which I knew were unprovable, which I knew I could never find the evidence to back it up then, journalists like that won’t stay journalists for very long. Now, somehow in that explanation it’s gone from that to me being in fear for my job because I’ve been pressurised by my boss, the government and levy McCray, now those two things don’t just tie up Tony. Now I ask you Tony, as a journalist which you told me you are, does it ring true to you that a journalist who’s done the kind of work I’ve done would suddenly decide to walk away from a story because he was scared? If I’d been told by the BBC or the government that I must drop this story that I…

End of first video (second part in article above)

Friday, 2 July 2010

Robert (Roy) Greig Embezzlement

It seems that the Palestine Telegraph (see article below ) may have combined artistic licence with fact.

The Palestine Telegraph tells us that Anne Greig was apparently “abused by her husband after she commenced checking the background to her brother Robert’s mysterious death and the money paper trail that he had left behind.”

The “paper trail” seems to be correct; however it was not while Anne was checking her brother’s “mysterious” death as PT would have us believe. According to a letter from Dr Elizabeth Henderson to Dr S. Wilson: A couple of weeks prior to Anne leaving her marital home Anne had found out that her brother, Robert (Roy) Greig, had embezzled her of some money. Since finding out about the embezzlement Anne had been preoccupied with investigating the source of the financial misdemeanour and her time had been consumed by this activity.

The letter goes on to say that Anne had seemingly built up an elaborate scheme, whereby her husband, son and Dr Wilson (to whom the letter was addressed) are all involved with a conspiracy against her and collaborating to prevent her from discovering the true misdemeanour of her brother’s embezzlement. Interestingly, it is now a conspiracy to prevent any justice for Hollie’s apparent abuse.

It appears that between the year 2000 and 2009 the story has changed from embezzlement to a “mysterious” death, although when the change of story actually took place is uncertain, but we do have a clue in the form of Robert Green’s talk currently on Youtube: Vid 1 and Vid2 where he states that:

@ 9:32 “Anyway, just to round up that particular part of the story, when I became involved in it about 18 months ago after we sort of, er, obviously we were concentrating very much on what happened to Hollie, but we did actually start to look at the death of Roy as well, and I approached the Crown Office to see if we could have a copy of this autopsy, you know, 12 years ago…

Continued on the next video:

…they repeatedly refused this very important documentation and it was by this time that Anne felt her brother had been murdered because of the incident involving Mackie. Er, the Crown Office told both Anne and myself that erm, yes they have got the document there but they didn’t…it wasn’t the normal procedure that’s passed onto the next of kin.”

His comment is confusing. First it seems that he and Anne only started looking into Roy’s death when Robert Green became involved 18 months ago, but then seems to contradict himself in the next part of the video: “…it was by this time that Anne felt her brother had been murdered…” By what time? By the time Robert Green became involved in the case or when the Crown Office refused to relinquish the autopsy 12 years ago?

Of course we have no idea whether or not Anne Greig truly did attempt to get a copy of her brother’s autopsy report; we only have her recent word on that. However, the official letters seem to indicate that Anne had initially believed Robert Grieg’s death was suicide so it does seem unlikely that she had made any attempt at receiving a copy of the report. If she had not, then we can assume that Roy’s death being deemed as murder may have occurred only when Robert Green became involved around 2009.

Perhaps another observation to note is that in the same letter, dated 3 May 2000, it explains that Anne is convinced that her husband was having an affair with a nurse (Anne’s cousin) who was giving her husband drugs which enabled him to poison her. I say another observation to note because this later changed to Anne stating that her husband had been poisoning Hollie and having her followed (source: letter to Ms Dinsmore from Dr Fiona Palin, dated 24 December 2003). So it appears that in the space of three years (2000 – 2003) the story had altered slightly from her husband attempting to poison her, to her husband poisoning Hollie. Incidentally, in Dr Smith’s psychiatric report, Anne had repeated the allegation of her husband having an affair with her cousin but had omitted the part about her cousin passing poison on to her husband. Considering Anne was trying to show that she is of sound mind at the time of Dr Smith’s analysis then perhaps it is of no surprise that she may have chosen to omit this detail.

It could be said that all these doctors are lying and as Anne says; that they are all conspiring against her. But it could also be as likely that Anne may have altered the story as time went by. At the moment, and without evidence, the reason why can only be speculated.

But what about the apparent embezzlement? According to Anne, her brother had no reason to commit suicide and that he had no financial problems. If this is true then why would her brother steal money from her?

The National Archives of Scotland has a record of an R. Greig who had gone into bankruptcy between 1 April1994 and 31 March 1995, only two years prior to Robert (Roy) Greig committing suicide. Is this Anne’s brother? Going by the embezzlement it may well be, but just as equally the name may belong to another person and the date is coincidental.

Whatever the truth behind these apparent discrepancies there is one thing for certain, to get to the bottom of things then perhaps these details need to be investigated further, especially as these discrepancies may leave a question mark as to how many times the story has altered (if at all), over what period of time and to what degree.

Photocopies courtesy of StolenKids-Hollie.

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DRAMATIS PERSONAE re The Hollie Greig Hoax / Scam

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/03/2010

This site was first posted To on 22-Oct-2012 and material from the original
http://StolenKids-HollieGreig.blogspot.com were imported upto 03-Mar-2010.

Additional material from that web site will be posted as and when it becomes available in my archive ‘system’.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.
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DRAMATIS PERSONAE re The Hollie Greig Hoax / Scam:
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Posted by:
Greg Lance – Watkins
Greg_L-W

eMail: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

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Hi,

StolenKids-Hollie

CAVEAT – This was the Official Site In Hollie’s Name ~ EVERY Posting was Approved By Anne & Hollie Greig & Robert Green until 30-Apr-2010

This was an OFFICIAL site for Hollie GREIG as per the conditions on:
http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/
Anyone wishing to promote Anne Greig’s ‘STORY’ about her daughter Hollie and the lies about her brother’s suicide is encouraged and requested to read the facts & details on the blog below. Thank YOU for any links or help YOU can give to other StolenKids Blogs that are genuinely seeking Justice.

In a Quest for the truth and desire to ensure Justice is seen to be done and that Anne & Hollie, who since 01-Jun-2010 have been under the protection of The High Court, we hope they get the care they need to protect them; and that the dishonest and corrupt like Robert Green, Brian Gerrish, David Icke, George McKendrick, Paul Drockton, Matt Quinn and their like are dealt with by the law – Do read the whole of this site and if you wish to discuss it in an adult and courteous manner or need more details please contact me.

DRAMATIS PERSONAE

DRAMATIS PERSONAE

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DO BE MINDED THAT IF YOU WISH TO RESEARCH FACTS RELATED TO THE Anne GREIG ‘STORIES’ REGARDING HER DAUGHTER Hollie GREIG & THE VARIOUS MAIN & BIT PLAYERS IN THIS FANTASY & THE SUBSEQUENT RAMIFICATIONS.

put the name in The search Box on the RIGHT SideBar.

The aim is to study the available FACTS – establish the TRUTH & Ensure Justice is not only done but seen to be done.

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It is clear that this story and the malicious and vitriolic abuse of anyone seeking through facts to establish the truth has been endemic in this apparent fantasy!
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AYEM  a loyal neophyte of David Icke since 1993 – acts as a publicist for his chosen, if shodily researched, causes.
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS SHE NOW?!
Has she realised she was duped?

BARR, Sandra – Sandra Barr of Northern Ireland basing a means of elevating herself on this story. All the personality of a viper when challenged in her route to self seeking and notoriety
See CLICK HERE & Also CLICK HERE.
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS SHE NOW?!

Has she realised she was duped?

BENNETT, Tony – Tony Bennett came to prominence through UKIP as a vicious extreme and irresponsible Islamaphobe.
Fired by the MEP he worked for he then joined Veritas which slid into oblivion as his Homophobic involvement in the Stephen Lubbock killing burgeoded and now leading a McCann organisation of strange individuals obsessed with the case – clear blame is easily apportioned CLICK HERE which has led him to confrontation and seemingly silencing by Messrs. Carter Ruck but like ‘Freddy’ this most unchristian of evangelical Christians will re-emerge.
An individual who has proved to be not a man to trust – with a vicious self serving self interest and little regard for truth.
Seemingly has taken an interest in Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ but has as yet rejected them as unsound.

BUTLIN CAT hides his idiotic gullibility having fallen for almost every conspiracy theory he can find, his real name is John GRAHAM but obviously he is rather embarrassed by his idiocy and hides his identity.
I gather he is unemployed – could it be mental disability when one considers the number of different fantasies he openly substcribes to though unwilling to put his name to most – a measure of his stupidity is he is an avid follower of David Icke!!

DALY, Mark – Mark Daly (BBC) an investigative journalist from the BBC with a string of awards and a reputation for risk taking and going out on limbs for his stories. Showed Robert Green to be thoroughly dishonest on air (see Tony Rogers) showed and proved that Green had done no valid investigation, no duty of care and was little more than a dangerous and dishonest charlatan. The opportunity granted to clear his name of the false accusations levelled at him was Daly’s opportunity to show up Green’s ineptitude & endemic dishonesty, which most clearly he did.

CORR, Jim – Jim Corr a musician of some alleged talent who played keyboard for an Irish band comprising his sisters.
Now using his money, it would seem unwisely, to make a name for himself in the field of conspiracy theories – not surprisingly very little analytical judgement and seems to support any kook story that comes along, as with Condensation Trails from planes and now the ‘STORIES’ surrounding Anne Greig.
His name as a musician seems to carry some weight in other fields!!
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS HE NOW?!

Has he realised he was duped?

DROCKTON, Paul – Paul Drockton posts under various identities an aggressive, unbalanced gutter broadcaster in America beset with hatred and obsessed by sexuality, conspiracy and the Mormon Church an abuser and bully – no gutter too ordurous for his sick pleasure and delinquent interest in abuse! – astonishingly he clearly brings Jeff Rense into disrepute with his vile and vindictive self interest.
No sleaze too great to invent for him to raise his ‘Click Rate’ on his witless, charmless bedroom broadcasting. Derives income frtom selling investment tips, advertising and acting as >Click Bait< for questionable advertisers.

ELLIS, James – James Ellis  was clearly very much a key player for Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ fronting the Facebook site with Paul Phillips, he increasingly realised he had been duped and eventually withdrew issuing an apology in detail to anyone he had, in good faith, conned into believing this fantasy but let us leave it to his own words CLICK HERE

FOX, Sandra – Sandra Fox  (is known as SANDIE Fox rather than Sandra) a rather sad case – a single mother with heavily medicated depression and a sad self image, into self mutilation. Openly stated not to believe in the ‘STORIES’ but as a founder of a FaceBook site which clearly states it is not interested in the truth or facts but supports Hollie Greig! – how sick is that level of morality for a woman allowed to bring up children on her own, aided by the state!
DEVOTEE OF MULTIPLE IDENTITIES, MOST OR ALL OF WHICH WERE TRANSPARENT, FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING MISCHIEVOUS ACTS, AGAIN ALL OF WHICH WERE OBVIOUS TO THE INTELLIGENT NAKED EYE!
NO DOUBT WAS SWEPT AWAY WITH THE CELEBRITY STATUS OF HOSTING THE NOW DEFUNCT JUSTICE FOR HOLLIE GROUP.
IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT PROOF IS AVAILABLE OF HER BEING LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEMISE OF THE ORIGINAL LARGE GROUP.

GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS SHE NOW?!

Has she realised she was duped?

GEORGE, Tom – Tom George was clearly very much a key player for Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ who increasingly realised he had been duped, despite his extensive experience of dealing with Social Services, Social Injustice & Mental Health and eventually withdrew issuing an apology in detail to anyone he had, in good faith, conned into believing this fantasy but let us leave it to his own words CLICK HERE
“I find it utterly reprehensible that this fantasy circus has been allowed to escalate as it has by the English and Scottish authorities over the past year and people like myself, Paul Phillips and Greg Lance-Watkins have been subjected to the most horrendous public abuse, vilification and general bile for merely stating we were deviously duped by Green and got it wrong.  Greg Lance-Watkins continues to get death threats and this has got to stop immediately.” [Tom George, June 2010]

GERRISH, Brian – Brian Gerrish of The UK Column a Conspiracy comic using the story to promote sales/circulation and create a suppliment to his Navy pension, a hunted, haunted and paranoid little man with no sense of honour or integrity.
Loudly proclaims his so called christianity as a cover for his venal persuit of self interest.
As with many such Snake Oil salesmen he is very plausible glossing over difficult FACTS to build a tissue of conspiracies – his shoddy approach to the TRUTH undermines such credibility he may otherwise have deserved – utterly untrustworthy.
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS HE NOW?!

Has he realised he was duped?

GRAHAM, John – John Graham hides his idiotic gullibility, having fallen for almost every conspiracy theory he can find he passes himself off as ‘Butlin Cat’ his real name is John GRAHAM but obviously he is rather embarrassed by his idiocy and hides his identity.
His various web sites are a hoot with his childish gullibility laid out for all to see – including his having swallowed every scrap of fantasy about Hollie Greig, meanwhile sabotaging his own irritating and endless silly letters by ensuring he includes clearly foolish comments that undermine his posturings..

GREIG, Anne – Anne Greig – a lady with escalating ‘problems’ of paranoia and seemingly some issue similar to Munchausen by Proxy – problems that seem to have escalated since the untimely death of her Father when she was 11 and exacerbated by sadness and anger at the birth of so challenged a daughter who has been a 24/7 occupation/involvement/challenge for 30 years.
Now since 01-Jun-2010 placed under a protection order by The High Court to protect her from further exploitation by many on this list.

GREIG, Hollie – Hollie Greig – the ultimate victim in this scam – a Down’s Syndrome patient with various complications, born in 1979 – fortunately due to a mental age estimated at 3.1/2 in some issues but clearly well under 10 has no idea of what is happening and sees herself as ‘getting lots of attention’.
Now since 01-Jun-2010 placed under a protection order by The High Court to protect her from further exploitation and abuse by those, mostly on this list!

GREEN, Robert – Robert Green of Warrington Cheshire currently on bail under a charge of Breach of the Peace – the closest under Scottish Law to Criminal Irresponsibility & Harrassment it seems.
A liar, clearly willing to say or do anything to buy notoriety.
A menace to the good function of society – the adult leading the gullible and mentally damaged.
A classic Snake Oil Salesman – a grain of truth goes a very long way in a fiction!
Currently on Bail pending Trial in The Courts, currently working on increasing his sentence!

ICKE, David – David Icke – a liar, self publicist, charlatan, bully, abuser exploiting the gullible, the simple and the down right idiotic to create a comfortable life style and unwarranted income stream from his fantasies and dishonesty – a large following of fools and inadequates.
Dangerous in his half truths and endemic dishonesty.
A menace to the good function of society – the adult leading the gullible and mentally damaged.
A classic Snake Oil Salesman – a grain of truth goes a very long way in a fiction!

INNOCENT VOICES  see also MUIR, Maria, O’DONNELL, Hazel & MULHOLLAND, Isobelle – a web site with a pretence to aid genuine cases of abuse yet with a total disregard for some instances of abuse and no rigor in establishing facts.
More akin to extreme feminism of the Animal Farm variet – 4 legs Good 2 legs bad with blind disregard for the truth.
Seemingly bought loyalty by George McKENDRICK’s ‘donations’! I believe they have destroyed their credibility by seemingly prostituting themselves to such a low life.
Likened by one fool to ‘Mother Teresa’ where similarity ends at their sharing a blind faith and setting no store by fact or evidence it seems!
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE ARE THEY NOW?!

Have they realised they was duped?

KENNEDY, Brian – Brian KENNEDY a strange individual a multi millionaire who initially supported and funded the the McCanns anonymously now places himself firmly on their side in staying out of The Courts, believed to fund their lawyers and thus one would imagine acting criminally after the event as clearly the McCanns have done much to cover up their undeniable guilt in this particularly straightforward sad case for more details CLICK HERE .
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS HE NOW?!

Has he realised he was duped?

KOOB, Sarah – Sarah Koob  A claimed American of much mouth and little brain – seems all too similar to Paul DROCKTON not to consider as a clone/false ID.
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS SHE NOW?!
Has she realised she was duped?

LOUDON, Lorraine – Lorraine Loudon of Glasgow a neophyte of McKendrick. Wrote a particularly vituperative letter to me but was embarrassed by the fact that she could not substantiate a single fact and having been showing off to a large mailing list and when challenged lacked the morality to apologise or the ability to respond – hence some call her Lorraine Loudmouth.
Particularly low self image as shown by pictures she posts of herself on the internet as a low life. I see having substituted her obscene gestures when clearly under the influence of drugs she now seems to emulate the Trout pout of a non celeb. Botox Failures!

MALONEY, Bill & Maria – Maria & Bill Maloney Producer of ‘Pie & Mash’ videos – sadly they seem dependent on his gratuitous use of foul language, largely undermining their credibility, where he presents himself as the professional victim and clearly seeking a role in life – Association with the ‘STORIES’ of Anne Greig and Robert Green leads one to wonder if his other claims are as bereft of facts and evidence of any validity.

MALPAS, Paul – Paul Malpas a multi millionaire reclamation and recycling rubbish handler with a turnover of over £10M a year and profitability of over 10% runs a blog from the west of Ireland somewhere which seems equally to recycle garbage but with less attention to detail and accuracy than the scrap and garbage he makes his fortune in.
Has taken an interest in Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ but has clearly checked no facts & makes a fool of himself as a result more garbage it seems CLICK HERE!. Some extra snippets CLICK HERE.
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS HE NOW?!

Has he realised he was duped?

McFERRAN, Ian – Ian McFerran his icon is of a creepy chappie in a dressing gown posing in a seedy flat, but unlikely to be him.
He claims to have been in the prison service but at which end is a ponderable! An outspoken poseure with a strident and accusatory manner unlikely to help anyone and all too unlikely to gain the aimed for support from authorities.
Prone to making a complete fool of himself by failing to check his facts and by low grade defamation.
Responds self importantly with glee, incited to ever more Pooteresque posturing in the reflected glory of the addulation from the gullible of the gutter.
Terribly pleased with himself but has to date not established a single fact or detail of consequence – endless reitteration, largely unrelated to the claims of sexual abuse!

McKENDRICK, George – George McKendrick a foul mouthed ignorant Glaswegian an untrustworthy, dishonourable and viciously obsessive, posts under false names Pitch, John Paul, Ren Ault, Pitch Fork, Gweegy and others.
Post after post in support of himself can be found on web sites with little or no stimulation! Likely to find himself back in hospital with a breakdown if not helped soon as he makes a monstrous fool of himself, egged on by his ego and the flattery of fools.
A vicious, vituperative and poisonous small minded excrecence with the morality of the gutter and a clearly perverse interest in abuse.
Intimated, by some who have known him and his sister and brother for many years, to be a deeply disturbed individual most probably an outcome of both genetics where he is closely associated by some with his brother who is self declared bi-polar and frequently manic – this genetic link may explain why George McKendrick is so disturbed, seeking revenge for the abusive bullying of his father and his guilt in regard to his debts to and abuse of his brother.
Much of this folly seems fueled as an extension of some crazy mental health, care in the community program, in Scotland!

McKENZIE, Belinda – Belinda McKenzie  a sad woman who takes on board almost any cause she can grasp – seemingly checks no details, and is willing to publish outright lies as facts, rather than make any effort to check her details – clearly utterly irresponsible and thus with no self respect and no reputation is used as a platform for and by the corrupt – either incredibly gullible, incredibly stupid or just vile by nature.

McLAREN, Lesley – Lesley McLaren a consumate Scottish artist who was a committed supporter originally, but withdrew when she realised it was a fabrication.
Subsequently battered and abused on the internet by some of the more disturbed proponents and then defaulted on by George McKendrick who reneged on a contract to buy a picture of hers; on sale in a Gallery which he maliciously named, as with the artist.
Currently in hospital after emergency admissions with Pancreatitus and Gall Bladder faults – consequential surgery on 30-Sep-2010.
We wish her a speedy and full recovery.
Whilst convalescing from surgery some evil supporters of the abuse of Hollie Greig cloned her ID to misrepresent her.

McLAUGHLAN, Niccola – Niccola McLaughlan a social attendee at various rallies clearly a damaged and gullible individual with little grasp of the facts. One of the more odious neophytes of the thoroughly shamefull McKendrick

McLEOD, Sarah – Sarah McLeod A Paul Drockton fan even before the ‘STORIES’ started!! Fan of Stuart Usher! Probably a strong believer in St. Jude!!

McSPORAN, Shona – Shona McSporan a fake name see STEVENS, Mary

MILNE, Steven – Steven Milne seeking personal attention with issues of his own, also posts under the fake name of John Taylor and no doubt others.
Has several blogs desperately trying to defame me, presumably for exposing his dishonesty and corruption. Laterly has started a blog in the pretence of being Robert GREEN – posting in his name!
Would seemingly have a hatred of Scotland and the rule of law, ever willing to debase and defame both.

MUIR, Maria – Maria MUIR  see also Innocent Voices. Blows in the wind and clearly easily influenced was a supporter of the ‘STORIES’ but realised there was no valid evidence and was particularly derisory about the gullible followers of the fantasy, but later duped into support – a neophite of George McKendrick with a poor command of the English language and the ethics to match.
Changed her views when paid £500 (a donation) by George McKendrick, she took exception to it being pointed out that it did seem she had prostituted her principles such as she seemed to have!
GONE VERY QUIET – WHERE IS SHE NOW?!

Has she realised she was duped?

MULHOLLAND, Isobelle – Isobelle Mulholland One of the members of Innocent Voices!

NELSON, Gabe – Gabe Nelson an Irishman with his own business who having at first fallen for the ‘STORIES’ subsequently realising he had been duped set up a Facebook site to openly and freely discuss the facts in detail to ascertain the truth but the likes of Matt Quinn, George McKendrick, Stephen Milne, Paul Drockton, Lorraine Loudon, and others in their own and assumed names were determined to prevent discussion of facts as clearly that would destroy their dishonest scam. Eventually permitted the site to die after trying to fend off these lies and liars.
On 10-Oct-2010 rather lost the plot having, it seems, been duped by various evil individuals and the dishonest creation of a false account – Sadly went unacceptably OTT in his misguided tantrum.

NOAKES, David – David Noakes CLICK HERE David originally put Anne Greig in touch with me in the knowledge of my track record and contacts – Knowing that I would seek out the truth and ensure all that I could do I would, to obtain Justice.
David was unaware that the ‘STORIES’ were ‘unsound’.

O’DONNELL, Hazel – Hazel O’Donnell One of the members of Innocent Voices!

PABS – Pabs Diabs – an internet identity of Paul Phillips.

PHILLIPS, Paul – Paul Phillips see also ‘Pabs’ The co founder of the FaceBook site that attracted 27,000 clickers. Was originally duped but made a public apology for having been duped and having in good faith misled others. Best  explained in his own words CLICK HERE and HERE also HERE

QUINN, Matt – Matt Quinn posts under several names, an aggressive emotional cripple with a huge and sick chip on his shoulder.
Poor Matt Quinn has for years sought out individuals he could show off attacking, on the internet, to gain notice for himself – duplicitous, cunning and obsessive, using his own name and others.
An occasional teacher at Stow College.
Locked in a cupboard this sad inadequate would pick a fight with the shelf above to prove his importance, to himself, a deeply disturbed little man who seems to believe that defaming and denigrating others elevates his own status, rather than showing the can of worms that is clearly his mind he lives in, not realising just how sick he is and how transparently – needs help.
Has to date written about 100 blogs endlessly and tediously doing rewrites of his fantasies about me – he is clearly as mad as a stoat! His obsessive filth without any consequential facts and clearly no purpose beyond trying to denigrate me to seem clever himself, does nothing more than expose his stunning obsessive nature and turgid pedantry – An individual I would not be remotely surprised to read of having finally gone right over the edge and committed some attrocity.
It is fortunate he has picked on me this time, where he fails to be of any consequence whatever – merely providing me with additional reasons to highlight the dishonesty of the STORIES Robert Green etc. are trying to promote.
Further details at: CLICK HERE
& a major update of facts CLICK HERE

RACCOON, Anna – Anna Raccoon is a nom de plume used by a well known and competent Blogger of long standing who writes a blog on a wide ranging and interesting selection of subjects. A blog which is widely recognised as a model in its wit, perceptive and incisive analyses and unfailing accuracy.
The author is a retired professional lady from Britain, now living in France.
Recently won an accolade from WikiBlogs for the quality of her output.
So abused and bullied by the Evil group seeking personal gain exploiting the fantasies surrounding Hollie Greig that she was denied ANY concept of Free Speech and was forced to quit her blog – an action that has exposed just how Evil the abusers are to a VERY wide range of some of the top bloggers in the world.
Anna’s error was to lay out the FACTS and show there was a dirth of admissible evidence making the ‘STORIES’ clearly inadequate for presentation in Court or even plausible.

ROBINSON, Mike – Mike Robinson a poorly informed conspiracy theorist and fantasist, writes for the UK Column, a limited circulation free conspiracy comic pandering to the gullible and the gutter.

ROGERS, Tony – Tony Rogers (Ledgend) of Manchester Radio who from featuring Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ and Robert Green’s plausibility took dramatic steps to disassociate himself once he heard intelligent, reasoned rebuttal and Robert Green’s complete inability to redeem the situation on air – it became clear to him that the entire scherade was unsustainable.

STEVEN, Mary – Mary Steven  see alias McSporan – latched on to Stuart Usher lost her belief in the ‘STORIES’ but seems unable to act with any conviction either way and fails to make efforts to expose the scam nor does she seek to clear the names of the defamed despite the clarity of her conviction that the ‘STORIES’ are unsupported.

TAYLOR, John – John Taylor – a fraudulent name: see MILNE, Steven

UK Column A risible excercise in self promotion – started out OK together with The Westminster News written and edited by David Noakes CLICK HERE Now sadly seized by Brian Gerrish it has become little more than a vehicle for his personal Conspiracy Theories, with little concern for evidence and to my certain knowledge no interest in facts or the truth as long as he can intimidate his critics and use a following of the gullible as his Rottweillers – a small distribution to justify a bit of advertising and donations.
The UK Column is a limited circulation free conspiracy comic pandering to the gullible and the gutter in support of Brian Gerrish’s dellusional paranoia.

USHER, Stuart – Stuart Usher a sad figure who has, it seems, many years ago all but abandoned his family to make something of a fool of himself seeking to redeem wrongs of property of yesteryear! Lays claim to having been swindled in previous generations and losing out on inheritted wealth that would never have come his way! Has turned this into a career as a campaigner, never missing an opportunity to defame Scottish lawyers but equally never providing adequate provenance of his claims.
If the gullibility of his stupidity is genetic it is little wonder his family lost their land a generation ago!
There is only one more step and that would seem to be a sandwich board proclaiming ‘the end is nigh’!
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Sadly as time has progressed and more and more Facts have come to light the dirth of evidence substantiating the ‘STORIES’ surrounding Hollie Greig has become ever more apparent.

It is my personal opinion that, having studied this subject for over 18 months and read every item I have been able to obtain –
There seems to be absolutely NO admissible valid evidence substantiating the sexual abuse of Hollie Greig.

We now learn Hollieis not only a Down’s Syndrome patient but has a mental age assessed at around 3.1/2.

It is claimed Hollie can not lie being a Down’s Patient but this is clearly untrue, were the ‘STORIES’ true, as she lied to her mother for a claimed 14 years!

That Hollie’s Mother taking care of her 24/7 and her Doctor etc. failed to be aware from age 6 – 20 that Hollie had been regularly gang raped by adults is no longer plausible to me and it is unsupported by valid admissible evidence or in 2 Police Inquiries and a Police Complaints Procedure CLICK HERE.

I can NOT accept the hypothisis led that over 1,000 people have colluded in a cover-up without a single leak.

I am therefore left with the inescapable conclusion that I was originally duped myself and despite the evidence now made clear there are many dishonest people still promoting what is to me clearly a pack of lies.

It would seem the ‘STORIES’ are the fabrication of her mother in some disturbed state, similar to Munchausen Disease by Proxy & a cross between anger and vengeance.

 

There is also NO evidence that her Brother Roy died by any means other than suicide whilst very drunk CLICK HERE.

 

Regards,

Greg_L-W.

 

PS

these facts are unlikely to prevent the sick minded who can not admit they were duped admitting same and beware anyone who tries to stop their delluded band wagon is likely to be attacked for stating their opinion based upon FACTS.

 

G.L-W.

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It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.
I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.
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